2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP - Page 796

mike1498 · 06-07-2020, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by dodgerfanjohn

I actually agree with most of this to some extent(much is already implemented) but good luck to getting any Dem politician to support, esp the union part.

Yeah because once you take away unions from police you'll have to take it away from teachers and other public jonbs as well. I don't see this ending well

rman112 · 06-07-2020, 07:51 PM

Is what the extremists want actually a race war? Going back to a largely segregated society, like we used to have? The only endgame with seeing all this stuff through is violent anarchy.

jdandns · 06-07-2020, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by rman112

How many people have posted in this thread? How many are Trump supporters?

Lots and most.

If people had voted for Trump in 2016 the way he was supported here, he would've easily won the popular vote. I wouldn't say he has fewer ardent backers here in 2020, but there are slightly more people this time arguing back, which fuels the buzzing of the Trump hive, especially when the President does something indefensible, such as his stunt in front of the church, and his cowering in fear since then.

trixstar · 06-07-2020, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by rman112

Did you miss the exact quote from Ellison?

I saw it, what's to say? Let's see what they actually do. I do not forsee 0 police offifers anytime soon.

Astros19 · 06-07-2020, 07:58 PM

Can someone please remind me who the president was the last 2 terms?
A few things....
The grocery aisle racism is just dumb. I spent almost 20 years in that business and the aisles and product placement are based on one thing and only one thing.... profit.

No one can say for sure the makeup of voters here on this message board. No way, no how, no matter how smart a certain poster thinks he is.

Changes need to be made regarding racism with police and society. The only thing I see missing is that only one side is being demanded to change. In my eyes there are a great many things that could drastically improve, from EVERYBODY.

I find it interesting that from my perspective almost everyone here who has shown support for Trump has also admitted he has some serious flaws, yet none to very few of his detractors here would ever admit anything good that he has accomplished.

Defunding the police is just dumb. But if it has to happen I say let it happen and let those who pushed for it suffer the consequences.
Good luck with that.

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preakness · 06-07-2020, 08:00 PM

the anarchists / antifa type groups are cracking up at USA right now

because of the actions of a few idiot cops parts of our country want to get rid of the police
this will not end well

those groups have to be chuckling because they didn't have to do much to stir the pot and have usa self-destruct

rman112 · 06-07-2020, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jdandns

Lots and most.

If people had voted for Trump in 2016 the way he was supported here, he would've easily won the popular vote. I wouldn't say he has fewer ardent backers here in 2020, but there are slightly more people this time arguing back, which fuels the buzzing of the Trump hive, especially when the President does something indefensible, such as his stunt in front of the church, and his cowering in fear since then.

You had a number then. No number now?

rman112 · 06-07-2020, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by trixstar

I saw it, what's to say? Let's see what they actually do. I do not forsee 0 police offifers anytime soon.

What you're saying, and what he's saying.. Two very different things.

Astros19 · 06-07-2020, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jdandns

Lots and most.

If people had voted for Trump in 2016 the way he was supported here, he would've easily won the popular vote. I wouldn't say he has fewer ardent backers here in 2020, but there are slightly more people this time arguing back, which fuels the buzzing of the Trump hive, especially when the President does something indefensible, such as his stunt in front of the church, and his cowering in fear since then.

Or it could be that some of his detractors see how disingenuous some of the left leaning posters here have become and want nothing to do with being lumped together with them.
In otherwords, its much easier to defend Trump and his warts, than it is the left and their obvious cancer.
Or maybe it's because the Democrats can't come up with a candidate worth speaking up for.

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preakness · 06-07-2020, 08:04 PM

I voted Trump in 2016 mainly as anti Hillary vote, anti liberal vote, pro-economy vote

Even though I hate so many things about Trump, I'll end up voting for him in 2020 because I dislike Pelosi and the media and want to see them cry if Trump wins

If Trump loses, oh well. I will probably save time by not watching any more Fox News or CNN after November

2 of the 3 will be dead anyway by November 2024 (Bernie, Donald, Biden)

Fredo!!!

ballhawkdawk · 06-07-2020, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by dodgerfanjohn

The first is that in any case of police misconduct where there is a civil suit, individual officers AND their direct chain of command(IE Captains and Chiefs) need to personally be held responsible for a percentage of the award. This is the ONLY way you will see all bad cops rooted out.

I think that police need to have less probable cause to stop one. This can be achieved by doing away with some infractions, requiring officers to notify anyone they come in contact with that they don’t have to speak with them, or maybe something I haven’t thought of.

The demand for change has to be somewhat informed and realistic. Disbanding entire departments is not at all realistic and engaging in change for the sake of change doesn’t seem to be a very good idea.

I agree with this. A friend of mine proposed something similar... civil suits paid out of the police pension fund. That sounded like a real and actionable plan to me.

rman112 · 06-07-2020, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by preakness

the anarchists / antifa type groups are cracking up at USA right now

because of the actions of a few idiot cops parts of our country want to get rid of the police
this will not end well

those groups have to be chuckling because they didn't have to do much to stir the pot and have usa self-destruct

And the Minnesota AG just so happens to be an Antifa supporter.

kerg · 06-07-2020, 08:12 PM

And we lurch even further towards making Demolition Man the movie that hit on what the future would be like.

Rob Schneider's character : "We're police officers! We're not trained to handle this kind of violence!"

Onions · 06-07-2020, 08:17 PM

You guys though Minneapolis burned last week?, just wait until they remove all the cops. You will see a massive flee from the city to outer areas. Businesses will leave, really anyone with the means to escape will do so. They will take a bath on their property since no one in their right mind would be looking to move into the city.

What a disaster. Hopefully some smarter people will prevail, but the ones in charge have been elected by a democrat heavy population. Part of me hopes they do it just to lay bare the fallacy of liberalism.

Siberian13 · 06-07-2020, 08:17 PM

Is this what we want?

Siberian13 · 06-07-2020, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by trixstar

I saw it, what's to say? Let's see what they actually do. I do not forsee 0 police offifers anytime soon.

Of course not. Just all a bunch of smoke

trixstar · 06-07-2020, 08:21 PM

rman112 · 06-07-2020, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by trixstar

What exactly do you see as happening in a police-less place (which again, the quote from Ellison is what it is..) that currently has the tensions it does now?

Onions · 06-07-2020, 08:38 PM

I am sure things will markedly improve after disbanding the PD.

https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2019/...lis-robberies/

Downtown Minny needs MORE police, not fewer.

GeechQuest · 06-07-2020, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by rman112

What exactly do you see as happening in a police-less place (which again, the quote from Ellison is what it is..) that currently has the tensions it does now?

Does anybody here ACTUALLY believe the police are going away?

It’s even more dumb than the border wall pitch.

Neither will ever happen.

ballhawkdawk · 06-07-2020, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by trixstar

Riots have been taking place all over in areas with police presence. This isn’t like a speculation of, “if we take away the police, riots will happen!” The riots already happened and continue to happen. Unless the logic is that people are rioting to make the police go away.

rman112 · 06-07-2020, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Does anybody here ACTUALLY believe the police are going away?

It’s even more dumb than the border wall pitch.

Neither will ever happen.

I sure hope not. But you've got the Minnesota AG, an Antifa supporter, talking about how the council is to dismantle the police. How else should I interpret that?

Siberian13 · 06-07-2020, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by rman112

I sure hope not. But you've got the Minnesota AG, an Antifa supporter, talking about how the council is to dismantle the police. How else should I interpret that?

As another politician lying.

GeechQuest · 06-07-2020, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by rman112

I sure hope not. But you've got the Minnesota AG, an Antifa supporter, talking about how the council is to dismantle the police. How else should I interpret that?

So you ACTUALLY believe this is a possibility??????

Oy vey!

The President of the United States said we’d have a border wall. Did you actually believe that one too???

I just can’t even understand the mindset of anybody who is actually thinking this “no police” thing is even a possibility.

SleeperCards · 06-07-2020, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by trixstar

It's amusing as hell though.

View Poll Results: Who wins these elections? (you can pick multiple)
Donald Trump	44	53.66%
Joe Biden	38	46.34%
Trump Wins Florida	44	53.66%
Biden Wins Florida	16	19.51%
Trump Wins Georgia	44	53.66%
Biden Wins Georgia	12	14.63%
Trump Wins Ohio	43	52.44%
Biden Wins Ohio	16	19.51%
Trump Wins Pennsylvania	27	32.93%
Biden Wins Pennsylvania	34	41.46%
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06-07-2020, 08:17 PM	#19890
Siberian13 Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 80,207 shiller13	Is this what we want? __________________ Took their ball and went home

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rman112 Banned Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Freedom is Free Again Posts: 40,946	Is what the extremists want actually a race war? Going back to a largely segregated society, like we used to have? The only endgame with seeing all this stuff through is violent anarchy.

06-07-2020, 07:58 PM	#19880
Astros19 Member Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 5,994	Can someone please remind me who the president was the last 2 terms? A few things.... The grocery aisle racism is just dumb. I spent almost 20 years in that business and the aisles and product placement are based on one thing and only one thing.... profit. No one can say for sure the makeup of voters here on this message board. No way, no how, no matter how smart a certain poster thinks he is. Changes need to be made regarding racism with police and society. The only thing I see missing is that only one side is being demanded to change. In my eyes there are a great many things that could drastically improve, from EVERYBODY. I find it interesting that from my perspective almost everyone here who has shown support for Trump has also admitted he has some serious flaws, yet none to very few of his detractors here would ever admit anything good that he has accomplished. Defunding the police is just dumb. But if it has to happen I say let it happen and let those who pushed for it suffer the consequences. Good luck with that. Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk

06-07-2020, 08:00 PM	#19881
preakness Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: In Johnny Ryno's soul Posts: 21,077	the anarchists / antifa type groups are cracking up at USA right now because of the actions of a few idiot cops parts of our country want to get rid of the police this will not end well those groups have to be chuckling because they didn't have to do much to stir the pot and have usa self-destruct

06-07-2020, 08:04 PM	#19885
preakness Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: In Johnny Ryno's soul Posts: 21,077	I voted Trump in 2016 mainly as anti Hillary vote, anti liberal vote, pro-economy vote Even though I hate so many things about Trump, I'll end up voting for him in 2020 because I dislike Pelosi and the media and want to see them cry if Trump wins If Trump loses, oh well. I will probably save time by not watching any more Fox News or CNN after November 2 of the 3 will be dead anyway by November 2024 (Bernie, Donald, Biden) Fredo!!!

06-07-2020, 08:12 PM	#19888
kerg Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: US Posts: 4,129	And we lurch even further towards making Demolition Man the movie that hit on what the future would be like. Rob Schneider's character : "We're police officers! We're not trained to handle this kind of violence!"

06-07-2020, 08:17 PM	#19889
Onions Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 2,230 onion99	You guys though Minneapolis burned last week?, just wait until they remove all the cops. You will see a massive flee from the city to outer areas. Businesses will leave, really anyone with the means to escape will do so. They will take a bath on their property since no one in their right mind would be looking to move into the city. What a disaster. Hopefully some smarter people will prevail, but the ones in charge have been elected by a democrat heavy population. Part of me hopes they do it just to lay bare the fallacy of liberalism.

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trixstar Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Seattle Posts: 24,197 stunner316

06-07-2020, 08:38 PM	#19894
Onions Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 2,230 onion99	I am sure things will markedly improve after disbanding the PD. https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2019/...lis-robberies/ Downtown Minny needs MORE police, not fewer.