1986 Fleer Jordan Authentication Help

lakerman34 · 06-11-2020, 05:51 PM

Hi All,

I recently purchased the 86 Fleer Jordan.

I was wondering if you all could take a look at it and give your opinion about its authenticity?

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sumofallvices · 06-11-2020, 05:58 PM

Not authentic.

lakerman34 · 06-11-2020, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by sumofallvices

Not authentic.

And your reasoning?

It has all the tell-tale signs of an authentic card (at least to my eye) except for the fact I didn't pull it from the pack myself.

sumofallvices · 06-11-2020, 06:03 PM

Get a closer picture of the arrow next to 'Premier' on the front. It's hard to tell from your picture, but a real one should be darker orange and have black dots in it.

https://www.cardboardconnection.com/...an-rookie-card

lakerman34 · 06-11-2020, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by sumofallvices

Get a closer picture of the arrow next to 'Premier' on the front. It's hard to tell from your picture, but a real one should be darker orange and have black dots in it.

https://www.cardboardconnection.com/...an-rookie-card

Thank you!

Yes, admittedly, it's not in hand YET (I just paid a pretty penny for it, but the seller was guaranteeing authenticity and unaltered, said that if I was unhappy, he'd over full refund as per eBay policy).

So we shall see.

glen87 · 06-11-2020, 06:09 PM

why do people ask these questions AFTER buying instead of BEFORE

hxcmilkshake · 06-11-2020, 06:12 PM

Its a no for me dawg. Yellow and black border a hot mess.

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sumofallvices · 06-11-2020, 06:17 PM

Did you pay for it yet? I have a feeling this is going to be a nightmare.

lakerman34 · 06-11-2020, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by sumofallvices

Did you pay for it yet? I have a feeling this is going to be a nightmare.

I did, eBay, buyer protection, I'm good.

The seller seems like a legitimate guy, so I thought I'd take a chance, and we both acknowledged that eBay allows for returns, he seemed cool with it.

At best, I've got a badass card. At worst, I'll get my money back. I'm OK with this risk.

lakerman34 · 06-11-2020, 06:21 PM

Also, I've JUST purchased a Terry Teagle from the set for $2. I'll use it to compare.

lakerman34 · 06-11-2020, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by hxcmilkshake

Its a no for me dawg. Yellow and black border a hot mess.

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How are the black and yellow supposed to look? I found this guide, and will measure it up against it:

https://bbcemporium.com/index.php?st...olden%20color.

lakerman34 · 06-11-2020, 06:33 PM

I did ask him for a flag photo before purchasing. I thought it was promising (especially because the triangle is a little darker in color, and a dot matrix printer was used to print the card, clearly).

He claims his dad pulled it from a pack years ago and it has lived in a top loader for its entire life. He says he and his dad were huge Jordan fans (if you look at his store, he has about 20 other Jordan's for sale, so I thought the narrative made some sense).

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lakerman34 · 06-11-2020, 06:34 PM

Flag

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hxcmilkshake · 06-11-2020, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by lakerman34

How are the black and yellow supposed to look? I found this guide, and will measure it up against it:

https://bbcemporium.com/index.php?st...olden%20color.

It could be your pic. Looks broken and image is off. Good luck tho.

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yaoming · 06-11-2020, 07:16 PM

Do you mind sharjng the seller Id here
It s fake, when you see a lot of these fleer, this one clearly stands out as a fake . Picture is way darker

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lakerman34 · 06-11-2020, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by yaoming

Do you mind sharjng the seller Id here
It s fake, when you see a lot of these fleer, this one clearly stands out as a fake . Picture is way darker

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We'll see. I wouldn't be too certain about it being way too dark without seeing it in person first. Take this PSA authenticated Jordan, for example.

I'll be sure to report back what I think about the Jordan when I receive it, but given that USPS is very slow right now, that may be in 2 weeks.

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Dontom · 06-11-2020, 08:18 PM

You seem to be convinced it's real despite several people telling you it looks fake. Why start a tread if your mind is already made up. Anyway it looks fake to me but I would need to see better pics to tell for sure. Just the fact that it was sold raw on ebay in a toploader is not very promising.

lakerman34 · 06-11-2020, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Dontom

You seem to be convinced it's real despite several people telling you it looks fake. Why start a tread if your mind is already made up. Anyway it looks fake to be but I would need to see better pics to tell for sure. Just the fact that it was sold raw on ebay in a toploader is not very promising.

Convinced? Interesting that you think that.

I dont think its fake, but will get a better, in-person look.

If I were convinced, I wouldn't post on this forum, and I wouldn't buy a base card from the set to compare it to.

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mc1 · 06-11-2020, 08:23 PM

It looks good to me. The pictures are horrible. Need pics of the card without any sleeve/toploader.

In hand you should be able to determine authenticity 100%.

Deadshot · 06-11-2020, 08:24 PM

The least the seller could do is take the card out of the sleeve and toploader for pictures.

glen87 · 06-11-2020, 08:25 PM

you bought a RAW jordan rookie from a seller on ebay with an 11 for FB and none as a seller who has already "sold" this very same card just about 4 weeks ago?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1986-fleer-...p2047675.l2557
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1986-fleet-...p2047675.l2557

lakerman34 · 06-11-2020, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by glen87

you bought a RAW jordan rookie from a seller on ebay with an 11 for FB and none as a seller who has already "sold" this very same card just about 4 weeks ago?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1986-fleer-...p2047675.l2557
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1986-fleet-...p2047675.l2557

It didn't sell first time around.

I asked him about that, too.

He did a good job answering my questions, but no way to tell until I have it in hand.

Any ways, he sold it as 'original,' and with Buyer Protection, you have 180 days to file a dispute, if necessary.

This is a measured risk.

lakerman34 · 06-11-2020, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by mc1

It looks good to me. The pictures are horrible. Need pics of the card without any sleeve/toploader.

In hand you should be able to determine authenticity 100%.

I agree.

Dontom · 06-11-2020, 08:48 PM

Considering he's selling other Jordan reprints as original I would say you have nothing to worry about.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1986-Star-M...kAAOSwUg5eyo9o

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1985-star-g...gAAOSwy8ReyS-L

Rickey · 06-11-2020, 09:01 PM

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06-11-2020, 05:51 PM	#1
lakerman34 Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: somewhere in michigan...for now... Posts: 729 tsirisportscards1	1986 Fleer Jordan Authentication Help Hi All, I recently purchased the 86 Fleer Jordan. I was wondering if you all could take a look at it and give your opinion about its authenticity? Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk __________________ http://www.instagram.com/tsirisportscards

06-11-2020, 06:09 PM	#6
glen87 Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: VERMONT Posts: 75,115 glen87 glen87	why do people ask these questions AFTER buying instead of BEFORE __________________ collecting James Madison University players of all sports JMU cards: https://www.flickr.com/photos/jmucards/ other cards: https://www.flickr.com/photos/glen87/albums

06-11-2020, 06:21 PM	#10
lakerman34 Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: somewhere in michigan...for now... Posts: 729 tsirisportscards1	Also, I've JUST purchased a Terry Teagle from the set for $2. I'll use it to compare. __________________ http://www.instagram.com/tsirisportscards

06-11-2020, 06:33 PM	#12
lakerman34 Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: somewhere in michigan...for now... Posts: 729 tsirisportscards1	I did ask him for a flag photo before purchasing. I thought it was promising (especially because the triangle is a little darker in color, and a dot matrix printer was used to print the card, clearly). He claims his dad pulled it from a pack years ago and it has lived in a top loader for its entire life. He says he and his dad were huge Jordan fans (if you look at his store, he has about 20 other Jordan's for sale, so I thought the narrative made some sense). Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk __________________ http://www.instagram.com/tsirisportscards

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06-11-2020, 05:58 PM	#2
sumofallvices Member Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 302	Not authentic.

06-11-2020, 06:03 PM	#4
sumofallvices Member Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 302	Get a closer picture of the arrow next to 'Premier' on the front. It's hard to tell from your picture, but a real one should be darker orange and have black dots in it. https://www.cardboardconnection.com/...an-rookie-card

06-11-2020, 06:12 PM	#7
hxcmilkshake Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Apopka FL Posts: 11,705 hxcmilkshake	Its a no for me dawg. Yellow and black border a hot mess. Sent from my SM-G981U using Tapatalk

06-11-2020, 06:17 PM	#8
sumofallvices Member Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 302	Did you pay for it yet? I have a feeling this is going to be a nightmare.

06-11-2020, 07:16 PM	#15
yaoming Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,824	Do you mind sharjng the seller Id here It s fake, when you see a lot of these fleer, this one clearly stands out as a fake . Picture is way darker Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

06-11-2020, 08:18 PM	#17
Dontom Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: Chicago area Posts: 247	You seem to be convinced it's real despite several people telling you it looks fake. Why start a tread if your mind is already made up. Anyway it looks fake to me but I would need to see better pics to tell for sure. Just the fact that it was sold raw on ebay in a toploader is not very promising. Last edited by Dontom; 06-11-2020 at 08:34 PM.

06-11-2020, 08:23 PM	#19
mc1 Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 11,208	It looks good to me. The pictures are horrible. Need pics of the card without any sleeve/toploader. In hand you should be able to determine authenticity 100%. __________________ B.I.D.

06-11-2020, 08:24 PM	#20
Deadshot Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 7,694	The least the seller could do is take the card out of the sleeve and toploader for pictures. __________________ He said he name was “E”, so I introduced myself as “G”...The license plate said “IMNBITZ” or “IMNBISZ” or something. - G YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPuD3WYJ0rkpLqDdyavC2WA

06-11-2020, 08:25 PM	#21
glen87 Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: VERMONT Posts: 75,115 glen87 glen87	you bought a RAW jordan rookie from a seller on ebay with an 11 for FB and none as a seller who has already "sold" this very same card just about 4 weeks ago? https://www.ebay.com/itm/1986-fleer-...p2047675.l2557 https://www.ebay.com/itm/1986-fleet-...p2047675.l2557 __________________ collecting James Madison University players of all sports JMU cards: https://www.flickr.com/photos/jmucards/ other cards: https://www.flickr.com/photos/glen87/albums

06-11-2020, 08:48 PM	#24
Dontom Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: Chicago area Posts: 247	Considering he's selling other Jordan reprints as original I would say you have nothing to worry about. https://www.ebay.com/itm/1986-Star-M...kAAOSwUg5eyo9o https://www.ebay.com/itm/1985-star-g...gAAOSwy8ReyS-L

06-11-2020, 09:01 PM	#25
Rickey Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 485	..... Last edited by Rickey; 11-02-2021 at 07:43 PM.