2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[rman112]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

That’s a given.

I lean left on most issues but their cancel culture, wanting to restrict freedom of speech, and general PC attitude that they’ve blended with social media posts to create this new “woke” culture has pretty much left me in the dust.

Granted it’s a really small segment of the party, but my god they whine and complain a ton.

The new left is everything I hated about the right wing decades ago, but turned up even higher because instead of just being willfully ignorant they spew their crap with this horrendous smugness and complete hubris.

If these teen white kids weren’t terrified of black people and actually decided to talk to them and listen, my god how the world could change.

I really do think "moderate left" or basically "liberal" has become irrevelant.

Biden is pretty close to that, but I'm not sure that his voting will reveal much. Because so many people dislike Trump. And also, wokeness and anti-Trump go hand in hand.

We've become a society that almost NEEDS extremes. It's insane. Either you're for, or you're against.

You're probably right that it's a small segment. It just gets SO MUCH of the coverage that it becomes so hard to tell sometimes.

[ilovethelakings]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

I’ve wondered what grade school will look like come the next school year. Nobody in my school district has sent an update.

To give you an idea what our classrooms are supposed to look like, here is a pic of what we were sent:

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by BGT Masters

No offense taken. Your reaction, to me is very disheartening though probably more realistic then the fantasy world I live in. 5 hours ago I found myself in a burning building trying to find a disabled woman while all but a couple other people video taped and live streamed it.

I am not from her town, I’ve never been to her house and I don’t know her. Other than her neighbor telling me she was in there and can’t leave the house because of her disability, I don’t even know if she even existed. I really believed everyone was like me but as I took the long walk back to my truck that I left on the on ramp to the expressway, covered in soot carrying her pregnant cat, I noticed dozens of people with their phones out, not helping. One boy even said to his grandpa “I bet you he’s dead” not realizing i was the same guy just with my shirt back on.

I Hope you are just like me but just don’t know it yet. If I needed your help without even giving it a second thought you would help me. I know I would you.

We all wonder how we would react in a situation like that. I hope I'm as brave as you were. I think I would be, but I hope I never have to find out.

[imbluestreak23]

Originally Posted by mike1498

Well if support that before UBI, welfare, unemployment etc. If you invest that money into education (college or trade) then the people who don’t want to take advantage will suffer. We encourage this lazy behavior with social programs. Personally I’d cut social programs and as the government say we’ll pay for you to get a job but if you don’t want work then you can’t take advantage of social programs. I bet you a lot more people would become interested.

I agree with your first take. Cut the social programs.

I disagree with the prediction. I think we have a society of minorities who have become enslaved to the social program. Cutting it...they will be looking for the cheat code (violence, rioting, drugs, gangs, etc). Anything to get by. Might need to go through a generation of that before it balances out over 15-20 years.

Affirmative action to me is the most racist thing though. Eff the NFL for their blatantly racist proposal to reward teams who hire based on their skin color.

[TheFrenzy]

How we can make more progress on race in three days than we have in the last three decades:

As Robin Diangelo (the sociologist who coined the term "white fragility") said in an interview with NPR yesterday: "Racism is what happens when you back one group's racial bias with legal authority and institutional control....When you back one group's collective bias with that kind of power, it is transformed into a far-reaching system. It becomes the default. It's automatic. It's not dependent on your agreement or belief or approval. It's circulating 24/7, 365....We've been taught to think about a racist as someone who consciously and intentionally seeks to hurt people based on race. And if that's what you think it means to be racist, then of course it's offensive that I would say you were racist. That's not what I mean by that....All of the racism I've perpetrated in my life was neither conscious nor intentional, but harmful to other people nonetheless."

So, given that the term "racist" (according to activist academics) is not meant to be an offensive term or to assign blame (because it isn't "dependent on your agreement or belief or approval"), then the quickest way to get conservatives to be willing to have the conversation on systemic racism would be for every white and white-passing activist and academic to tweet out #IAmARacist.

De-weaponize the term.

Remove the stigma.

If the system of white supremacy is everywhere and every white/white-passing individual benefits from it regardless of their "agreement or belief or approval," then those who are pushing to have the conversation should be the first to take the plunge and break the ice.

It would completely alter the dynamics of issue.

[BGT Masters]

Originally Posted by Astros19

We all wonder how we would react in a situation like that. I hope I'm as brave as you were. I think I would be, but I hope I never have to find out.

I’d hope you are or else what’s the point. Being “brave” does come with its own price. I never found the lady.

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

I agree with your first take. Cut the social programs.

I disagree with the prediction. I think we have a society of minorities who have become enslaved to the social program. Cutting it...they will be looking for the cheat code (violence, rioting, drugs, gangs, etc). Anything to get by. Might need to go through a generation of that before it balances out over 15-20 years.

Affirmative action to me is the most racist thing though. Eff the NFL for their blatantly racist proposal to reward teams who hire based on their skin color.

That second part can be true to some. Some are not provided education and some choose not to take it. Regardless the ones who want to be productive citizens in our society should not be punished by the ones who don’t. People who want to sell drugs as an alternative will eventually be caught in their own game. This statement would be true regardless if you funded education or not

[Astros19]

I'm quickly losing any sympathy I once had for the human race.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/man-crushe...050219545.html

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[ilovethelakings]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

I can actually see the “they put MLK Blvd in solely in the black neighborhoods because they’re racist” as a charter issue started by some White 19 year old woke Poli-Sci undergrad who would only walk down MLK in a city for an IG post.

When I think of MLK Blvd, I think of Chris Rock. NSFW

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

How we can make more progress on race in three days than we have in the last three decades:

As Robin Diangelo (the sociologist who coined the term "white fragility") said in an interview with NPR yesterday: "Racism is what happens when you back one group's racial bias with legal authority and institutional control....When you back one group's collective bias with that kind of power, it is transformed into a far-reaching system. It becomes the default. It's automatic. It's not dependent on your agreement or belief or approval. It's circulating 24/7, 365....We've been taught to think about a racist as someone who consciously and intentionally seeks to hurt people based on race. And if that's what you think it means to be racist, then of course it's offensive that I would say you were racist. That's not what I mean by that....All of the racism I've perpetrated in my life was neither conscious nor intentional, but harmful to other people nonetheless."

So, given that the term "racist" (according to activist academics) is not meant to be an offensive term or to assign blame (because it isn't "dependent on your agreement or belief or approval"), then the quickest way to get conservatives to be willing to have the conversation on systemic racism would be for every white and white-passing activist and academic to tweet out #IAmARacist.

De-weaponize the term.

Remove the stigma.

If the system of white supremacy is everywhere and every white/white-passing individual benefits from it regardless of their "agreement or belief or approval," then those who are pushing to have the conversation should be the first to take the plunge and break the ice.

It would completely alter the dynamics of issue.

So they want us to take the Billy Madison Pee pants approach to racism?

This goes into the bin of looney ideas that sound great in your head, but didn’t get filtered out by your brain well enough. Racism is bad, it will always be bad. The continual redefining of racism and moving the target isn’t helping anyone. It’s just worsening the problem.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

So they want us to take the Billy Madison Pee pants approach to racism?

This goes into the bin of looney ideas that sound great in your head, but didn’t get filtered out by your brain well enough. Racism is bad, it will always be bad. The continual redefining of racism and moving the target isn’t helping anyone. It’s just worsening the problem.

Well Meaning White Person - "I am a racist".

Left - "Ah ha! We knew it all along, you POS nazi!"

:: Proceeds to ruin WLWP's life on social media ::

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

thats all good in theory, but it doesnt matter how much money you throw at education or what color your skin is if you and your family are not willing to put in the effort to learn, work, and be a productive member of society. white privilege and systemic racism are a crutch for people that want to be victims and take the easy way out. im not saying there is no such thing as privileges or racism (we can all give examples of all races having certain privileges or racism against others), but i call bs that its so widespread across america its keeping down a whole race. how many teachers have said its pitiful to watch this new generation have no interest in learning and no support at home to aide in success. people can use excuses blaming our country's history, the government, police, etc but imo its laziness and poor parenting. this is not a one sided issue. if everyone wants things to be better, then everyone needs to look at their self in the mirror and ask how can i be better.

Boom. Well said. Accountability starts in the mirror and most especially at home. We can all point to some other group or person that had a head start, but that isn’t something you can control. Put forth the effort to not only catch up but to blow past them.

I consume a good bit of personal enrichment material, and one of the philosophies I apply to myself is that my life is my fault. Everything that happens to me — good, bad, and even lucky or unlucky, it’s my fault. It’s not to be taken literally, but it’s a mindset that shifts the default response from, “who can I blame?” to “how can I do better?” or “what could I have done better?” I believe problem solving in life is a skill that can be improved, but it has to start with 100% accountability. Saying “it’s his fault” or “it’s their fault” gives you an out, and then you’re just sitting there waiting for the other person or group to solve YOUR problems.

I’ve met a lot of black people as part of my job that have a work ethic and resolve that inspires me. Some have wealth. Some live in the ghetto but their house is mint on the inside. Some put three kids through college on a modest salary. One guy I remember is this homeless dude I took to lunch. I never do this, but that day I was feeling good and wanted to do something nice. His name was Charles. He had 22 kids from 7 women and was living in a tent with his current wife. He couldn’t get a job that didn’t pay cash because the government would take all his money for child support. He had some issues in his upbringing that he felt contributed to this recklessness. Super nice guy and I really felt for him, but the ripple effect of just this one man is immense. 22 kids who have no relationship with their father.

I’m not perfect. I have two children with two women... my son with my ex-girlfriend and my daughter with my wife. I’ve had my son every single weekend (except the lockdowns, which is why I’m irate at the hypocrisy of the Democrats). It’s because I love my son and want to be as involved in his life as possible, but I also believe that a strong relationship with a father adds emotional stability and gives a much better chance for success in life. But for some reason only a handful of people want to talk about this. If we really care about helping, then let’s focus on some of these issues and not just parrot “systemic racism” and “white privilege.” The whole picture matters.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by BGT Masters

No offense taken. Your reaction, to me is very disheartening though probably more realistic then the fantasy world I live in. 5 hours ago I found myself in a burning building trying to find a disabled woman while all but a couple other people video taped and live streamed it.

I am not from her town, I’ve never been to her house and I don’t know her. Other than her neighbor telling me she was in there and can’t leave the house because of her disability, I don’t even know if she even existed. I really believed everyone was like me but as I took the long walk back to my truck that I left on the on ramp to the expressway, covered in soot carrying her pregnant cat, I noticed dozens of people with their phones out, not helping. One boy even said to his grandpa “I bet you he’s dead” not realizing i was the same guy just with my shirt back on.

I Hope you are just like me but just don’t know it yet. If I needed your help without even giving it a second thought you would help me. I know I would you.

You’re a bad man. Much respect. I’d love to think I’d do the same, but I’m not going to give myself that kind of credit until I do something that heroic.

[jlzinck]

Originally Posted by coltsnsox07

The Milwaukee PD caught these nice people looting a bunch of stores here, including a friend of mines place.
Terry Gilbert, 26, burglary-building or dwelling
Lamont Nelson, 48, burglary-building or dwelling
Samuel Daniels, 18, burglary-building or dwelling
Desmond Givens, 18, burglary-building or dwelling, identity theft-obtain money or credit
Marcus Coleman, 31, burglary-building or dwelling
Isaiah Allen, 26, burglary-building or dwelling
Octavian Miller, 26, burglary-building or dwelling, as party to a crime
Jerry Burks, 25, burglary-building or dwelling
Marissa Jones, 19, burglary-building or dwelling
Amondre Brooks, 18, burglary-building or dwelling, as party to a crime

Very sexist list.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by jlzinck

Very sexist list.

#MaleLivesMatter

[jlzinck]

So Gone With The Wind was pulled from HBO. Now people are bitching about Blazing Saddles not being pulled. All the woke white people are telling everyone who will listen that BS was satire, which it was.
BUT, Blazing Saddles could never be remade today because these same woke white people would bitch about that.

[pac213up]

Originally Posted by Astros19

I'm quickly losing any sympathy I once had for the human race.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/man-crushe...050219545.html

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I know it's crazy out there.

[Noles939913]

Originally Posted by petesahuttt

In a theater, yes, a paid streaming service, as many times as you want to feel good about your choices


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You’re passive aggressive PC policing is truly something worth being applauded for. Now let’s only hope you’re brave enough to do it in the real world.

[trixstar]

Originally Posted by jlzinck

So Gone With The Wind was pulled from HBO. Now people are bitching about Blazing Saddles not being pulled. All the woke white people are telling everyone who will listen that BS was satire, which it was.
BUT, Blazing Saddles could never be remade today because these same woke white people would bitch about that.

Yea I thought this was utterly ridiculous

[preakness]

Originally Posted by coltsnsox07

The Milwaukee PD caught these nice people looting a bunch of stores here, including a friend of mines place.
Terry Gilbert, 26, burglary-building or dwelling
Lamont Nelson, 48, burglary-building or dwelling
Samuel Daniels, 18, burglary-building or dwelling
Desmond Givens, 18, burglary-building or dwelling, identity theft-obtain money or credit
Marcus Coleman, 31, burglary-building or dwelling
Isaiah Allen, 26, burglary-building or dwelling
Octavian Miller, 26, burglary-building or dwelling, as party to a crime
Jerry Burks, 25, burglary-building or dwelling
Marissa Jones, 19, burglary-building or dwelling
Amondre Brooks, 18, burglary-building or dwelling, as party to a crime

Based off the names.. Polish Mafia Crew?

[TASS]

Originally Posted by Astros19

I'm quickly losing any sympathy I once had for the human race.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/man-crushe...050219545.html

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What a numb skull.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by Astros19

I'm quickly losing any sympathy I once had for the human race.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/man-crushe...050219545.html

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I really don't understand how cities are just letting people do this. I mean, the guy in Auburn was sentenced to prison for 3 years for poisoning a tree ... why are people allowed to deface and destroy public property now?

In a normal world, should the guy who had the statue fall on him die; those responsible could and should be charged w/ felony murder. Let's go already; watching these statues and monuments torn down, places of business burned out is just insane. STOP.

[pac213up]

If Trump was upset by the left leaning CNN poll....I wonder he feels about the right leaning approval poll from Ras?

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub..._index_history

[techtre2003]

RE: ballhawkdawk - Sorry, my quote function doesn't work half the time


Great post. I was thinking about my "white privilege" this morning and to me it comes down to my parents. I was taught life isn't fair. If you want something you don't sit around wishing for it you go out and make it happen. They taught me right from wrong and when I did right I was praised, when I did wrong I was punished. They taught me to be polite and respectful. They taught me that if police pull me over - even if unwarranted - to be respectful (yes sir, no sir) and do as they say. There's many other things but I'll stop there. I don't know a lot of black people but from everything I've read and looking at statistics many young blacks (and if we're being honest many young whites these days) don't get that kind of upbringing. It's terrible that's the way it is and I have sympathy for them; but how am I supposed to change that?

[techtre2003]

Originally Posted by pac213up

If Trump was upset by the left leaning CNN poll....I wonder he feels about the right leaning approval poll from Ras?

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub..._index_history

Fake News!
As a Trump voter, I can say his hissy fit about polls is very off putting.