Potential Worth of Soccer Cards as Market Grows

[Akphillips86]

Originally Posted by k13

Topps chrome parallels of star players are pennies compared to prizm.

A messi /25 sold for $60

Prizm is still solid, no arguments there. That
sale was on a 2018-19 orange. The 2017-18 colored refractors have seen a considerable bump recently and I think they will keep gaining ground.


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[ColoradoSkiGuy]

Hey all,

Big Mbappe collector here since the World Cup in 2018 so I've enjoyed reading the threads. Like many of you, my jaw is on the floor as I look at the price movement over the last 3-4 months. Truly breathtaking. Kinda starting to remind me to bitcoin's parabolic move a couple years ago. If there is anything that price action taught me it's that once this momentum begins it can go much further than you ever imagine. Eventually it will peak and fall back but even the fall back prices will be remain extremely elevated...

Anyways, wanted to get your guys thoughts on some things that is related to soccer but could also be related to other sports...

What are the chances that we see some of the following shifts start to occur in the hobby? To be clear, these won't happen overnight but I'm curious your thoughts...

1.) Cards from years' where a player had a truly excellent year excelling beyond similar cards from years that weren't necessarily career defining. In most cases, obviously the rookie card would still exceed all... however think about the draw to Mbappe's World Cup Prizm card. Is it possible that it has incredible staying power as a "rookie card" because not only are soccer rookies hard to discern but he really put himself on the map during that tournament? So the card is from a truly pivotal turning point in his career which could make the "rookie card" debate more complicated going forward. I could see the market, over time, developing in order to separate the wheat from the chaff in the same way serial numbering did after the crash in the '90's.

2.) I think we might see something similar with auto's and game used materials. The first issued auto or the first issued jersey card becomes the sought after one. The market is eventually going to sort out the flood of game-used materials on the market for each player. I mean by the time Mbappe is 35, the market will be drowned in jersey cards. I think we will see the market try to sort this stuff out in time. The same goes for autos, although autos clearly have more staying more than do game used materials type cards.

My last thought on the Mbappe market is regarding his "true" rookie cards/sticker. While the market might settle on one specific card (or a few debated cards), all the other 2017-18 issues are going to rise substantially along with them. They won't trail by as much as some might think when compared to his "true rookie" cards simply because many will be priced out of the market for the "true rookie" cards and there will be tons of money that sloshes around to the other 2017-18 issues. And let's be honest, the fact that it is so debatable also makes this possibility far more likely than you might imagine.

My two cents.

[Raj3sh]

Originally Posted by k13

Topps chrome parallels of star players are pennies compared to prizm.

A messi /25 sold for $60

i was buying them for those prices a while back, like an orange for 30$ gold for 25$ and green, purple and blue for 10-15$ each( messi and ronaldo).

But i can see a spike in the prices for the last few weeks. Like they have just quadrupled.

[IndySportsCards]

For as hard as his Select rookie is to pull, I would think it'd be worth more than $40 - Guess people don't like it as much compared to others.

[Nobody0211]

Its crazy looking back a couple weeks at some of the Mbappe cards for sale. You could have gotten them for around $30 per prizm. I just bought 1 prizm and 1 chrome last night.

[k13]

Originally Posted by Nobody0211

Its crazy looking back a couple weeks at some of the Mbappe cards for sale. You could have gotten them for around $30 per prizm. I just bought 1 prizm and 1 chrome last night.

You'll be able to get them cheaper in the future at some point.

Select Messi tie-dyes used to sell for $600....yes...
Maybe one day theyll be that again....

[k13]

World cup/euro prizm will always be very sought after as a player will only have so many of them and in some case only one.

Look at Peru/Hungary players that are nobody selling high.

1st Prizm/WC does have meaning even if not rookie card.

[k13]

I'm sure most here know that Mbappe is being pumped by Garyvee and his followers and not an organic movement.

But lessons will be learned.

[ColoradoSkiGuy]

Originally Posted by k13

I'm sure most here know that Mbappe is being pumped by Garyvee and his followers and not an organic movement.

But lessons will be learned.

And Jordan cards are still being bid up ten years going by a bunch of shill bidders... Nothing substantive to their increase in value.

[Akphillips86]

Originally Posted by ColoradoSkiGuy

And Jordan cards are still being bid up ten years going by a bunch of shill bidders... Nothing substantive to their increase in value.

Mbappe is certainly being helped by Gary Vee, but most of his growth is a result of people simply connecting the dots and forecasting the future. This compounded by the rise in the soccer market as a whole.

The rise in Jordan is due to the documentary that will be aired on ESPN and will cause a virtual frenzy in the market. Jordan’s legacy is beyond well established and his base of collectors is massive. Everyone will remember just how great he really was and a new generation will be introduced to Jordan. All this on top of a world that is starving for sports on TV will equal the perfect storm.

Not every rise in the market is manipulation. That is up to people to decide for themselves, but a lot of naysayers end up missing out and then looking on in silent jealousy of those that saw the storm coming.


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[Raj3sh]

Originally Posted by ColoradoSkiGuy

And Jordan cards are still being bid up ten years going by a bunch of shill bidders... Nothing substantive to their increase in value.

Cant compare jordan with mbappe. Jordan can be compared with pele,maradona,messi or ronaldo.

Mbappe has to play at the highest level for atleast the next 10 years

[cruiserdaddy7]

I think the 17/18 Chrome soccer still has a ton of room to move up. Mbappe color will continue to go up and with base at $50 and refractors $400++ it's almost a no brainer at a little over 200 a box.

[jjeanius]

Originally Posted by IndySportsCards

For as hard as his Select rookie is to pull, I would think it'd be worth more than $40 - Guess people don't like it as much compared to others.

Love Select. Definitely feel it's undervalued - quite possibly a result of the fact that it's SP, and so doesn't surface nearly as often. It will catch up eventually.

[Akphillips86]

Originally Posted by jjeanius

Love Select. Definitely feel it's undervalued - quite possibly a result of the fact that it's SP, and so doesn't surface nearly as often. It will catch up eventually.

Select is a great card that will continue to increase in value, but it will be overshadowed by Topps Chrome and Prizm.

Sometimes sleepers are the best buys though! I will say the horizontal orientation doesn’t help it, but I think the select parallels are a great investment though.


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[Ianhatcher]

I think Select Mbappe is about right to be honest and will stay behind Prizm and Chrome who have shown time and time again to be king in the card hobby world. You can still get Select Hobby at a decent price and the hanger boxes are dirt cheap even if the odds of pulling a Mbappe are not that great. I also know Cy at Soccer Breakers broke over 350 cases of that stuff so there is a lot of product out there and it would seem lots more available compared to Chrome and Prizm Hobby. Also, as I said before people don't like horizontal cards and inserts as rookies but that doesn't mean they won't go up as I believe both are rising just not as much as the Prizm and Chrome stuff.

[cruiserdaddy7]

Originally Posted by Ianhatcher

I think Select Mbappe is about right to be honest and will stay behind Prizm and Chrome who have shown time and time again to be king in the card hobby world. You can still get Select Hobby at a decent price and the hanger boxes are dirt cheap even if the odds of pulling a Mbappe are not that great. I also know Cy at Soccer Breakers broke over 350 cases of that stuff so there is a lot of product out there and it would seem lots more available compared to Chrome and Prizm Hobby. Also, as I said before people don't like horizontal cards and inserts as rookies but that doesn't mean they won't go up as I believe both are rising just not as much as the Prizm and Chrome stuff.

I agree, horizontal will not do nearly as well. We have seen the across other sports.

[GrangerCollectr]

Originally Posted by jjeanius

Love Select. Definitely feel it's undervalued - quite possibly a result of the fact that it's SP, and so doesn't surface nearly as often. It will catch up eventually.

I think I'm with you on this. It's so short printed (I did a case of this a few months back and only hit 1 Mbappe base). Select was the first to come out before Chrome and Prizm plus there is just no color out for sale at all.
I love all 3 and still would pick Topps Chrome as my go to though

[IndySportsCards]

Haaland's Topps Now is on fire!

[Raj3sh]

Originally Posted by IndySportsCards

Haaland's Topps Now is on fire!

isn't it a best offer price? Nowadays ebay doesn't show the actual price.

glad that i picked one up earlier.

[sambruin98]

1. Gary V pumping Mbappe is definitely having an effect, no doubt.
2. If you think Mbappe's price movement is nuts, you haven't been watching the basketball market for the superstars/hot rookies closely enough over the same period
3. The market will most definitely gravitate towards cards representing key moments (e.g., Mbappe's Prizm is his WC 'rookie', but not his true RC), but generally only for the absolute superstars
4. Mbappe has definitely been tabbed by the card market as the heir to CR7 and Messi, so people are trying to get in early. $50 for a Prizm or Chrome may seem crazy, given where they were a couple months ago (or even a couple weeks ago), but I'm sure there are visions of 2013 Prizm Giannis base ($500-$600) and 2003 Topps Chrome Lebron ($800-$1k) if all shakes out. I'll fully admit to having purchased a few Mbappe's to dream on.
5. Anyone else notice that Jadon Sancho's stuff is starting to get a little more expensive than it used to be? Mbappe spillover effect perhaps?

[Akphillips86]

Originally Posted by sambruin98

1. Gary V pumping Mbappe is definitely having an effect, no doubt.
2. If you think Mbappe's price movement is nuts, you haven't been watching the basketball market for the superstars/hot rookies closely enough over the same period
3. The market will most definitely gravitate towards cards representing key moments (e.g., Mbappe's Prizm is his WC 'rookie', but not his true RC), but generally only for the absolute superstars
4. Mbappe has definitely been tabbed by the card market as the heir to CR7 and Messi, so people are trying to get in early. $50 for a Prizm or Chrome may seem crazy, given where they were a couple months ago (or even a couple weeks ago), but I'm sure there are visions of 2013 Prizm Giannis base ($500-$600) and 2003 Topps Chrome Lebron ($800-$1k) if all shakes out. I'll fully admit to having purchased a few Mbappe's to dream on.
5. Anyone else notice that Jadon Sancho's stuff is starting to get a little more expensive than it used to be? Mbappe spillover effect perhaps?

Good points and well articulated. I would posit though that Jadon Sancho’s stuff rising has less to do with Mbappe’s rise and more with the rise of the soccer market in general and Sancho’s insane potential.

Sancho is getting more attention because he is an electrifying player who is displaying a skill set way beyond his years. Also a transfer to a more prestigious club seems inevitable. Sancho isn’t necessarily a successor to CR7 or Messi because he’s not a striker and brings different things to the table. He’s a rare breed that is a human highlight reel.

All this being said, I think both have incredible futures ahead of them and are likely to be the faces of the sport and the hobby for years to come.


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[Raj3sh]

Originally Posted by Akphillips86

Good points and well articulated. I would posit though that Jadon Sancho’s stuff rising has less to do with Mbappe’s rise and more with the rise of the soccer market in general and Sancho’s insane potential.

Sancho is getting more attention because he is an electrifying player who is displaying a skill set way beyond his years. Also a transfer to a more prestigious club seems inevitable. Sancho isn’t necessarily a successor to CR7 or Messi because he’s not a striker and brings different things to the table. He’s a rare breed that is a human highlight reel.

All this being said, I think both have incredible futures ahead of them and are likely to be the faces of the sport and the hobby for years to come.


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Cr7 didnt start as a striker early in his career, be was a winger or a forward. He later moved into the striker position after moving into real madrid from man united. Messi is also not a striker. Mbappe as well as halaand are strikers.

[Akphillips86]

Originally Posted by Raj3sh

Cr7 didnt start as a striker early in his career, be was a winger or a forward. He later moved into the striker position after moving into real madrid from man united. Messi is also not a striker. Mbappe as well as halaand are strikers.

True, large oversight on my part in the post with lumping Messi in as a striker. I think I was just focused on Sancho being a midfielder.

Question though, would you ever move Sancho to striker and give up aspects of his insane ability to create opportunities for others as well as himself? Or would it largely depend on which club he ends up at? Just want to hear your thoughts.


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[Raj3sh]

Originally Posted by Akphillips86

True, large oversight on my part in the post with lumping Messi in as a striker. I think I was just focused on Sancho being a midfielder.

Question though, would you ever move Sancho to striker and give up aspects of his insane ability to create opportunities for others as well as himself? Or would it largely depend on which club he ends up at? Just want to hear your thoughts.


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He is mostly linked with manchester united and since i am manchester united fan, i want him at the club. We are short of a right winger for many years now and he would fit in perfectly there. He is a very creative player and i think he should stay as a winger or a forward as a player like him is always better at creating chances.being a striker will limit that and maybe later in his career he can improvise like ronaldo.

[Clemington]

Observing the high prices that Zion and Luka cards are currently fetching, I believe that Mbappe prices are slightly more justifiable considering the guy already has a WC trophy under his belt being a huge protagonist (which not even the 2 GOATS in the sport have) at his young age and is a more consolidated player in his respective sport that has left his hot prospect status far behind him already. This is a reflection of the soccer card market still being in its infancy compared to the other sports in the hobby, but is quickly catching the attention of other sports collectors and investors which as a result adopting the trends found in other sports such as prospecting and position on-field being a major price variable.

Even though we might have to pay bigger premiums for the cards we like, personally I don't hate the idea as this can lead to the growth in quality of the product as a whole and will have more people talking about it. Coming from a guy whose closest lcs is an hour-drive away and that only carries a box or two of 3 or 4 year old product, the steady market growth is something to be quite excited about.

This also makes me wonder... Griezmann cards are definitely underrated considering the credentials and they get my vote as seeing some growth in the future.