2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[LoveRookies]

Originally Posted by rman112

Deflect. Deflect.

Straight from the neo-con playbook

[wood minis]

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-a9514736.html

[rman112]

Originally Posted by LoveRookies

Straight from the neo-con playbook

Not sure what that means, but you seem pissed about Biden's obvious debating issues.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by wood minis

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-a9514736.html

Sounds like what we call modern day tolerance. Is Stern that stupid that he doesn't realize that attitude is a big reason why Trump won, or is he just being controversial as a radio guy?

[wood minis]

Originally Posted by rman112

Sounds like what we call modern day tolerance. Is Stern that stupid that he doesn't realize that attitude is a big reason why Trump won, or is he just being controversial as a radio guy?

He probably knows Trumps thinking better than most given his relationship with him.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by wood minis

He probably knows Trumps thinking better than most given his relationship with him.

We're looking at two different things. Stern's attitude, and the position he's in to broadcast it, only strengthens Trump's voters. And I'm sure has swung some over to Trump's side, too. So unless that's his aim..

[BGT Masters]

Originally Posted by kerg

Wonder what Carlin would be like today.

Thanks for posting this.

[trixstar]

Originally Posted by rman112

We're looking at two different things. Stern's attitude, and the position he's in to broadcast it, only strengthens Trump's voters. And I'm sure has swung some over to Trump's side, too. So unless that's his aim..

The thing I've learned about Trump voters is that they don't actually care if he does anything he says. There's been barely any wall built, Mexico isn't paying for it, the tax cut barely benefits them, abortion isn't going away, Obama deported more illegals. All they care about is making other people angry or "triggered". They're like 5 year olds who take joy is seeing other people annoyed or upset and I really have no time in my life for people like that. He won't be remembered for anything positive and at the end of the day when history is written he'll be mentioned among the worst Presidents ever. Howard is 100% correct, he would never spend any time with any of his core base, I can almost guarantee you he thinks they're idiots and their lives will continue to suck and they'll continue to be angry about it

[LoveRookies]

Originally Posted by rman112

Not sure what that means, but you seem pissed about Biden's obvious debating issues.

Pissed? No. I just love the Trumpers throwing stones at crazy ole Joe for his repeated gaffes, while at the same time refusing to acknowledge Trump is just as lost. Neither one can put together a coherent thought or sentence, but you guys conveniently don't recognize Trump has had similar (and more frequent) gaffes. But hey, I get it, this is the new normal, the new Republican party. Facts don't matter.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by trixstar

The thing I've learned about Trump voters is that they don't actually care if he does anything he says. There's been barely any wall built, Mexico isn't paying for it, the tax cut barely benefits them, abortion isn't going away, Obama deported more illegals. All they care about is making other people angry or "triggered". They're like 5 year olds who take joy is seeing other people annoyed or upset and I really have no time in my life for people like that. He won't be remembered for anything positive and at the end of the day when history is written he'll be mentioned among the worst Presidents ever. Howard is 100% correct, he would never spend any time with any of his core base, I can almost guarantee you he thinks they're idiots and their lives will continue to suck and they'll continue to be angry about it

Doesn't seem to me like you're in a position to see things as clear as you think you are. Plenty of generalizing, and aimed at those loud enough to attract negative attention towards themselves. Nothing about everyone else, which is a much larger group than you might think. So at the end of the day, who are the 'they' you're talking about? How many Trump voters from 2016 or 2020 would you not even have any clue whatsoever were/are Trump voters, because they don't feel like being lumped in with negative stereotypes?

[rman112]

Originally Posted by LoveRookies

Pissed? No. I just love the Trumpers throwing stones at crazy ole Joe for his repeated gaffes, while at the same time refusing to acknowledge Trump is just as lost. Neither one can put together a coherent thought or sentence, but you guys conveniently don't recognize Trump has had similar (and more frequent) gaffes. But hey, I get it, this is the new normal, the new Republican party. Facts don't matter.

Some of them have been posted in here plenty. Trump's done how much talking recently, or even in the last ~4 years altogether? While Biden's wife has stepped for him in shorter segments in recent weeks (and he's still screwed up).

[trixstar]

Originally Posted by rman112

Doesn't seem to me like you're in a position to see things as clear as you think you are. Plenty of generalizing, and aimed at those loud enough to attract negative attention towards themselves. Nothing about everyone else, which is a much larger group than you might think. So at the end of the day, who are the 'they' you're talking about? How many Trump voters from 2016 or 2020 would you not even have any clue whatsoever were/are Trump voters, because they don't feel like being lumped in with negative stereotypes?

The 20-30% whatever the number is that no matter what support him, ignore everything he does that if any other politician did they'd be up in arms etc etc. I'm well aware there's a chunk of people that voted for him just b/c of who the opponent was.

[LoveRookies]

Originally Posted by rman112

Doesn't seem to me like you're in a position to see things as clear as you think you are. Plenty of generalizing, and aimed at those loud enough to attract negative attention towards themselves. Nothing about everyone else, which is a much larger group than you might think. So at the end of the day, who are the 'they' you're talking about? How many Trump voters from 2016 or 2020 would you not even have any clue whatsoever were/are Trump voters, because they don't feel like being lumped in with negative stereotypes?

"They" are easy to spot. Just look for the MAGA hat, sunken eyes, protruding underbite, and mouth breathing. If your sight isn't great, just listen for these words: Obama, Killery, Deep State, Benghazi. That pretty much encapsulates 90% of the base.

[discostu]

Originally Posted by rman112

That doesn't really answer the question, does it? It just points solely at Trump's "bad's".. and ignores the guy that has had his wife speak for him more and more lately, because his party is well aware of what his condition is, and limitations are.

Debates between rival parties are meaningless for the majority. No amount of substance can swing one side to the other.

So again, Biden beats Trump with his crowd, Trump beats Biden with his crowd.

Will the borderline 10% be swayed by Biden or Trump? Who knows.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by trixstar

The 20-30% whatever the number is that no matter what support him, ignore everything he does that if any other politician did they'd be up in arms etc etc. I'm well aware there's a chunk of people that voted for him just b/c of who the opponent was.

Examples? Can you tell me the things Trump does that we should be up in arms about?

Personally, I believe his actions are top notch. The delivery is typically terrible but I have nothing but 5 stars for this guy as it relates to policy. Seriously.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by LoveRookies

"They" are easy to spot. Just look for the MAGA hat, sunken eyes, protruding underbite, and mouth breathing. If you're sight isn't great, just listen for these words: Obama, Killery, Deep State, Benghazi. That pretty much encapsulates 90% of the base.

Interesting. I think you're saying a lot more about yourself than anything 59 be honest. Do you not realize how small of a percentage that is of all the people that voted for him, and/or will vote for him.. ?

[LoveRookies]

Originally Posted by discostu

Debates between rival parties are meaningless for the majority. No amount of substance can swing one side to the other.

So again, Biden beats Trump with his crowd, Trump beats Biden with his crowd.

Will the borderline 10% be swayed by Biden or Trump? Who knows.

No one will be swayed. The lines have been drawn. I just want to watch these two old morons throw insults at one another for 2 hours. It is going to be more of a roast than a debate.

[trixstar]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Examples? Can you tell me the things Trump does that we should be up in arms about?

Personally, I believe his actions are top notch. The delivery is typically terrible but I have nothing but 5 stars for this guy as it relates to policy. Seriously.

Nah man lol I'm done conversing about politics with people that have this attitude. If you're cool with it great, just remember what you're cool with him doing when someone new is in the seat.

[LoveRookies]

Originally Posted by rman112

Interesting. I think you're saying a lot more about yourself than anything 59 be honest. Do you not realize how small of a percentage that is of all the people that voted for him, and/or will vote for him.. ?

Like I said, 90% of the base checks at least one of these boxes. Especially with the rhetoric, maybe not as much with their appearance.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by trixstar

The 20-30% whatever the number is that no matter what support him, ignore everything he does that if any other politician did they'd be up in arms etc etc. I'm well aware there's a chunk of people that voted for him just b/c of who the opponent was.

And what percentage of the other side are more of the leftist breed that are a but more mentally unstable enough to get constantly triggered no matter what? The TDS folk.

I don't understand on focusing so heavily on the fringes.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by trixstar

Nah man lol I'm done conversing about politics with people that have this attitude. If you're cool with it great, just remember what you're cool with him doing when someone new is in the seat.

I'm genuinely curious. What is it he's done that is outrageous?

[rman112]

Originally Posted by LoveRookies

Like I said, 90% of the base checks at least one of these boxes. Especially with the rhetoric, maybe not as much with their appearance.

You're dead ass wrong, but you're still free to feel that way. But you're helping Trump without even knowing it.

[LoveRookies]

Originally Posted by rman112

And what percentage of the other side are more of the leftist breed that are a but more mentally unstable enough to get constantly triggered no matter what? The TDS folk.

I don't understand on focusing so heavily on the fringes.

I think the main difference in the parties right now is the moderate dems despise and fear the far left progressives. The moderate republicans don't exist. Your party has lost itself and is fully in the clutches of a self-serving jackass. A man who has no empathy, no compassion, no leadership skills, and will say or do anything to get reelected.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by discostu

Debates between rival parties are meaningless for the majority. No amount of substance can swing one side to the other.

So again, Biden beats Trump with his crowd, Trump beats Biden with his crowd.

Will the borderline 10% be swayed by Biden or Trump? Who knows.

This year, I'm not so sure. So many people are going to want answers that there should be more of an opportunity to be open-minded, or switch sides.

Trump has the ability to make Biden look terrible, though. He can wipe the floor with Biden. Biden just does not have the ability to do that.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by LoveRookies

I think the main difference in the parties right now is the moderate dems despise and fear the far left progressives. The moderate republicans don't exist. Your party has lost itself and is fully in the clutches of a self-serving jackass. A man who has no empathy, no compassion, no leadership skills, and will say or do anything to get reelected.

I don't have a party. I've passed up voting multiple times because I never saw the point, or had any interest. I've voted in the Presidential election once. So now? Republican, sure. It's not set in stone. But with how left the Democrats have gone (liberalism is more or less dead, IMO), I don't see that changing anytime soon.