Project 2020

[Cam Brady]

Originally Posted by mwheeler27

I meant base cards that sell for more than their same Silver framed cards. So Ermsy Trout base outselling Ermsy Trout /20.

So far that hasn’t happened that I’m aware of, but it’s got to be getting close with some cards.

If that happens you have to sell.

Name one other product in the history of the hobby where long term the base is worth more than an official numbered parallel version of the base card.

Would you rather have a base 2011 Update Trout or the Target Red Version or the Diamond version.

[The Accountant]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

These cards are shooting up by the hour. None sold for more than $30 until the prices were raised. Then one solf for $50, $59, the auto'd one sold for $199 and blam, all the /99 were sold out.

Yeah, I've never seen anything quite like it.

[Archangel1775]

Anyone else bidding on the Ermsy Trout Autos on eBay?

[badlarrys]

Originally Posted by Cam Brady

If that happens you have to sell.

Name one other product in the history of the hobby where long term the base is worth more than an official numbered parallel version of the base card.

Would you rather have a base 2011 Update Trout or the Target Red Version or the Diamond version.

I think most people want to build complete sets of Artist or Player. Most only need these low PR cards to catch up.

The majority are not even bothering with the AP. I understand AP being numbered, but a cheap frame and Topps writing the #s on it, give me a complete set and an artist auto.

Just my thoughts.

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[kpete42]

Originally Posted by okumeister

I just bought one too.
I wanted to wait until tomorrow when signed Ted Williams cards will probably be available (so that I can save a bit on shipping cost), but didn't want to repeat the same mistake as signed Ichiro, waiting too long just to see the card be sold out.

I debated buying one of the Ichiro/51’s as the aqua ink looked pretty sweet. Debated too long and they were gone.

[Cam Brady]

Originally Posted by badlarrys

I think most people want to build complete sets of Artist or Player. Most only need these low PR cards to catch up.

The majority are not even bothering with the AP. I understand AP being numbered, but a cheap frame and Topps writing the #s on it, give me a complete set and an artist auto.

Just my thoughts.

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Its probably not new people buying these...its the people already here hoarding and driving the market up.

Last time I saw cards go up triple digits overnight was in 2002 and eTopps. Didnt last then and wont last now.

That being said a lot of $ will change hands between now and then.

[speedyjg13]

Originally Posted by badlarrys

I think most people want to build complete sets of Artist or Player. Most only need these low PR cards to catch up.

The majority are not even bothering with the AP. I understand AP being numbered, but a cheap frame and Topps writing the #s on it, give me a complete set and an artist auto.

Just my thoughts.

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Well said... I'll pass on the framed. It's just a frame like transcendent, gallery, museum collection and every other product that gets a frame incorporated into it now. I rather do base and some artist autos.

[SmokeyJ]

Originally Posted by Cam Brady

Last time I saw cards go up triple digits overnight was in 2002 and eTopps. Didnt last then and wont last now.

Can someone give a little bit of the story here about eTopps? Quite a few people have mentioned in when talking about Project 2020. I know what the eTopps cards are, but I was out of the hobby at the time.

What was the deal with the market on those?

[eldavojohn]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

Blake posted these earlier. Anyone know of any other artist sties?

https://ProAthletePortraits.com (Blake)
https://Shop.TysonBeck.com (Tyson Beck)
https://project2020.ermsy.com/ (Ermsy)
https://www.mikkellereditions.com/ (Keith Shore)
https://www.efdotstudio.com/store (Efdot - scroll to bottom)
https://gregorysiff.bigcartel.com/ (Gregory Siff - COMING SOON)

Wouldn't it make sense to also link in the first post the mattingly charities seller on ebay?

[Cam Brady]

Originally Posted by SmokeyJ

Can someone give a little bit of the story here about eTopps? Quite a few people have mentioned in when talking about Project 2020. I know what the eTopps cards are, but I was out of the hobby at the time.

What was the deal with the market on those?

Started in 2000 with a small run of football cards.

First main release was 2001 with baseball (Ichiro rc 10,000 pr and Pujols RC 5000pr)

Then the monster a 147 2001 football set. Lowest print run was 186 with Tony Banks. Lots of other low printed guys as well. Most of these were held in bulk by a very small number of people.

Then in 2002 Topps decided to advertise the program and print runs EXPLODED. Everything was in the thousands and those early 2000/2001 cards doubled in price pretty much every night. Tony Banks was over $1000 at one point and the most valuable base, non rookie, football card in the hobby (at this point you knew it wasnt going to last).

Program lasted for 10 years....lots of money changed hands.

First warning sign was...every card was a "winner" automatically worth more than what you could buy it from Topps for....yeah the hobby doesnt work like that. Part of that was with eTopps it was only 1 card per account; yest there were several ways around that but most people couldnt get the cards in bulk except in secondary market. With P2020 you can buy as much as you want right from Topps...IF every card is a winner with this print runs will quickly go super sonic.

The price action you need to watch is the flip. The ability of a card to immediately go meaningfully above issue price and stay there. Thats what a few of the big Now guys have tried to artificially create with Now cards.

[yrocks2001]

Originally Posted by Cam Brady

Started in 2000 with a small run of football cards.

First main release was 2001 with baseball (Ichiro rc 10,000 pr and Pujols RC 5000pr)

Then the monster a 147 2001 football set. Lowest print run was 186 with Tony Banks. Lots of other low printed guys as well. Most of these were held in bulk by a very small number of people.

Then in 2002 Topps decided to advertise the program and print runs EXPLODED. Everything was in the thousands and those early 2000/2001 cards doubled in price pretty much every night. Tony Banks was over $1000 at one point and the most valuable base, non rookie, football card in the hobby (at this point you knew it wasnt going to last).

Program lasted for 10 years....lots of money changed hands.

Oh man remember etopps autos too those were nuts

[SmokeyJ]

Thanks for the response, Cam Brady.

[Ctjwa]

Originally Posted by badlarrys

The majority are not even bothering with the AP. I understand AP being numbered, but a cheap frame and Topps writing the #s on it, give me a complete set and an artist auto.

Yes! I’ve been saying this from day one, finally someone is with me

[Dukeboy73]

Originally Posted by yrocks2001

Oh man remember etopps autos too those were nuts

Still have my 2000 Peyton Manning

[kpete42]

Originally Posted by blakejamieson

Bought my first multi card lot of Project 2020’s just for my 0.0001% chance at hitting the gold 1/1. Definitely trading for this piece if I hit it. And if I don’t, I’ll have a bunch of bad ass Rickey cards. Win win.

[yrocks2001]

Lowest Gooden Ermsy BIN is not $100 there's an auction with 10 hours left at $40. If Williams PR is 4000+ this one could see a really nice bump.

[bubblesquirtle]

If you missed out on the don mattingly signed Keith shore card yesterday Keith has 11 signed by himself /50 left on his site


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[KabirC]

Originally Posted by yrocks2001

Lowest Gooden Ermsy BIN is not $100 there's an auction with 10 hours left at $40. If Williams PR is 4000+ this one could see a really nice bump.

Looks like Ermsy across the board getting a big bump, prices are skyrocketing right now for so many cards.

[gamboooler]

Took me a while but finally decided I wanted to do a Jeter set + the Naturel set. Wish I would've decided a few days ago when the Jackie was still $50-60, but whatcha gonna do.

[kyle1707]

Originally Posted by Cam Brady

Its probably not new people buying these...its the people already here hoarding and driving the market up.

Last time I saw cards go up triple digits overnight was in 2002 and eTopps. Didnt last then and wont last now.

That being said a lot of $ will change hands between now and then.

I agree. 400 cards are to much as we keep saying

But with art and artists

Some of this will hold amazing value in long term compared to the 16-18 dollar price tag

Something that happened in living set I see coming soon to this

The first 10 cards are worth 1500 dollars.

People see a 1000-1500 pay day and sell out.

They don’t come back.

[yrocks2001]

Originally Posted by kyle1707

I agree. 400 cards are to much as we keep saying

But with art and artists

Some of this will hold amazing value in long term compared to the 16-18 dollar price tag

Something that happened in living set I see coming soon to this

The first 10 cards are worth 1500 dollars.

People see a 1000-1500 pay day and sell out.

They don’t come back.

Living is a little bit different beast, how do you collect an entire set that is never supposed to end? If I decide to move on from one collection on this it seems plausible I just shift my focus to another.

[ClevelandIC]

Originally Posted by yrocks2001

Living is a little bit different beast, how do you collect an entire set that is never supposed to end? If I decide to move on from one collection on this it seems plausible I just shift my focus to another.

This is my opinion as well. I got pulled into Living Set for a few months and had a nice collection going but I couldn't commit to a never ending set. This has a definded deadline and plan.

[javabuddha]

Originally Posted by eldavojohn

Wouldn't it make sense to also link in the first post the mattingly charities seller on ebay?

Just added it!

[kyle1707]

Originally Posted by yrocks2001

Living is a little bit different beast, how do you collect an entire set that is never supposed to end? If I decide to move on from one collection on this it seems plausible I just shift my focus to another.

I agree. But the early hype and prices died with living

I sold first 50’cards for 1200 and walked away

You can buy 1-300 for 1000 now

But like I said art and artists. Is different. And I see this holding much better

[kyle1707]

I really like the cards today.

Kings mays is very cool

Love the logo