2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[56LightsOut56]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

He lied to the FBI twice about conversations he had with the Russians.

He also admitted to the FBI he lied

I'm sure you are replying to me as we speak as to why he was even questioned by the FBI after being cleared on 1/4/17.

As incoming NSA I would hope that he had contact with the Russian....,it's his job to.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

If you and Trump want to send your children to war, be my guest. Mine will not go for a needless war.

Trump has the been the least warmongering President that I've seen in my lifetime. The opposite of a warmongerer, really.

[Jgil316]

Originally Posted by 56LightsOut56

I'm sure you are replying to me as we speak as to why he was even questioned by the FBI after being cleared on 1/4/17.

As incoming NSA I would hope that he had contact with the Russian....,it's his job to.

Are you implying that he was justified to lie?

Or

Are you implying the questioning was not lawful since he was cleared - and since he was cleared, that lying to the FBI (although against the law) was justified?

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by rman112

Trump has the been the least warmongering President that I've seen in my lifetime. The opposite of a warmongerer, really.

A coldongerer?

[tpeichel34]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

I am having a hard time understanding how in the hell - anyone can say Trump has been treated unfairly by the media when he has Fox News (AON, Rush) all absolutely gushing over everything he says and does..........

Stop crying and defending this guy when he has his attack (opinion hosts) spinning everything he does as gold and attacking anyone who oppose him.

Is it fair to report that he said the white supremacists were fine people, when he clearly did not say it? It wasn’t just a time or two. The media said it so often that many people still believe it is true.

And trying to get to the truth is not “crying”. We wouldn’t need to spend so much time refuting what the MSM claims if so many people weren’t still falling for it.

[calculusdork]

A lot of you here (and everywhere) spend a LOT of time talking "right vs left", "Democrat vs Republican", "conservative vs liberal".

IMO, the real war in the U.S. is (or is becoming) straight up "capitalism vs socialism". In this sense, what TheFrenzy is posting from the reports about Russian collusion makes perfect sense. Socialistic societies want to undermine and destroy capitalistic societies.

I'd like to make a recommendation. Ignore right/left and D/R as much as possible, and focus on what the media is saying about capitalism and socialism -- politically and economically. If you view the media through that lens, I think you'll see that the vast, VAST majority of news media and social media are unashamedly in favor of a less capitalistic, more socialistic country.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by calculusdork

A lot of you here (and everywhere) spend a LOT of time talking "right vs left", "Democrat vs Republican", "conservative vs liberal".

IMO, the real war in the U.S. is (or is becoming) straight up "capitalism vs socialism". In this sense, what TheFrenzy is posting from the reports about Russian collusion makes perfect sense. Socialistic societies want to undermine and destroy capitalistic societies.

I'd like to make a recommendation. Ignore right/left and D/R as much as possible, and focus on what the media is saying about capitalism and socialism -- politically and economically. If you view the media through that lens, I think you'll see that the vast, VAST majority of news media and social media are unashamedly in favor of a less capitalistic, more socialistic country.

There should be much more focus on who is actually in charge of running the mainstream media companies. But that obviously isn't going to come from the mainstream media.

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

People lose interest when you continuously cry wolf. Most of what gets negatively posted about Trump is easily dismissed.

Just yesterday you said Trump has never done anything about Russia and posted a weak list of “Trump said” and “Trump thought” which was rebutted with a list of 50+ actions taken against Russia. And then you had to cut the grass and we all moved on.

The recent hot one was “what about the bounty... why didn’t Trump do anything???” NeedChapmans posted a source starting Trump never received this intel. And then it’s met with “LOL of course not. He can’t figure out a juice box and was busy golfing.” Okay?

The endless demand for an opinion every time Trump farts is pointless. When your sole goal is to criticize, it’s easy to navigate your way through any rebuttals with sarcasm, dismissals, assumptions, and “gotta go... yard work.” I’ve been hearing about Trump being investigated for one thing or another since he got into office. He’s still there. We can assume that it’s all nonsense, or else he’d have been removed from office by now, or we can assume there’s some big conspiracy to keep him as president. For as terrible as this man is (allegedly), he’s still there, with an entire political party and the media 100% against him. This is the best they’ve got?

Whoops, missed this gem.

Dismissed by those with their heads in the sand.
It's not "crying wolf" when there's a wolf.

Trump is a constant liar and not a single word from his mouth can be believed. Ever. Don't you get that?

Again, that other list was State Department actions, not things Trump himself said and did. You claim Trump stays up on their day-to-day activities even as he ignores his own daily briefings?
Right.

Trump was impeached.
The case was proven.
Corrupt GOP Senators (save one) left him in office.
The country suffers today as a direct result of that.

Originally Posted by Jgil316

Are you implying that he was justified to lie?

Or

Are you implying the questioning was not lawful since he was cleared - and since he was cleared, that lying to the FBI (although against the law) was justified?

The reason the White House gave for Flynn's ouster was that he lied to VP Pence. Now Pence himself routinely lies on Trump's behalf.

It's a loooooooooong way down.

[tpeichel34]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

I can’t help but think that this is incredibly relevant to current events.

And it’s not just Russia, China is probably worse. Not sure why they are getting a pass. And the truth is that WE are likely doing the same things to them.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by mike1498

This is going to seem odd but I think it will help the market recorrect. There has been an over saturation of oil for years and companies kept taking out large amounts of debt to try to sustain their operations. This has cut into everyone’s profits and companies that had good balance sheets were being punished because small companies were leveraging most of their operations on debt.

agree.


I think there is going to be significant consolidation in the oil industry: mergers/buyouts/bankruptcies.

[Jgil316]

Originally Posted by tpeichel34

Is it fair to report that he said the white supremacists were fine people, when he clearly did not say it? It wasn’t just a time or two. The media said it so often that many people still believe it is true.

And trying to get to the truth is not “crying”. We wouldn’t need to spend so much time refuting what the MSM claims if so many people weren’t still falling for it.

On August 25, 2017 - after Charlottesville VA - Trump stated "You also had very fine people on both sides" regarding violent protests.

https://www.politifact.com/article/2...sides-remarks/

[calculusdork]

Originally Posted by rman112

There should be much more focus on who is actually in charge of running the mainstream media companies. But that obviously isn't going to come from the mainstream media.

I guarantee you it's a small group of people who believe they are smarter than all of us and who know exactly what we need.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by jdandns

Whoops, missed this gem.

Dismissed by those with their heads in the sand.
It's not "crying wolf" when there's a wolf.

Trump is a constant liar and not a single word from his mouth can be believed. Ever. Don't you get that?

Again, that other list was State Department actions, not things Trump himself said and did. You claim Trump stays up on their day-to-day activities even as he ignores his own daily briefings?
Right.

Trump was impeached.
The case was proven.
Corrupt GOP Senators (save one) left him in office.
The country suffers today as a direct result of that.

You literally can't help yourself. Some people are drug addicts. Some are drunks. You can't go more than a short time of acting normal before scratching the 'Hate Trump' itch.

[tpeichel34]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

And Trump is a completely different animal when dealing with the media. It goes both ways.

Barry Bonds - one of the greatest players ever. He was surly towards and, he was disgusted by the press. The press treated him back the same and rightfully so.

I think it was David Wright or Pujols? who was loved by the media. Even after losses, Wright (or Pujols) would stick around for an hour after the game speaking. He was treated fairly from what I know.

Apply that to Donnie Dementia. He calls them fake news. John Bolton even wrote that Trump stated that journalists should be executed because they are scumbags.

Be truthful, be sincere, be respectful and you will most likely get the same treatment back. It may not always be nice but if it is a reputable media source, it would be fair in the criticism.

Like how they treated Romney and McCain when they ran?

[rman112]

Originally Posted by tpeichel34

And it’s not just Russia, China is probably worse. Not sure why they are getting a pass. And the truth is that WE are likely doing the same things to them.

"Shut your mouth!"

- LeBron

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by rman112

You literally can't help yourself. Some people are drug addicts. Some are drunks. You can't go more than a short time of acting normal before scratching the 'Hate Trump' itch.

Is that the same as your collective's endless "Media! Media! Media!" chant?
Better or worse?

Yawn.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by jdandns

Is that the same as your collective's endless "Media! Media! Media!" chant?
Better or worse?

Yawn.

Is there something inaccurate I've said about the media?

[tpeichel34]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

How many were found guilty?

Mueller also said there was a lot of lying going on as well.

Plus, Trump and his personal attorney, Barr are unraveling judgements.

One more thing, the Republican Senate (with the exception of Romney).




Who was cheering?

BTW, I always gave Trump props for standing down after that disaster he caused. If he retaliated after Iran hit our base in Iraq, we would be at war right now. If you and Trump want to send your children to war, be my guest. Mine will not go for a needless war.

And you want Biden who will certainly revert back to the Neocon globalist playbook of the Bush/Obama/Clinton years?

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by tpeichel34

And it’s not just Russia, China is probably worse. Not sure why they are getting a pass. And the truth is that WE are likely doing the same things to them.

Also Iran. The Iranians have developed a few programs similar to the Russians and their troll farms.

China is probably the most overt and least concerned with trying infiltrate. You can visit places like r/sino and read straight up propaganda. It’s like they think that brute force is how you control a narrative.

Iran was pretty obvious about it too back during the stretch from November to January when we had the tanker conflicts and the missile exchanges.

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by rman112

"Shut your mouth!"

- LeBron

Just like he did with Na’Kia Crawford.......

[rcmb3220]

Originally Posted by tpeichel34

Is it fair to report that he said the white supremacists were fine people, when he clearly did not say it? It wasn’t just a time or two. The media said it so often that many people still believe it is true.

And trying to get to the truth is not “crying”. We wouldn’t need to spend so much time refuting what the MSM claims if so many people weren’t still falling for it.

Nobody “falls for it”. They seek it out. They have a predetermined belief and search out confirmation. Their beliefs lead them to the media outlet that fits them the best.

[GoTribe!!!]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

On August 25, 2017 - after Charlottesville VA - Trump stated "You also had very fine people on both sides" regarding violent protests.

https://www.politifact.com/article/2...sides-remarks/

Why did you stop there ? Show the rest of the quote where he made it clear he was not talking about white supremacists.

[tpeichel34]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

On August 25, 2017 - after Charlottesville VA - Trump stated "You also had very fine people on both sides" regarding violent protests.

https://www.politifact.com/article/2...sides-remarks/

Thank you for making my point for me. Try it with context now.

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by GoTribe!!!

Why did you stop there ? Show the rest of the quote where he made it clear he was not talking about white supremacists.

Reporter: "Mr. President, are you putting what you’re calling the alt-left and white supremacists on the same moral plane?"

Trump: "I’m not putting anybody on a moral plane. What I’m saying is this: You had a group on one side and you had a group on the other, and they came at each other with clubs -- and it was vicious and it was horrible. And it was a horrible thing to watch.

"But there is another side. There was a group on this side. You can call them the left -- you just called them the left -- that came violently attacking the other group. So you can say what you want, but that’s the way it is.

Reporter: (Inaudible) "… both sides, sir. You said there was hatred, there was violence on both sides. Are the --"

Trump: "Yes, I think there’s blame on both sides. If you look at both sides -- I think there’s blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either. And if you reported it accurately, you would say."

Reporter: "The neo-Nazis started this. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest --"

Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."

[rman112]

Originally Posted by jdandns

Trump is a constant liar and not a single word from his mouth can be believed. Ever. Don't you get that?

Also..