Topps Project 2020 is the worst product since 1991 Fleer - Page 520

nerdherd020 · 05-26-2020, 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Its release is going to parallel his Beckett feature. Going to be on the verge of being a household name in the card circles. Don't think you'll have much problem moving it for a decent profit with his name in an Ebay title.

We'll see. If I do decide to resell I'll just use the funds to reinvest in more of his cards. He still has 15 more to be released plus autos.

redscollector24 · 05-26-2020, 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Middies31985

Isn't is 20 artists, 20 players, $20 in the year 2020?

Doesn't fit the model if they change.

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$200 works

ninjacookies · 05-26-2020, 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by nerdherd020

We'll see. If I do decide to resell I'll just use the funds to reinvest in more of his cards. He still has 15 more to be released plus autos.

Well, if you do get cold feet before they arrive....I'm always willing to take it off your hands for 20% over MSRP so you can splurge on 3 upcoming releases.

zbaseball21 · 05-26-2020, 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Ozai75

He's painting, signing and numbering the fanny packs if I remember what he said correctly. He's also a very well known artist and him dribbling paint on cards is still art, even if you seem them as not having value.

Yeah, I mean not everyone's going to get it i guess and I'm just the odd man out on this one and that's okay.

66_Fiat · 05-26-2020, 02:48 AM

I haven't seen much Efdot chatter with the low print runs. His first two releases were <1500, and his Williams is one of the top ten releases artistically. It's also the card where he hit his stride and made me a collector.

Like Blake, Beck, Taylor, and Ermsy, he hasn't strayed in his design. I think this set will absolutely pop when put together.

Also, he hasn't done a big name for the set, and is here on the boards!

Ozai75 · 05-26-2020, 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by zbaseball21

Yeah, I mean not everyone's going to get it i guess and I'm just the odd man out on this one and that's okay.

Absolute. Different Strokes for Different folks!

katho · 05-26-2020, 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Ozai75

He's painting, signing and numbering the fanny packs if I remember what he said correctly. He's also a very well known artist and him dribbling paint on cards is still art, even if you seem them as not having value.

Well,If dripping paint on a card or anything else is art,Then Im a Frickin Picasso...If youd like,I have many ball cards and would gladly drip paint on them for you and sign them,for lets say 5.00 a piece....Seriously though,Beauty is in the eye of the beholder,So,its all cool

TheWrightStuff · 05-26-2020, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by 66_Fiat

I haven't seen much Efdot chatter with the low print runs. His first two releases were <1500, and his Williams is one of the top ten releases artistically. It's also the card where he hit his stride and made me a collector.

Like Blake, Beck, Taylor, and Ermsy, he hasn't strayed in his design. I think this set will absolutely pop when put together.

Also, he hasn't done a big name for the set, and is here on the boards!

I'm a fan. His Ryan is my second favorite card of the series.

TheWrightStuff · 05-26-2020, 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by katho

Well,If dripping paint on a card or anything else is art,Then Im a Frickin Picasso...If youd like,I have many ball cards and would gladly drip paint on them for you and sign them,for lets say 5.00 a piece....Seriously though,Beauty is in the eye of the beholder,So,its all cool

Have you not seen so.e of the paintings that sell for millions of dollars?

21Pittsburgh58 · 05-26-2020, 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Different strokes, my friend. Different strokes. Art would be one boring a$$ landscape if everything was just a photorealistic representation of reality.

Plus, some people just like to tip the philosophical scale and find hidden meanings in everything.

This. This damnit! THIS, was what I was looking for when I was questioning Topps Project 2020 EARLY art. If this was posted when it kicked off, my mind would have been open to buying new things (I was going to say explore or try new things, but we all know what that really relates to - lol).

Anyways, ninjacookies - thank you for making such a BRILLIANT post. And also screw you for not making it earlier and costing me my early retirement.

I kid, I kid. But I really do appreciate your post!

jfan2024 · 05-26-2020, 03:11 AM

Art is different to different people. My wife's favorites are Fucci and Shore, Fucci faceless is easily my least favorite and Shore to me is meh so he can copy an elementary school kid's drawing style. But those are what my wife says hold the most artistic value and she's studied art history unlike me. I don't see why we're arguing over artistic merit, buy the cards you like personally! Not everyone has to or is going to agree with you on artistic merit

TheWrightStuff · 05-26-2020, 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by jfan2024

Art is different to different people. My wife's favorites are Fucci and Shore, Fucci faceless is easily my least favorite and Shore to me is meh so he can copy an elementary school kid's drawing style. But those are what my wife says hold the most artistic value and she's studied art history unlike me. I don't see why we're arguing over artistic merit, buy the cards you like personally! Not everyone has to or is going to agree with you on artistic merit

Yep. I've always been a fan of graffiti style art which is why saladeen is my favorite. I wish I had seen his card at the beginning instead of the others I didnt like which made me stay away.

Ozai75 · 05-26-2020, 03:27 AM

I need to make a correction. They're not hand painted. He is designing a new fanny pack, but they'll still be hand signed and hand #'ed by him.

Ozai75 · 05-26-2020, 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by katho

Well,If dripping paint on a card or anything else is art,Then Im a Frickin Picasso...If youd like,I have many ball cards and would gladly drip paint on them for you and sign them,for lets say 5.00 a piece....Seriously though,Beauty is in the eye of the beholder,So,its all cool

Are you a well known artist? Have you ever had pieces of your work displayed? etc? No? Then I'll pass.

Archangel1775 · 05-26-2020, 03:31 AM

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Originally Posted by mossoholic

If I could bet the house I'd be guaranteed to get back a few hundred grand of the around 600-700k I've missed out on from the project.

I'm selling if I can buy a house.

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Originally Posted by rob80

I have 30 of the Ben Baller Tout's incoming and can't decide if the market is going to hold for a couple days, go up even more, or collapse. Any thoughts on should I list now @ $200 or hold off until they are in hand Thursday?

Hold, I can see them at $350-$375....especially once cards hit the 60-70K print run.

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Originally Posted by TheWrightStuff

Whats is everyone ranking for their favorite overall artists? Mine is

King Saladeen
Siff
Blake
Efdot
Chang
Thiele
Ermsy
Jk5
Beck
Mister Cartoon
Grotesk
Baller
Vides
Shore
Naturel
Rochester
Fucci
Oldmanalan
Don C

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Originally Posted by TheWrightStuff

Yep. I've always been a fan of graffiti style art which is why saladeen is my favorite. I wish I had seen his card at the beginning instead of the others I didnt like which made me stay away.

Ermsy
Baller
Fucci
Thiele

trmpetyjo · 05-26-2020, 03:33 AM

My top three, just personal preference as to what I am drawn towards. I like whimsical folk art stlye the best, but each artist represents their stlye of art very well.
Shore
Ermsy
Saladeen

Ferg1945 · 05-26-2020, 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Archangel1775

Hold, I can see them at $350-$375....especially once cards hit the 60-70K print run.

Totally Agree.

We thought this might be the set High PR and it would take all the stars aligning to come close.... now... its possible Baller Trout might not even be in the top 10 overall once it's said and done.

Archangel1775 · 05-26-2020, 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Ferg1945

Totally Agree.

We thought this might be the set High PR and it would take all the stars aligning to come close.... now... its possible Baller Trout might not even be in the top 10 overall once it's said and done.

I'm still in awe at whats happened since May 1. I feel like the next announced print run will tell us where the set's going and its been going well every week. P2020 has only hit new articles/Beckett......once this goes television, radio and mainstream news...as someone said, its going nuclear.

66_Fiat · 05-26-2020, 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by TheWrightStuff

Whats is everyone ranking for their favorite overall artists? Mine is

King Saladeen
Siff
Blake
Efdot
Chang
Thiele
Ermsy
Jk5
Beck
Mister Cartoon
Grotesk
Baller
Vides
Shore
Naturel
Rochester
Fucci
Oldmanalan
Don C

I dove into the Topps Archives and finally reviewed every release. I was in and out for 20-50 because lack of funds (wife got furloughed), concentrating on my designated player, and slight disinterest.

After looking at them all, I can see why several of these are cracking four digits. This is my ranking without any monetary value assigned.

Siff (finally bought my first one)
Efdot (got all of them)
Jamieson (a few...)
Thiele (a couple)
Shore (none, not even the KGJ)
Beck (none)
Naturel (sold)
Chang (none)
Ermsy (sold and holding)
Saladeen (sold/selling)
JK5 (just purchased)
Taylor (a couple)
Cartoon (none)
Baller (two...for resale)
Grotesk (one)
Fucci (a couple)
Rochester (two)
Vides (none)
OldManAlan (none)

Don C could be anywhere, but I need to see a couple more examples first.

I can see the art in at least one of each artist's releases so far. I truly don't think there's a bad one, because I can't recommend a replacement. There's something for everyone.

Peteybass · 05-26-2020, 04:20 AM

Another one: Cancels in the middle of the night. States Reason Buyer asked to cancel the item(s) in this order'.

https://www.ebay.com/usr/myriatium myriatium

Purchased at Buy it Now A Mays Thiele AP Card Cancelled in the middle of the night after not shipping and no response. Using my resources to resolve this one. Negative Feedback after 7 days. Contacted Followers. Literally stole $1,000's from me.

BOT · 05-26-2020, 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Peteybass

Another one: Cancels in the middle of the night.

https://www.ebay.com/usr/myriatium myriatium

Purchased at Buy it Now A Mays Thiele AP Card Cancelled in the middle of the night after not shipping and no response. Using my resources to resolve this one. Negative Feedback after 7 days. Contacted Followers. Literally stole $1,000's from me.

rough..

zbaseball21 · 05-26-2020, 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Peteybass

Another one: Cancels in the middle of the night.

https://www.ebay.com/usr/myriatium myriatium

Purchased at Buy it Now A Mays Thiele AP Card Cancelled in the middle of the night after not shipping and no response. Using my resources to resolve this one. Negative Feedback after 7 days. Contacted Followers. Literally stole $1,000's from me.

Super harsh.

Ag121 · 05-26-2020, 04:36 AM

Ebay is so buyer friendly that it surprises me that sellers would be relisting cards on the same account they cancelled on ... all it takes is one spiteful buyer to buy a card and claim item not as described, and then they get a free card. When you’re talking that amount of cash I wouldn’t put anything by anyone.

Namttip · 05-26-2020, 04:36 AM

Daily tidbits...

Yesterday
Market Cap: $108,555,999.00

Average Card Price: $510.22

Median: $$365.00

Interesting change in card prices at: 61 Willie Mays King Saladeen

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Today
Market Cap: $140,952,747.00

Average Card Price: $622.95

Median: $439.50

Interesting change in card prices at:66 Ken Griffey Jr. Jacob Rochester

Individual Market Cap

1 Ichiro Ben Baller: $5,914,956.00 (4.4M yesterday)
4 Mike Trout Ermsy: $6,919,447.00 (7.2M yesterday)
51 Mike Trout Ben Baller: $6,850,200.00 (4.4M yesterday)
12 Dwight Gooden Tyson Beck: $3,296,175.00 (2.6M yesterday)
49 Sandy Koufax Andrew Thiele: $655,445.00 (713k yesterday)

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Looks like some resistances / supports are being set

Majority are in 800k - 1M caps range or above

Ermsy Trout went down 300k, but overall cap up about 31M

So those that want to know how far can it go... up to you to figure out your risk.

Namttip · 05-26-2020, 04:37 AM

Going to be one hell of a ride today.... one hell of a mail day today....

05-26-2020, 02:48 AM	#12980
66_Fiat Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Marysville, OH Posts: 3,168	I haven't seen much Efdot chatter with the low print runs. His first two releases were <1500, and his Williams is one of the top ten releases artistically. It's also the card where he hit his stride and made me a collector. Like Blake, Beck, Taylor, and Ermsy, he hasn't strayed in his design. I think this set will absolutely pop when put together. Also, he hasn't done a big name for the set, and is here on the boards! __________________ There is a difference between best hitter and best player. Paying nicely for 2013 and 2015 TTT Pujols "The Machine" patches!

05-26-2020, 03:11 AM	#12986
jfan2024 Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: NJ/NY Posts: 1,955 jfan2024	Art is different to different people. My wife's favorites are Fucci and Shore, Fucci faceless is easily my least favorite and Shore to me is meh so he can copy an elementary school kid's drawing style. But those are what my wife says hold the most artistic value and she's studied art history unlike me. I don't see why we're arguing over artistic merit, buy the cards you like personally! Not everyone has to or is going to agree with you on artistic merit __________________ Instagram: NetsEdge15

05-26-2020, 04:20 AM	#12995
Peteybass Member Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: CA Posts: 368 peteybass01	Another one: Cancels in the middle of the night. States Reason Buyer asked to cancel the item(s) in this order'. https://www.ebay.com/usr/myriatium myriatium Purchased at Buy it Now A Mays Thiele AP Card Cancelled in the middle of the night after not shipping and no response. Using my resources to resolve this one. Negative Feedback after 7 days. Contacted Followers. Literally stole $1,000's from me. Last edited by Peteybass; 05-26-2020 at 04:33 AM.

05-26-2020, 04:36 AM	#12999
Namttip Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 2,980	Daily tidbits... Yesterday Market Cap: $108,555,999.00 Average Card Price: $510.22 Median: $$365.00 Interesting change in card prices at: 61 Willie Mays King Saladeen ---- Today Market Cap: $140,952,747.00 Average Card Price: $622.95 Median: $439.50 Interesting change in card prices at:66 Ken Griffey Jr. Jacob Rochester Individual Market Cap 1 Ichiro Ben Baller: $5,914,956.00 (4.4M yesterday) 4 Mike Trout Ermsy: $6,919,447.00 (7.2M yesterday) 51 Mike Trout Ben Baller: $6,850,200.00 (4.4M yesterday) 12 Dwight Gooden Tyson Beck: $3,296,175.00 (2.6M yesterday) 49 Sandy Koufax Andrew Thiele: $655,445.00 (713k yesterday) ---- Looks like some resistances / supports are being set Majority are in 800k - 1M caps range or above Ermsy Trout went down 300k, but overall cap up about 31M So those that want to know how far can it go... up to you to figure out your risk. __________________ Current Sale Threads: Baseball (https://bit.ly/2GAwPAH) / Basketball (https://bit.ly/2E4nijy) / Football (https://bit.ly/2GAOEiW) / Non-sports (https://bit.ly/2GzaROh) / Vintage (https://bit.ly/2GxLcFE) / Misc (https://bit.ly/2Gyq8z4) / Wrestling (https://bit.ly/2ygjE2f)

05-26-2020, 04:37 AM	#13000
Namttip Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 2,980	Going to be one hell of a ride today.... one hell of a mail day today.... __________________ Current Sale Threads: Baseball (https://bit.ly/2GAwPAH) / Basketball (https://bit.ly/2E4nijy) / Football (https://bit.ly/2GAOEiW) / Non-sports (https://bit.ly/2GzaROh) / Vintage (https://bit.ly/2GxLcFE) / Misc (https://bit.ly/2Gyq8z4) / Wrestling (https://bit.ly/2ygjE2f)

05-26-2020, 03:27 AM	#12988
Ozai75 Member Join Date: Mar 2020 Posts: 40	I need to make a correction. They're not hand painted. He is designing a new fanny pack, but they'll still be hand signed and hand #'ed by him.

05-26-2020, 03:33 AM	#12991
trmpetyjo Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 1,568	My top three, just personal preference as to what I am drawn towards. I like whimsical folk art stlye the best, but each artist represents their stlye of art very well. Shore Ermsy Saladeen

05-26-2020, 04:36 AM	#12998
Ag121 Member Join Date: Apr 2020 Location: Boston Posts: 72	Ebay is so buyer friendly that it surprises me that sellers would be relisting cards on the same account they cancelled on ... all it takes is one spiteful buyer to buy a card and claim item not as described, and then they get a free card. When you’re talking that amount of cash I wouldn’t put anything by anyone.