Topps Project 2020 is the worst product since 1991 Fleer

[AlexHunter]

Originally Posted by nerdherd020

As a few have mentioned in this thread, she’s severely underrated. I’m a fan and am going after her set. I’d suggest buying her Rivera and Gibson cards now before they increase even more. Both have small print runs (1617 and 1268) and she has yet to release any of the big three (Trout, Griffey and Jeter).

I’m super stoked that she’s the artist I’m 100% dedicated to collecting. Her designs are 90s notebook doodles and they will all look so amazing together!!!!

I’m really glad I bought a Chang Ichiro 10 pack from Topps. I recommend anyone scooping up her ichiro since it’s still sub $30 if you haven’t or even stacking a few.

I think her trout is gonna be one of the top 5 aesthetically pleasing trouts when all is said and done


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[ChrisCastig]

Originally Posted by nerdherd020

As a few have mentioned in this thread, she’s severely underrated. I’m a fan and am going after her set. I’d suggest buying her Rivera and Gibson cards now before they increase even more. Both have small print runs (1617 and 1268) and she has yet to release any of the big three (Trout, Griffey and Jeter).

That is my thinking as well. I will probably scoop them both before the end of the week. I hope they don't shoot up too much.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by mchenrycards

Here is an odd question not about these project 2020 cards but rather the art set from last year, the Topps 150 Years of Baseball that was produced using the works from noted sports artist, Graig Kreindler.

When compared to the project 2020 cards, I understand that last years cards may not have the wide appeal due to the artists being more global in nature but do we see any parallels from the Kreindler set when compared to Project 2020? Do you think that last years cards will have any bounce in value when casual sports collectors of Project 2020 cards start looking at other sets based on artwork that Topps has produced.

Last years set had much of what is driving this years cards such as limited production as all of these cards were produced in very limited quantities, all less than 1800 and some less than 1000. The Trout alone has only 1400 copies printed but they do not hold a great deal of current value. The artist has won several prestigious awards and has worked with the Baseball Hall of Fame and Negro League Baseball Museum and the United States Post Office which lends to his credibility. I would love to hear thoughts on future values and thoughts on values of his artist signed works from last years set.

the "problem" with them is that they are printed on 35pt cardstock, which makes them like every other online issue (sans 3D)

P2020's are on 130pt Stock and ship in their own magnetic one touch

[AlexHunter]

Originally Posted by deadman31

Well, I finally managed to get a Saladeen Griffey. I’m not happy about what I paid but it is what it is. It could have been worse. At least now I’ll be able to have the complete set. Major lesson learned.

Hey man, I’m really glad you finally grabbed one!!! In a week you will be extremely happy when the card is $100 more than it is now. Good job buying your white whale for this set!!!!


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[JTPlatnum]

Originally Posted by mchenrycards

Here is an odd question not about these project 2020 cards but rather the art set from last year, the Topps 150 Years of Baseball that was produced using the works from noted sports artist, Graig Kreindler.

When compared to the project 2020 cards, I understand that last years cards may not have the wide appeal due to the artists being more global in nature but do we see any parallels from the Kreindler set when compared to Project 2020? Do you think that last years cards will have any bounce in value when casual sports collectors of Project 2020 cards start looking at other sets based on artwork that Topps has produced.

Last years set had much of what is driving this years cards such as limited production as all of these cards were produced in very limited quantities, all less than 1800 and some less than 1000. The Trout alone has only 1400 copies printed but they do not hold a great deal of current value. The artist has won several prestigious awards and has worked with the Baseball Hall of Fame and Negro League Baseball Museum and the United States Post Office which lends to his credibility. I would love to hear thoughts on future values and thoughts on values of his artist signed works from last years set.

So...confession time...I collected cards about 25-30 years ago...around the time that 1987 topps and all that overproduced crap tanked the market. I started in 1987, pretty much stopped in or around 1998. When I moved on, I moved into the sneaker/streetwear scene since then (I understand a big portion of the users on this forum have a certain disdain for sneaker/streetwear people so i probably won't talk about it much)...I initially heard of the Topps 2020 thing just messing around on social media and thought 'man, that's a cool idea' and that was about it. I saw the list of artists and thought 'wow they're really goin for it, huh?'

I follow Ben Baller on Twitter - mostly because of his early connection to Hip Hop and Sneakers...I had no idea he was even involved with this thing until like 2 weeks ago when he posted his Trout. I hopped on over to the Topps site and was freaking out - it reminded me of another online sneaker release where you're contending with bots and add to carts and runtime errors and blah blah blah. I was frantically trying to order one before the 18 hour timer went down...I simply couldn't understand the fact that a preorder is an actual preorder (there's really no such thing as a preorder in the sneaker world). Once I ordered my first, then my second, then my third, I started googling around and found all these other dope cards on eBay and ordered like all 50 of them in a matter of hours.

I think you have a lot of sneakerheads and streetwear folks and people from outside the hobby looking in and jumping in quick...the price of these cards are cheap compared to $1000 shoes and a lot of these artists are also active in those industries. There has been an uptick in sneakers/streetwear and interest in sports cards in the past year or so as they all seem to hit on similar themes - rarity, nostalgia, collectibility, randomization, etc. It's all gold. StockX - the main 'price guide' for sneakers, recently started selling some sports cards on its site as well and some of the biggest sneaker sellers on eBay have been including cards with some of their sales. The two worlds are getting closer.

In my humble opinion - I think what we're seeing has just as much to do with the artist(s) than it does the subject. Personally, I wouldn't have given a damn whatsoever if there were no streetwear art crossover...And I hate to say it, but the 'cheekiness' of the art is what has me enthralled. Like, as a kid, a baseball card was this super serious thing...and then to see it ripped apart and reimagined as a fun thing? This is what has MADE it fun IMO...

Edit: I guess I didn't really answer your question - what I was getting at is that I think the crossover appeal is what is pushing this market...and I could be totally wrong as I'm still just an outsider looking in, but there seems to be an influx of people who know nothing about these cards that are buying them based off of the artist name recognition alone....I don't think it has as much to do with the art as it does the artist. If the artist doesn't have crossover appeal, I don't think it's going to do much...I could absolutely be wrong, though...

[BurnerNotify]

Chang was written up by Forbes so her cards definitely have up-side (IMO). Plus they are really fun to look at.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/nickdiu.../#3a11a64ee7be

[AlexHunter]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

the "problem" with them is that they are printed on 35pt cardstock, which makes them like every other online issue (sans 3D)

P2020's are on 130pt Stock and ship in their own magnetic one touch

I think the 135 pt is the GENIUS move of the whole thing. The card actually feels like a box or case hit of some type, like any other 1 per case insert hit.


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[AlexHunter]

Originally Posted by JTPlatnum

So...confession time...I collected cards about 25-30 years ago...around the time that 1987 topps and all that overproduced crap tanked the market. I started in 1987, pretty much stopped in or around 1998. When I moved on, I moved into the sneaker/streetwear scene since then (I understand a big portion of the users on this forum have a certain disdain for sneaker/streetwear people so i probably won't talk about it much)...I initially heard of the Topps 2020 thing just messing around on social media and thought 'man, that's a cool idea' and that was about it. I saw the list of artists and thought 'wow they're really goin for it, huh?'

I follow Ben Baller on Twitter - mostly because of his early connection to Hip Hop and Sneakers...I had no idea he was even involved with this thing until like 2 weeks ago when he posted his Trout. I hopped on over to the Topps site and was freaking out - it reminded me of another online sneaker release where you're contending with bots and add to carts and runtime errors and blah blah blah. I was frantically trying to order one before the 18 hour timer went down...I simply couldn't understand the fact that a preorder is an actual preorder (there's really no such thing as a preorder in the sneaker world). Once I ordered my first, then my second, then my third, I started googling around and found all these other dope cards on eBay and ordered like all 50 of them in a matter of hours.

I think you have a lot of sneakerheads and streetwear folks and people from outside the hobby looking in and jumping in quick...the price of these cards are cheap compared to $1000 shoes and a lot of these artists are also active in those industries. There has been an uptick in sneakers/streetwear and interest in sports cards in the past year or so as they all seem to hit on similar themes - rarity, nostalgia, collectibility, randomization, etc. It's all gold. StockX - the main 'price guide' for sneakers, recently started selling some sports cards on its site as well and some of the biggest sneaker sellers on eBay have been including cards with some of their sales. The two worlds are getting closer.

In my humble opinion - I think what we're seeing has just as much to do with the artist(s) than it does the subject. Personally, I wouldn't have given a damn whatsoever if there were no streetwear art crossover...And I hate to say it, but the 'cheekiness' of the art is what has me enthralled. Like, as a kid, a baseball card was this super serious thing...and then to see it ripped apart and reimagined as a fun thing? This is what has MADE it fun IMO...

And- those types are DRIPPING cash and are used to flipping $800 sneaks.


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[daeve]

Yeah not sure why I thought Ermsy Ichiro's might be cheaper today... ugh. I think, like others have said, there might be some huge print runs now - and for the next few weeks, but fatigue will eventually set in and towards the end there could be some low print runs again.

[AlexHunter]

Originally Posted by BurnerNotify

Chang was written up by Forbes so her cards definitely have up-side (IMO). Plus they are really fun to look at.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/nickdiu.../#3a11a64ee7be

She’s right. If the glove was on the other hand, with half the print run of ermsy trout it might have been the most polarizing card in the set


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[The Accountant]

Love me some Project 2020






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[deadman31]

Originally Posted by AlexHunter

Hey man, I’m really glad you finally grabbed one!!! In a week you will be extremely happy when the card is $100 more than it is now. Good job buying your white whale for this set!!!!

Thx. It was a nightmare trying to get it. Like I said, at first I just wasn’t really all that interested. I saw them on Topps.com but I just kind of blew it off. I didn’t really understand the whole thing. I don’t collect a lot of modern Griffey’s. But I saw the Beck one and I liked it so I got it and then prices went haywire. I’m happy going forward I’ll only have to pay $20 each from Topps.

[Portocuba]

Originally Posted by The Accountant

Love me some Project 2020






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Beautiful!

[PDCCollectibles]

Originally Posted by daeve

Yeah not sure why I thought Ermsy Ichiro's might be cheaper today... ugh. I think, like others have said, there might be some huge print runs now - and for the next few weeks, but fatigue will eventually set in and towards the end there could be some low print runs again.

If you're gonna grab that one, I'd grab now, imo….been steadily rising over the last couple weeks

[nerdherd020]

Originally Posted by AlexHunter

I’m super stoked that she’s the artist I’m 100% dedicated to collecting. Her designs are 90s notebook doodles and they will all look so amazing together!!!!

I’m really glad I bought a Chang Ichiro 10 pack from Topps. I recommend anyone scooping up her ichiro since it’s still sub $30 if you haven’t or even stacking a few.

I think her trout is gonna be one of the top 5 aesthetically pleasing trouts when all is said and done


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I, too, purchased her Ichiro 10-pack from Topps. I was late to the game so I had to buy her other three off eBay. Bought multiples of her Jackie and Gibson last week and one of her Rivera.

[nerdherd020]

Originally Posted by PDCCollectibles

If you're gonna grab that one, I'd grab now, imo….been steadily rising over the last couple weeks

It briefly dropped down to $150 over the weekend but I see that they’ve gone back up to near $200.

[BurnerNotify]

Originally Posted by JTPlatnum

So...confession time...I collected cards about 25-30 years ago...around the time that 1987 topps and all that overproduced crap tanked the market. I started in 1987, pretty much stopped in or around 1998. When I moved on, I moved into the sneaker/streetwear scene since then (I understand a big portion of the users on this forum have a certain disdain for sneaker/streetwear people so i probably won't talk about it much)...I initially heard of the Topps 2020 thing just messing around on social media and thought 'man, that's a cool idea' and that was about it. I saw the list of artists and thought 'wow they're really goin for it, huh?'

I follow Ben Baller on Twitter - mostly because of his early connection to Hip Hop and Sneakers...I had no idea he was even involved with this thing until like 2 weeks ago when he posted his Trout. I hopped on over to the Topps site and was freaking out - it reminded me of another online sneaker release where you're contending with bots and add to carts and runtime errors and blah blah blah. I was frantically trying to order one before the 18 hour timer went down...I simply couldn't understand the fact that a preorder is an actual preorder (there's really no such thing as a preorder in the sneaker world). Once I ordered my first, then my second, then my third, I started googling around and found all these other dope cards on eBay and ordered like all 50 of them in a matter of hours.

I think you have a lot of sneakerheads and streetwear folks and people from outside the hobby looking in and jumping in quick...the price of these cards are cheap compared to $1000 shoes and a lot of these artists are also active in those industries. There has been an uptick in sneakers/streetwear and interest in sports cards in the past year or so as they all seem to hit on similar themes - rarity, nostalgia, collectibility, randomization, etc. It's all gold. StockX - the main 'price guide' for sneakers, recently started selling some sports cards on its site as well and some of the biggest sneaker sellers on eBay have been including cards with some of their sales. The two worlds are getting closer.

In my humble opinion - I think what we're seeing has just as much to do with the artist(s) than it does the subject. Personally, I wouldn't have given a damn whatsoever if there were no streetwear art crossover...And I hate to say it, but the 'cheekiness' of the art is what has me enthralled. Like, as a kid, a baseball card was this super serious thing...and then to see it ripped apart and reimagined as a fun thing? This is what has MADE it fun IMO...

Edit: I guess I didn't really answer your question - what I was getting at is that I think the crossover appeal is what is pushing this market...and I could be totally wrong as I'm still just an outsider looking in, but there seems to be an influx of people who know nothing about these cards that are buying them based off of the artist name recognition alone....I don't think it has as much to do with the art as it does the artist. If the artist doesn't have crossover appeal, I don't think it's going to do much...I could absolutely be wrong, though...

Imagine the hype if Virgil Abloh did a Project 2020 style card - talk about worlds colliding!
I too got swept up from the sneaker resell world after having long ago retired from collecting baseball cards (in the mid-80s!). Ironically, i was trying to bot the damn artist proof cards (never worked for me by the way) and accidently bought a 2 pack bundle with, i think, Clemente and Gibson in it. That opened the floodgates for me and been on a buying binge mostly for my PC and resell potential to fund the PC.

[daeve]

Originally Posted by PDCCollectibles

If you're gonna grab that one, I'd grab now, imo….been steadily rising over the last couple weeks

I saw one of the Ben Ballers ending slightly lower so I was thinking 'maybe a dip is coming' haha

[CardFarmer]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

the "problem" with them is that they are printed on 35pt cardstock, which makes them like every other online issue (sans 3D)

P2020's are on 130pt Stock and ship in their own magnetic one touch

They're also rather boring, with a more traditional aesthetic. Project 2020 has drawn so much attention because it pulls in a very divergent group of current modern artists, jewelers, etc. You get a much different set of result from this than just having one guy paint in a photo-realistic manner. While they are technically quite good, those Kreindler cards just don't appeal me at all. For some reason, they remind me of those puzzles that Donruss used to pack with their cards in the 80s/90s.

Couple that with COVID-19, quarantines, and the lack of sports/card releases and we have the perfect storm for P2020 to shoot to the moon.

[CardFarmer]

Originally Posted by JTPlatnum

So...confession time...I collected cards about 25-30 years ago...around the time that 1987 topps and all that overproduced crap tanked the market. I started in 1987, pretty much stopped in or around 1998. When I moved on, I moved into the sneaker/streetwear scene since then (I understand a big portion of the users on this forum have a certain disdain for sneaker/streetwear people so i probably won't talk about it much)...I initially heard of the Topps 2020 thing just messing around on social media and thought 'man, that's a cool idea' and that was about it. I saw the list of artists and thought 'wow they're really goin for it, huh?'

I follow Ben Baller on Twitter - mostly because of his early connection to Hip Hop and Sneakers...I had no idea he was even involved with this thing until like 2 weeks ago when he posted his Trout. I hopped on over to the Topps site and was freaking out - it reminded me of another online sneaker release where you're contending with bots and add to carts and runtime errors and blah blah blah. I was frantically trying to order one before the 18 hour timer went down...I simply couldn't understand the fact that a preorder is an actual preorder (there's really no such thing as a preorder in the sneaker world). Once I ordered my first, then my second, then my third, I started googling around and found all these other dope cards on eBay and ordered like all 50 of them in a matter of hours.

I think you have a lot of sneakerheads and streetwear folks and people from outside the hobby looking in and jumping in quick...the price of these cards are cheap compared to $1000 shoes and a lot of these artists are also active in those industries. There has been an uptick in sneakers/streetwear and interest in sports cards in the past year or so as they all seem to hit on similar themes - rarity, nostalgia, collectibility, randomization, etc. It's all gold. StockX - the main 'price guide' for sneakers, recently started selling some sports cards on its site as well and some of the biggest sneaker sellers on eBay have been including cards with some of their sales. The two worlds are getting closer.

In my humble opinion - I think what we're seeing has just as much to do with the artist(s) than it does the subject. Personally, I wouldn't have given a damn whatsoever if there were no streetwear art crossover...And I hate to say it, but the 'cheekiness' of the art is what has me enthralled. Like, as a kid, a baseball card was this super serious thing...and then to see it ripped apart and reimagined as a fun thing? This is what has MADE it fun IMO...

Edit: I guess I didn't really answer your question - what I was getting at is that I think the crossover appeal is what is pushing this market...and I could be totally wrong as I'm still just an outsider looking in, but there seems to be an influx of people who know nothing about these cards that are buying them based off of the artist name recognition alone....I don't think it has as much to do with the art as it does the artist. If the artist doesn't have crossover appeal, I don't think it's going to do much...I could absolutely be wrong, though...

It's great to get another perspective on this thing. Thank you for posting.

I actually like art far more than I like sports cards, and P2020 is the only modern "sports card" product I've bought. All my other purchases are junk wax or vintage.

[Absknicks]

Trout Ermsy hasn’t moved much in a few days. Got to 500+ but since Friday it’s been in the 450-475 range.

[The Accountant]

Originally Posted by Absknicks

Trout Ermsy hasn’t moved much in a few days. Got to 500+ but since Friday it’s been in the 450-475 range.

i think now's the time to buy before they are impossible to find - but that's just my two cents

[gmoney328]

Originally Posted by Absknicks

Trout Ermsy hasn’t moved much in a few days. Got to 500+ but since Friday it’s been in the 450-475 range.

That's a healthy chunk, and I would imagine some potential buyers of that card are filling in collections with some of the cheaper stuff they may have missed....

Just my opinion though, I really have no idea.

[spacejammer]

Originally Posted by ChrisCastig

That is my thinking as well. I will probably scoop them both before the end of the week. I hope they don't shoot up too much.

rivera chang is already at 200. got 5 for 125 a few weeks ago. crazy how these continue to shoot up.

[spacejammer]

Originally Posted by The Accountant

Love me some Project 2020






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damn sell me a trout