What a nightmare

[tonedef2oo8]

How long before this banana is banned? I say 2-3 months.

[tonedef2oo8]

Originally Posted by 27tinman

I'm curious about one thing-how is the buyer a liar here? The way I read it, the buyer didn't see a scratch in the scans (which the seller also admits to not noticing), but noticed the scratch once he had the card in hand. Unless I'm missing something here, there was no lie involved.....

Apparently the only liar is the op according to his trade partner. But I’m not surprised this guy who is itrader measuring is a liar it’s in the fraudster / scammer playbook.

[Soxfanguy]

Originally Posted by chezball

One hasn't lived until you get endorsed by SFG.

That is true

[Soxfanguy]

Hey what’s your eBay by chance OP?

[rustywest]

Man, it stinks when sellers don't disclose 'obvious in hand' defects. Its even worse when sellers are rude, abrasive and refuse to compromise for a unhappy customer. OP seems to be from the Jerk Store...

I often ask sellers via PM if there are any obvious defects, specifically surface issues as it can be very difficult to assess in scans. Condition assessed in hand rules over any scan so if they can't be bothered and say I don't have the time or the worst but most common 'I'm not a grader,' I just suck it up and pass on the item.

[glen87]

Originally Posted by rustywest

Man, it stinks when sellers don't disclose 'obvious in hand' defects. Its even worse when sellers are rude, abrasive and refuse to compromise for a unhappy customer. OP seems to be from the Jerk Store...

I often ask sellers via PM if there are any obvious defects, specifically surface issues as it can be very difficult to assess in scans. Condition assessed in hand rules over any scan so if they can't be bothered and say I don't have the time or the worst but most common 'I'm not a grader,' I just suck it up and pass on the item.

they can only disclose the damage if they are aware of it. it is asking just way too much from a seller for them to actually take the card out of a dirty scratched up top loader and examine it before putting it up for sale. who has that much time when trying to make money.

if they are unaware of it, no harm no foul - you get what you get.

[wegoingsizzler]

Have been away from this forum for awhile now...and saw this and had to comment on this... It is very common for a seller to miss out on a minor flaw on a card..this happens to me a few times... For those incidents, I kindly tell the customer that I will provide a full refund and get my card back... no proof is even necessary...

Why is it so hard for you to accept a return when you see the flaw after your customer points it out to you? This is just sad... I can understand you made a mistake not seeing the flaw, but once you agreed there was one, it should be automatically returned and refunded... simple as that...

[SamAxe51]

Originally Posted by wegoingsizzler

Have been away from this forum for awhile now...and saw this and had to comment on this... It is very common for a seller to miss out on a minor flaw on a card..this happens to me a few times... For those incidents, I kindly tell the customer that I will provide a full refund and get my card back... no proof is even necessary...

Why is it so hard for you to accept a return when you see the flaw after your customer points it out to you? This is just sad... I can understand you made a mistake not seeing the flaw, but once you agreed there was one, it should be automatically returned and refunded... simple as that...

Yep, and if your policy is "no returns accepted"... that should be stated before you accept a sale.

All that crap over $115.

[oaklandasfan]

Originally Posted by mjtobias

What is wrong with you? I have done nothing to firstly, be called out in this section, secondly, to be called a "piece of s***" in our direct messages, and thirdly, to be called a liar.

Whoever is reading this now, please take a look at the the Pete Alonso autograph card. If you look closely, there is a scratch that runs down the card (from his helmet, past his right elbow, and down around his signature. It's more noticeable in person). There clearly is a scratch on the card.

Per our messages, I asked for a return because I wasn't made aware of the scratch. I'm not a picky guy as to the condition of cards. I'm not going to ask "oh, how's this corner, how's that corner", and such. I didn't blame the seller for not pointing out the scratch too, because maybe honestly he just didn't see it. So, I ask if I can please return the cards, but he refused numerous times and said our "business is concluded". So I file with PayPal citing that I didn't receive the item in mint condition. PayPal sided with the seller because the seller didn't mention anything in the thread that the cards are in mint condition. Seriously?

Within minutes after receiving the PayPal notification this morning, he leaves me a neutral iTrader calling me a liar and then messages me again calling me a liar and that I deserve a negative. Really??

I've been in contact with the mods as well.

Again, I've done nothing to deserve this.

Cry baby wa wa

[free2131]

Originally Posted by oaklandasfan

Cry baby wa wa

Might wanna read the whole thread. OP was in the wrong here.

[shrevecity]

Saw the neutral the OP left for the buyer got removed. So that is good news. Now if they could just force the OP to do the refund.

[CollectorMan]

[tonedef2oo8]

Originally Posted by CollectorMan

Thank you for the wonderful advice and near complete worded and obviously emotional post. I wish you and your 17k posts in seven years and 25 transactions of expertise well. Looking forward to your ramblings for many years to come because....what else would you do?

Hey guys look a loser using the scammer handbook swearing he’s not a scammer.

How many times have we seen this now?

[CollectorMan]

This is the last I'm gonna say something about this entire stupid situation.

It's a freaking card. I didn't deceive anyone. He received the exact card that I advertised. I don't give any S's about grades or what people do with the cards after they purchase from me.

I expect people to look at my items and make a decision for themselves. I don't really do grades because I think it's freaking stupid. My opinion. If one of my buyers gets a Gem Mint 10 after buying one of my cards good for them, I don't care. I didn't look super closely at the card because I just don't believe in that garbage. I pulled it, sleeved it, scanned it and put it away until I sold it. I wasn't deceiving anything.

I think the entire grading industry is a scam to begin with. I don't care that I've just said that. The entire grading industry is a freaking scam, to make a small percentage of people rich. Very small. If you don't know someone in the industry or are a preferred customer, you won't be getting that big money grade.

Just like idiots that buy the lotto tickets hoping to win the million dollar jackpot. It's not happening. Ever wonder why you never pull the 1/1 auto of the big name hype prospect after buyer a couple of cases?....Yeah I won't even get into that because it will hurt the delicate sensibilities of a few prospectors here and buddies at card companies. Back Door....Buyers group...cough cough. Seems legit.

What I also find funny after getting only my 2nd paypal claim on me in many many years, ......

(First was Prospect Rush.....Btw, I sent many before he was OG 2011 Trouts in that lot because PR asked for Angels among the teams he wanted but whatever...I'm bad. How did that work out Blowout know it alls?)

.....that not only did Paypal side with me because I haven't done anything wrong, but this perfect buyer that everyone is siding with against me changed his claim reason on March 18 to "The Buyer stated that they did not make this purchase." which IS A LIE. Yeah, paypal sided with me once again, but yeah guess I'm a bad guy for sending the exact RAW card that I was selling.

I also made a deal way expensive deal right after this, and funny enough..my customer seemed to be happy as I sent the exact items I pictured just like the hundreds of others I've dealt with.

Hate me all you want for my mouth, but I fulfilled my end of this deal and was attacked once again by the peanut gallery of Blowout arguing over the tiny details of a sports cards while simultaneously bashing the same companies responsible for giving those ohh so important grades....

I still didn't do anything wrong, but cool, all of you freaking hate me here now like last time. COOL. About what I could expect from this place, but I'm good with it and will have no factor on my life at all.

If this stuff going on right now gets really bad, cards have literally zero importance.

ZERO.

Way more important things going on in the world right now.

I do have hope though, and wish for the health and safety of everyone's family in the coming weeks. Stop worrying about stupid cards.

Stay safe

[CollectorMan]

Originally Posted by tonedef2oo8

Hey guys look a loser using the scammer handbook swearing he’s not a scammer.

How many times have we seen this now?

You've been here for over ten years and have done ZERO deals. Your opinion is moot on any business transaction. I didn't scam anyone. Thanks though.

[amex]

Was paypal done fnf style?

[rcearley]

Originally Posted by CollectorMan

This is the last I'm gonna say something about this entire stupid situation.

It's a freaking card. I didn't deceive anyone. He received the exact card that I advertised. I don't give any S's about grades or what people do with the cards after they purchase from me.

I expect people to look at my items and make a decision for themselves. I don't really do grades because I think it's freaking stupid. My opinion. If one of my buyers gets a Gem Mint 10 after buying one of my cards good for them, I don't care. I didn't look super closely at the card because I just don't believe in that garbage. I pulled it, sleeved it, scanned it and put it away until I sold it. I wasn't deceiving anything.

I think the entire grading industry is a scam to begin with. I don't care that I've just said that. The entire grading industry is a freaking scam, to make a small percentage of people rich. Very small. If you don't know someone in the industry or are a preferred customer, you won't be getting that big money grade.

Just like idiots that buy the lotto tickets hoping to win the million dollar jackpot. It's not happening. Ever wonder why you never pull the 1/1 auto of the big name hype prospect after buyer a couple of cases?....Yeah I won't even get into that because it will hurt the delicate sensibilities of a few prospectors here and buddies at card companies. Back Door....Buyers group...cough cough. Seems legit.

What I also find funny after getting only my 2nd paypal claim on me in many many years, ......

(First was Prospect Rush.....Btw, I sent many before he was OG 2011 Trouts in that lot because PR asked for Angels among the teams he wanted but whatever...I'm bad. How did that work out Blowout know it alls?)

.....that not only did Paypal side with me because I haven't done anything wrong, but this perfect buyer that everyone is siding with against me changed his claim reason on March 18 to "The Buyer stated that they did not make this purchase." which IS A LIE. Yeah, paypal sided with me once again, but yeah guess I'm a bad guy for sending the exact RAW card that I was selling.

I also made a deal way expensive deal right after this, and funny enough..my customer seemed to be happy as I sent the exact items I pictured just like the hundreds of others I've dealt with.

Hate me all you want for my mouth, but I fulfilled my end of this deal and was attacked once again by the peanut gallery of Blowout arguing over the tiny details of a sports cards while simultaneously bashing the same companies responsible for giving those ohh so important grades....

I still didn't do anything wrong, but cool, all of you freaking hate me here now like last time. COOL. About what I could expect from this place, but I'm good with it and will have no factor on my life at all.

If this stuff going on right now gets really bad, cards have literally zero importance.

ZERO.

Way more important things going on in the world right now.

I do have hope though, and wish for the health and safety of everyone's family in the coming weeks. Stop worrying about stupid cards.

Stay safe

Interesting read

[shrevecity]

Originally Posted by CollectorMan

You've been here for over ten years and have done ZERO deals. Your opinion is moot on any business transaction. I didn't scam anyone. Thanks though.

Zero feedback does not mean zero deals. Could be he has told people not to leave feedback. He was going back to what I said way back and what others said as well. Those who try to bring Itrader in as a measuring stick usually turn out to be scammers. Its just a number it means very little. We have seen members here with thousands of good feedback turn to scum on many occasions. On Ebay some of the worst buyers and sellers have thousands of feedback. Many sellers will tell you they have more issues from "experienced" buyers than new ones. I get more non-payers from buyers with thousands of feedback. It has very little meaning. But if it makes you feel good and gives you something to stroke then be proud of your virtual attaboy. This thread hurts you far worse and likely puts you on a short lifeline here.

[Soxrule111]

Dang it, he said stay safe, and not God Bless

[CollectorMan]

Originally Posted by shrevecity

Zero feedback does not mean zero deals. Could be he has told people not to leave feedback. He was going back to what I said way back and what others said as well. Those who try to bring Itrader in as a measuring stick usually turn out to be scammers. Its just a number it means very little. We have seen members here with thousands of good feedback turn to scum on many occasions. On Ebay some of the worst buyers and sellers have thousands of feedback. Many sellers will tell you they have more issues from "experienced" buyers than new ones. I get more non-payers from buyers with thousands of feedback. It has very little meaning. But if it makes you feel good and gives you something to stroke then be proud of your virtual attaboy. This thread hurts you far worse and likely puts you on a short lifeline here.

Riiiight. What ever will I do with my time? You mean the ever shrinking community of guys obsessing over tiny marks on ball cards?

If you think I'm worried about my standing with people like you, you are very mistaken. My customers will get exactly what is shown as they always have. Which is exactly what happened here.

Btw expert feel free to post your eBay ID at any point so we can see your countless perfect transactions that you always claim. Otherwise zip it. Your always forced opinion here is about as welcome as a rectal exam. Nobody asked for it unless they have a problem, then you just want it to be over. Crawl back into your hole until someone else doesn't ask for your opinion on something. Or better yet don't offer it, it's irrelevant to me.

I honestly don't want to be nasty but you never let up. I was right on my business transaction that you were not involved in where you advised my buyer to lie and get his money back. He in fact changed his claim and lied and lost a 2nd time. So yeah that did not work. I delivered exactly what I promised to, if that makes me the bad guy to you and some others....SO BE IT.

STAY SAFE and GOD BLESS(for the peanut gallery trolls)

*drops mic*

[amex]

Second time asking. Was the paypal payment done fnf style?

[shrevecity]

Originally Posted by CollectorMan

Riiiight. What ever will I do with my time? You mean the ever shrinking community of guys obsessing over tiny marks on ball cards?

If you think I'm worried about my standing with people like you, you are very mistaken. My customers will get exactly what is shown as they always have. Which is exactly what happened here.

Btw expert feel free to post your eBay ID at any point so we can see your countless perfect transactions that you always claim. Otherwise zip it. Your always forced opinion here is about as welcome as a rectal exam. Nobody asked for it unless they have a problem, then you just want it to be over. Crawl back into your hole until someone else doesn't ask for your opinion on something. Or better yet don't offer it, it's irrelevant to me.

I honestly don't want to be nasty but you never let up. I was right on my business transaction that you were not involved in where you advised my buyer to lie and get his money back. He in fact changed his claim and lied and lost a 2nd time. So yeah that did not work. I delivered exactly what I promised to, if that makes me the bad guy to you and some others....SO BE IT.

STAY SAFE and GOD BLESS(for the peanut gallery trolls)

*drops mic*

Poor thing still playing the victim.. Look around I am not the only one calling you out on this.

So why was the neutral you left removed but the neg for your left? That speaks volumes about everything.

[amex]

From his avoiding the question repeatedly, I'm thinking this transaction was paid via friends and family method. If so, OP is claiming some huge moral victory when he probably requested said method because he was selling a card with known problems. I'm sure OP was fully aware that it's basically impossible for a buyer to have it turned over regardless of the circumstances. Scammers love offering discounts to lure folks into the friends and family trap because there is ZERO PROTECTION for the buyer.

If I recall correctly, weren't you white-knighting in the original post about how great of a guy you were by offering him a $20 discount? Did that $20 discount come with the stipulation of paying via the FnF method "to save you both some money"? If so and coupled with his gloating that he "won" the unloseable paypal case paints a pretty clear picture of what really happened here. As for the buyer, under the FnF option, his only recourse to even remotely have the possibility of being refunded would be forced to choose "unauthorized" charge, which is what you said he did, right? You then turned it around on him by calling him a liar when you trapped him into a corner with no other option. The final go to in the scammers handbook? Play the victim card.

Is this what transpired, guys? If so, even Ray Charles could see how much of a set up this was from the start.

And if it wasn't, just the sellers premise of "I don't usually sell cards, I took a pic, didn't really look at what I was offering, nor provide an accurate description, it's the buyers responsibility to judge from the crappy pictures I used and it's his problem now" is used car salesmen'esque enough in and of its self.

**picks up the mic and disposes of it so OP can't try to sell the busted mic**

[mc1]

Originally Posted by CollectorMan

You've been here for over ten years and have done ZERO deals. Your opinion is moot on any business transaction. I didn't scam anyone. Thanks though.

Who made you king?

I didnt know this was the only place one could make trades or deals. Interesting.

[hxcmilkshake]

Originally Posted by CollectorMan

Riiiight. What ever will I do with my time? You mean the ever shrinking community of guys obsessing over tiny marks on ball cards?



If you think I'm worried about my standing with people like you, you are very mistaken. My customers will get exactly what is shown as they always have. Which is exactly what happened here.



Btw expert feel free to post your eBay ID at any point so we can see your countless perfect transactions that you always claim. Otherwise zip it. Your always forced opinion here is about as welcome as a rectal exam. Nobody asked for it unless they have a problem, then you just want it to be over. Crawl back into your hole until someone else doesn't ask for your opinion on something. Or better yet don't offer it, it's irrelevant to me.



I honestly don't want to be nasty but you never let up. I was right on my business transaction that you were not involved in where you advised my buyer to lie and get his money back. He in fact changed his claim and lied and lost a 2nd time. So yeah that did not work. I delivered exactly what I promised to, if that makes me the bad guy to you and some others....SO BE IT.



STAY SAFE and GOD BLESS(for the peanut gallery trolls)



*drops mic*

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