Topps Project 2020 is the worst product since 1991 Fleer

[dizzydolse]

Originally Posted by tysonbeck

That is correct. Sandy is not behind barbed wire he is breaking through it and standing above it in reference to breaking the format of the card (Horizontal).

Have to appreciate that I am Australian. We are taught nothing about Jewish history or people in school or our culture, there's not one thing I know about their history. I have just learned of the Holocaust and the Jewish tie to it today. Barbed wire is a metaphor for many things. If you read back in this thread I've replied about it multiple times. It has no political/religious reference. Just like Americans know nothing or very little about the history of Aboriginals in Australia and would not expect you to.

Is this a joke? They don't teach you about the Holocaust in school? Do they teach you about WW2?

[Farmkid]

Originally Posted by tysonbeck

That is correct. Sandy is not behind barbed wire he is breaking through it and standing above it in reference to breaking the format of the card (Horizontal).

Have to appreciate that I am Australian. We are taught nothing about Jewish history or people in school or our culture, there's not one thing I know about their history. I have just learned of the Holocaust and the Jewish tie to it today. Barbed wire is a metaphor for many things. If you read back in this thread I've replied about it multiple times. It has no political/religious reference. Just like Americans know nothing or very little about the history of Aboriginals in Australia and would not expect you to.

As soon as you mentioned that you are from Australia, and seeing the barbed wire, it made me recall the movie Rabbit-Proof Fence.

[Snakeonia]

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[Bruvydsb]

Originally Posted by tysonbeck

That is correct. Sandy is not behind barbed wire he is breaking through it and standing above it in reference to breaking the format of the card (Horizontal).

Have to appreciate that I am Australian. We are taught nothing about Jewish history or people in school or our culture, there's not one thing I know about their history. I have just learned of the Holocaust and the Jewish tie to it today. Barbed wire is a metaphor for many things. If you read back in this thread I've replied about it multiple times. It has no political/religious reference. Just like Americans know nothing or very little about the history of Aboriginals in Australia and would not expect you to.

Thank you!

[Snakeonia]

Trout Wednesday doesn’t have the same ring to it.


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[Bob Loblaw]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

It's the right move for today. Great job by Topps.

Why is no card coming out the right move for today? The turmoil in our world has been going on for weeks/months.

[gmoney328]

Originally Posted by tysonbeck

That is correct. Sandy is not behind barbed wire he is breaking through it and standing above it in reference to breaking the format of the card (Horizontal).

Have to appreciate that I am Australian. We are taught nothing about Jewish history or people in school or our culture, there's not one thing I know about their history. I have just learned of the Holocaust and the Jewish tie to it today. Barbed wire is a metaphor for many things. If you read back in this thread I've replied about it multiple times. It has no political/religious reference. Just like Americans know nothing or very little about the history of Aboriginals in Australia and would not expect you to.

There really is a deep history to the Aborigine people. Australians definitely try and honor them. One thing I found interesting when I was in Sydney last year, is that when an Aborigine person dies, their village makes a totem pole like structure for them, each one individual to their personalities and life achievements. I thought that was a cool thing that maybe I would like to have done for myself and family members. Lots of history there.

I did think it was VERY strange that they had animal hospitals exclusively for cats.

[UGLI baby]

[JRX]

So do we get 4 cards tomorrow?

[tnolan816]

Most recent data pull: 6/02/2020 11:00 AM Central

Current Comp of the Set 1-96: $19753

Previous Total Comp of the Set 1-96: $21155 - 6/01/2020 02:30 PM Central

Card # Artist Player Print Run Current Comp
1 Baller Ichiro 1334 1800
2 Rochester Koufax 1135 400
3 Naturel Robinson 1302 500
4 Ermsy Trout 2911 900
5 Fucci Ripken 1205 600
6 Saladeen Griffey 2504 565
7 Grotesk Gibson 1205 475
8 Chang Rivera 1617 360
9 JK5 Williams 1385 415
10 Cartoon Clemente 1844 455
11 Siff Brett 1227 550
12 Beck Gooden 1065 1060
13 Shore Mattingly 1686 345
14 Vides Henderson 1221 450
15 Thiele Mays 1464 295
16 Oldmanalan Gwynn 1302 250
17 Efdot McGwire 1456 250
18 Jamieson Ryan 2623 155
19 Naturel Clemente 1819 165
20 Rochester Ripken 1576 170
21 Taylor Henderson 2104 240
22 Ermsy Ichiro 1972 390
23 Baller Thomas 2836 330
24 Grotesk Gwynn 1441 145
25 Beck Griffey 3707 165
26 Vides Gooden 1101 495
27 Efdot Mays 1480 260
28 Shore McGwire 1199 495
29 Saladeen Jeter 9873 90
30 Siff Ryan 2215 150
31 Chang Robinson 2741 120
32 JK5 Ichiro 1798 240
33 Jamieson Mattingly 2409 170
34 Fucci Williams 1131 380
35 Thiele Trout 13200 100
36 Oldmanalan Koufax 2488 115
37 Beck Ripken 2621 140
38 Ermsy Gooden 1864 250
39 Taylor Jeter 9322 70
40 Naturel Gwynn 2319 120
41 Vides Rivera 2452 90
42 Jamieson Robinson 2980 140
43 Cartoon Brett 2360 130
44 Rochester Thomas 1480 235
45 Grotesk Clemente 1910 150
46 Chang Gibson 1268 300
47 Saladeen Mattingly 2763 130
48 JK5 Mays 1556 190
49 Thiele Koufax 2149 150
50 Siff Ripken 2369 125
51 Baller Trout 34950 55
52 Efdot Ryan 4103 55
53 Taylor Griffey 4236 80
54 Shore Gibson 1451 350
55 Beck Brett 1992 175
56 Oldmanalan Rivera 1127 400
57 Jamieson Henderson 3819 150
58 Ermsy Williams 4859 100
59 Grotesk Jeter 6511 100
60 Naturel McGwire 2687 110
61 Saladeen Mays 5459 65
62 Chang Ichiro 6207 70
63 Fucci Trout 16430 70
64 Vides Gwynn 3368 120
65 Cartoon Gooden 5041 80
66 Rochester Griffey 9356 65
67 Thiele Ryan 7383 65
68 JK5 Clemente 8518 60
69 Siff Mattingly 7900 55
70 Beck Gibson 6757 60
71 Baller Henderson 15741 75
72 Shore Rivera 9545 40
73 Don C Thomas 11969 130
74 Efdot Williams 8897 85
75 Grotesk Brett 5638 75
76 Fucci Koufax 6607 70
77 Saladeen Ichiro 11425 60
78 Oldmanalan Clemente 8610 45
79 Cartoon Robinson 11643 50
80 Chang Mays 10480 45
81 Jamieson McGwire 18205 50
82 Thiele Jeter 20974 45
83 Taylor Thomas 8806 85
84 Ermsy Gibson 14867 40
85 Rochester Trout 33818 40
86 Baller Gooden 25928 60
87 Vides Ryan 64629 19
88 Shore Griffey 99177 20
89 Naturel Koufax 43147 19
90 Oldmanalan Williams 41407 20
91 JK5 Rivera 35330 19
92 Don C Ripken 41392 23
93 Siff Jeter 48465 23
94 Efdot Gwynn 31030 25
95 Cartoon Mattingly 27299 20
96 Fucci Thomas 22911 20

Morning price update bump. Declines largely due to Baller Ichiro dropping ~$600, and Oldmanalan Rivera dropping ~$500 (down to $400 as of last comp).

[SupermanBrandon]

Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw

Why is no card coming out the right move for today? The turmoil in our world has been going on for weeks/months.

Bob...you should stop before you embarrass yourself. We all know you like controversy but this topic, on this day isn't it. Show some class.

[The Accountant]

sites crashing...

[gmoney328]

Originally Posted by tnolan816

Most recent data pull: 6/02/2020 11:00 AM Central

Current Comp of the Set 1-96: $19753

Previous Total Comp of the Set 1-96: $21155 - 6/01/2020 02:30 PM Central

Card # Artist Player Print Run Current Comp
1 Baller Ichiro 1334 1800
2 Rochester Koufax 1135 400
3 Naturel Robinson 1302 500
4 Ermsy Trout 2911 900
5 Fucci Ripken 1205 600
6 Saladeen Griffey 2504 565
7 Grotesk Gibson 1205 475
8 Chang Rivera 1617 360
9 JK5 Williams 1385 415
10 Cartoon Clemente 1844 455
11 Siff Brett 1227 550
12 Beck Gooden 1065 1060
13 Shore Mattingly 1686 345
14 Vides Henderson 1221 450
15 Thiele Mays 1464 295
16 Oldmanalan Gwynn 1302 250
17 Efdot McGwire 1456 250
18 Jamieson Ryan 2623 155
19 Naturel Clemente 1819 165
20 Rochester Ripken 1576 170
21 Taylor Henderson 2104 240
22 Ermsy Ichiro 1972 390
23 Baller Thomas 2836 330
24 Grotesk Gwynn 1441 145
25 Beck Griffey 3707 165
26 Vides Gooden 1101 495
27 Efdot Mays 1480 260
28 Shore McGwire 1199 495
29 Saladeen Jeter 9873 90
30 Siff Ryan 2215 150
31 Chang Robinson 2741 120
32 JK5 Ichiro 1798 240
33 Jamieson Mattingly 2409 170
34 Fucci Williams 1131 380
35 Thiele Trout 13200 100
36 Oldmanalan Koufax 2488 115
37 Beck Ripken 2621 140
38 Ermsy Gooden 1864 250
39 Taylor Jeter 9322 70
40 Naturel Gwynn 2319 120
41 Vides Rivera 2452 90
42 Jamieson Robinson 2980 140
43 Cartoon Brett 2360 130
44 Rochester Thomas 1480 235
45 Grotesk Clemente 1910 150
46 Chang Gibson 1268 300
47 Saladeen Mattingly 2763 130
48 JK5 Mays 1556 190
49 Thiele Koufax 2149 150
50 Siff Ripken 2369 125
51 Baller Trout 34950 55
52 Efdot Ryan 4103 55
53 Taylor Griffey 4236 80
54 Shore Gibson 1451 350
55 Beck Brett 1992 175
56 Oldmanalan Rivera 1127 400
57 Jamieson Henderson 3819 150
58 Ermsy Williams 4859 100
59 Grotesk Jeter 6511 100
60 Naturel McGwire 2687 110
61 Saladeen Mays 5459 65
62 Chang Ichiro 6207 70
63 Fucci Trout 16430 70
64 Vides Gwynn 3368 120
65 Cartoon Gooden 5041 80
66 Rochester Griffey 9356 65
67 Thiele Ryan 7383 65
68 JK5 Clemente 8518 60
69 Siff Mattingly 7900 55
70 Beck Gibson 6757 60
71 Baller Henderson 15741 75
72 Shore Rivera 9545 40
73 Don C Thomas 11969 130
74 Efdot Williams 8897 85
75 Grotesk Brett 5638 75
76 Fucci Koufax 6607 70
77 Saladeen Ichiro 11425 60
78 Oldmanalan Clemente 8610 45
79 Cartoon Robinson 11643 50
80 Chang Mays 10480 45
81 Jamieson McGwire 18205 50
82 Thiele Jeter 20974 45
83 Taylor Thomas 8806 85
84 Ermsy Gibson 14867 40
85 Rochester Trout 33818 40
86 Baller Gooden 25928 60
87 Vides Ryan 64629 19
88 Shore Griffey 99177 20
89 Naturel Koufax 43147 19
90 Oldmanalan Williams 41407 20
91 JK5 Rivera 35330 19
92 Don C Ripken 41392 23
93 Siff Jeter 48465 23
94 Efdot Gwynn 31030 25
95 Cartoon Mattingly 27299 20
96 Fucci Thomas 22911 20

Morning price update bump. Declines largely due to Baller Ichiro dropping ~$600, and Oldmanalan Rivera dropping ~$500 (down to $400 as of last comp).

Your efforts are appreciated, sir.

[Eaglesfan371]

Originally Posted by tnolan816

Most recent data pull: 6/02/2020 11:00 AM Central

Current Comp of the Set 1-96: $19753

Previous Total Comp of the Set 1-96: $21155 - 6/01/2020 02:30 PM Central

Morning price update bump. Declines largely due to Baller Ichiro dropping ~$600, and Oldmanalan Rivera dropping ~$500 (down to $400 as of last comp).

Is your report an SQL pull using Ebay API?

[tnolan816]

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan371

Is your report an SQL pull using Ebay API?

Nope, right now doing it manually and filtering best offers to find actual sold prices. I'll likely automate later, but right now I'm trying to make sense of how to document.

[Kobe101]

Originally Posted by AlexHunter

I disagree, I think for this set, with these artists, and these times- I’m atheist/apathetic/science-driven and even I believe it’s perfect storm for having religious statements/social issues at the forefront. Especially with everything going on now, little additions of that stuff are GREAT reminders of the crazy summer that was/is year 2020.

At what other time could Topps incorporate those things into a set? An ondemand or even packed out products of a direct religion/social issues set is too divisive and is just overall in bad taste.

But, Topps can let stuff like that go in this set and let the artists do what they want to. Pretty much every “final” card sent to Topps has to go back to the artists for legal tweaks anyway. If Topps didn’t want the barbed wire or thought it was too political they would have told beck to change it.

Awesome design Mr. Beck, very well done!


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I agree with you. This set is different and it is the artists work so if they want to add something they should be able to.

And like you said Topps can let it slide and not get hit with bad PR because it is the artists card.

[TheChukler]

What does Topps do if these 5xSaladeen Mattingly never show up? This doesn't look promising.....

[Namttip]

Anyone have any information on Chang's shop? It's under password now...

[superdan49]

Originally Posted by Bruvydsb

I sure hope the barbed wire is not a Holocaust reference.

Does Koufax have a direct link to the Holocaust that I am not aware of?

Should Jesus or a cross be put on the cards of all catholic players?

Jewish = Holocaust????

Yes, I am Jewish.

Not offended, but mildly confused.

Religion has no place on these cards, period.

JK5 put Catholic imagery in the Clemente.

If an artist wants to put religious imagery on a card that is his or her prerogative.

[RyanSwinger]

Originally Posted by tnolan816

Most recent data pull: 6/02/2020 11:00 AM Central

Current Comp of the Set 1-96: $19753

Previous Total Comp of the Set 1-96: $21155 - 6/01/2020 02:30 PM Central

Card # Artist Player Print Run Current Comp
1 Baller Ichiro 1334 1800
2 Rochester Koufax 1135 400
3 Naturel Robinson 1302 500
4 Ermsy Trout 2911 900
5 Fucci Ripken 1205 600
6 Saladeen Griffey 2504 565
7 Grotesk Gibson 1205 475
8 Chang Rivera 1617 360
9 JK5 Williams 1385 415
10 Cartoon Clemente 1844 455
11 Siff Brett 1227 550
12 Beck Gooden 1065 1060
13 Shore Mattingly 1686 345
14 Vides Henderson 1221 450
15 Thiele Mays 1464 295
16 Oldmanalan Gwynn 1302 250
17 Efdot McGwire 1456 250
18 Jamieson Ryan 2623 155
19 Naturel Clemente 1819 165
20 Rochester Ripken 1576 170
21 Taylor Henderson 2104 240
22 Ermsy Ichiro 1972 390
23 Baller Thomas 2836 330
24 Grotesk Gwynn 1441 145
25 Beck Griffey 3707 165
26 Vides Gooden 1101 495
27 Efdot Mays 1480 260
28 Shore McGwire 1199 495
29 Saladeen Jeter 9873 90
30 Siff Ryan 2215 150
31 Chang Robinson 2741 120
32 JK5 Ichiro 1798 240
33 Jamieson Mattingly 2409 170
34 Fucci Williams 1131 380
35 Thiele Trout 13200 100
36 Oldmanalan Koufax 2488 115
37 Beck Ripken 2621 140
38 Ermsy Gooden 1864 250
39 Taylor Jeter 9322 70
40 Naturel Gwynn 2319 120
41 Vides Rivera 2452 90
42 Jamieson Robinson 2980 140
43 Cartoon Brett 2360 130
44 Rochester Thomas 1480 235
45 Grotesk Clemente 1910 150
46 Chang Gibson 1268 300
47 Saladeen Mattingly 2763 130
48 JK5 Mays 1556 190
49 Thiele Koufax 2149 150
50 Siff Ripken 2369 125
51 Baller Trout 34950 55
52 Efdot Ryan 4103 55
53 Taylor Griffey 4236 80
54 Shore Gibson 1451 350
55 Beck Brett 1992 175
56 Oldmanalan Rivera 1127 400
57 Jamieson Henderson 3819 150
58 Ermsy Williams 4859 100
59 Grotesk Jeter 6511 100
60 Naturel McGwire 2687 110
61 Saladeen Mays 5459 65
62 Chang Ichiro 6207 70
63 Fucci Trout 16430 70
64 Vides Gwynn 3368 120
65 Cartoon Gooden 5041 80
66 Rochester Griffey 9356 65
67 Thiele Ryan 7383 65
68 JK5 Clemente 8518 60
69 Siff Mattingly 7900 55
70 Beck Gibson 6757 60
71 Baller Henderson 15741 75
72 Shore Rivera 9545 40
73 Don C Thomas 11969 130
74 Efdot Williams 8897 85
75 Grotesk Brett 5638 75
76 Fucci Koufax 6607 70
77 Saladeen Ichiro 11425 60
78 Oldmanalan Clemente 8610 45
79 Cartoon Robinson 11643 50
80 Chang Mays 10480 45
81 Jamieson McGwire 18205 50
82 Thiele Jeter 20974 45
83 Taylor Thomas 8806 85
84 Ermsy Gibson 14867 40
85 Rochester Trout 33818 40
86 Baller Gooden 25928 60
87 Vides Ryan 64629 19
88 Shore Griffey 99177 20
89 Naturel Koufax 43147 19
90 Oldmanalan Williams 41407 20
91 JK5 Rivera 35330 19
92 Don C Ripken 41392 23
93 Siff Jeter 48465 23
94 Efdot Gwynn 31030 25
95 Cartoon Mattingly 27299 20
96 Fucci Thomas 22911 20

Morning price update bump. Declines largely due to Baller Ichiro dropping ~$600, and Oldmanalan Rivera dropping ~$500 (down to $400 as of last comp).

Really dumb question but can someone tell me what the number is after the PR? Is that average price?

[hpatel1089]

https://twitter.com/SCCTradingCards/...28890396848129

Think this is huge - might be the bottom we see going forward for the top 10 cards

[mudflap02]

If you had “Holocaust” on your “What drives the P2020 thread off the rails” bingo card, go ahead and put a bean in the square.

[redscollector24]

I wish Fucci put a giant set of knockers on his Koufax to symbolize breaking the barrier of the horizontal card design

[JRX]

Originally Posted by mudflap02

If you had “Holocaust” on your “What drives the P2020 thread off the rails” bingo card, go ahead and put a bean in the square.

Its not that he's Jewish, its that he's also famous for sitting out on Yom Kippor. Its natural for a lot of people raised in the west to make that connection.

[tnolan816]

Rochester Koufax only has 33 items listed for sale. Compared to Baller Ichiro at 60+.