2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[rman112]

Originally Posted by pac213up

I would not get caught up in the timing of the shutdown. Trump's failure in this whole situation is not prioritizing our capacity to test. That delay and lack of data it created made everyone's job on both sides of the aisle much harder. We did not need to wait until it was in our borders to ensure our preparedness was adequate IF a worse case scenario were to happen. That was an absolute failure by this administration.

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Testing doesn't make the virus any better or worse.

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/...rt_Volume1.pdf



Trump can withhold aid if they do not do his bidding.

Ah, more conjecture. One would think you people would have learned from 2016. Oh well.

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by pac213up

I would not get caught up in the timing of the shutdown. Trump's failure in this whole situation is not prioritizing our capacity to test. That delay and lack of data it created made everyone's job on both sides of the aisle much harder. We did not need to wait until it was in our borders to ensure our preparedness was adequate IF a worse case scenario were to happen. That was an absolute failure by this administration.

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Just curious, why would Trump prioritize the capacity for testing when the people in charge of medical decisions like this said we should go on as normal?

Also curious: what else should we be prioritizing today that isn't a problem for us yet, since so many people claim to have known these things in November?

[Siberian13]

^^^^NSFW. HAHAHA better take that photo down

[dbackschamp2001]

So what side is the sheeple? I've heard both sides called rmthjs over the past couple of months.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by dbackschamp2001

So what side is the sheeple? I've heard both sides called rmthjs over the past couple of months.

The side of the many.

[kerg]

So Wisconsin opened up non-essential businesses, but limited to 5 customers at a time. Which basically means that large places (Kohl's, Hobby Lobby, Michaels and a host of others), it would be pointless to open. Makes no sense as you wouldn't get enough foot traffic to pay for the lights to be on and staffing.

But he did allow drive in movie theaters to open. (Which there are 8 in the state I think).

[pac213up]

Originally Posted by rman112

Testing doesn't make the virus any better or worse.

No but it makes decisions easier when you can actually measure what is happening instead of relying on educated guesses and models. Unfortunately Trump was asleep at the wheel on this one. Shutting the border did not matter....it was already here. Unfortunately it took extra weeks to measure to what extent and where exactly.

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[TheFrenzy]

Photo has been censored.

The children have been thought of.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by pac213up

No but it makes decisions easier when you can actually measure what is happening instead of relying on educated guesses and models. Unfortunately Trump was asleep at the wheel on this one. Shutting the border did not matter....it was already here. Unfortunately it took extra weeks to measure to what extent and where exactly.

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So it was already here no matter if we had more testing or not.

[Boo]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

Photo has been censored.

The children have been thought of.

That poster should show his 10 year old that and see if it's worse than C3PO

[pac213up]

Originally Posted by rman112

So it was already here no matter if we had more testing or not.

Yes. Testing helps to read, react, and make better decisions faster to slow transmission and isolate pockets of infection. Lack of testing slowed our ability to recover faster.

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[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by kerg

So Wisconsin opened up non-essential businesses, but limited to 5 customers at a time. Which basically means that large places (Kohl's, Hobby Lobby, Michaels and a host of others), it would be pointless to open. Makes no sense as you wouldn't get enough foot traffic to pay for the lights to be on and staffing.

But he did allow drive in movie theaters to open. (Which there are 8 in the state I think).

But let's pack 500 in a Wal-Mart and it's okay.

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by pac213up

Yes. Testing helps to read, react, and make better decisions faster to slow transmission and isolate pockets of infection. Lack of testing slowed our ability to recover faster.

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When did you know that we needed to prioritize testing? Before Dr. Fauci?

[rman112]

Originally Posted by pac213up

Yes. Testing helps to read, react, and make better decisions faster to slow transmission and isolate pockets of infection. Lack of testing slowed our ability to recover faster.

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What percentage of tests would have been acceptable? Enough for 1/8 of Americans? A quarter? Half? Would something like 50 or 75 million tests readily available have been OK? How realistic would that be for a novel virus?

[Soxfanguy]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

But let's pack 500 in a Wal-Mart and it's okay.

Just another way the lockdown helps giant places like Walmart and kills small businesses

[pac213up]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

When did you know that we needed to prioritize testing? Before Dr. Fauci?

I would guess Fauci knew before me and was extremely disappointed with Trump. Why does Fauci run the country?

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[rman112]

Originally Posted by pac213up

I would guess Fauci knew before me and was extremely disappointed with Trump. Why does Fauci run the country?

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Why has Fauci said him and Trump have been in general agreement? And that he dislikes the media trying to create a rift between them?

[pac213up]

Originally Posted by rman112

What percentage of tests would have been acceptable? Enough for 1/8 of Americans? A quarter? Half? Would something like 50 or 75 million tests readily available have been OK? How realistic would that be for a novel virus?

Far less initially.

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[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by pac213up

I would guess Fauci knew before me and was extremely disappointed with Trump. Why does Fauci run the country?

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Why does the guy with a medical degree have more input on how much testing we need than the President? Is that a real question?

So now the theory is that Fauci wanted to ramp up the testing capacity, but Trump wouldn't let him. Even though Fauci stated publicly at the end of February that we should go on with our normal lives. I think I've got it now.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by pac213up

Far less initially.

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So that still would've left the mass, mass majority of people that couldn't be tested. What would that have changed for us?

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by pac213up

Far less initially.

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So you wanted a bunch of tests ready even though we didn't even know what the thing was. Sounds like a solid plan.

[pac213up]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

Why does the guy with a medical degree have more input on how much testing we need than the President? Is that a real question?

So now the theory is that Fauci wanted to ramp up the testing capacity, but Trump wouldn't let him. Even though Fauci stated publicly at the end of February that we should go on with our normal lives. I think I've got it now.

They don't even agree on testing capabilities now, unlikely they did to begin as well.

https://www.axios.com/trump-fauci-co...2b5966a96.html

[rcmb3220]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

Alright, someone help me out.

Is the narrative that Trump & Pence haven't been taking this seriously all along (calling it a hoax, not wearing masks, not self-isolating, etc.) or is that they are taking it seriously and just want to get everyone killed?

Because, judging from the stories I'm seeing, it sounds like I'm supposed to be unquestioningly believing dozens of mutually contradictory things about just about every facet of this pandemic.

It’s only contradictory if it’s from the same person. You know how one baseball card collector might like Heritage and another one might hate it? Then a basketball card guy says “make up your minds!”

[pac213up]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

So you wanted a bunch of tests ready even though we didn't even know what the thing was. Sounds like a solid plan.

We knew what the thing was. It was already causing issues in other countries.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-was...em-11584552147