2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[calculusdork]

Originally Posted by rman112

That doesn't explain the younger kids, though. The amount of high schoolers, for example, with such STRONG opinions about the protests.. Where does that come from?

Their parents, their older siblings, and their high school teachers.

[Jgil316]

Originally Posted by techtre2003

Bull. You guys are still chopping his quote to make him look bad.


"You had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. ... I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name. ... So you know what, it's fine. You're changing history. You're changing culture. And you had people — and I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis and the White nationalists, because they should be condemned totally — but you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and White nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly. Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people. But you also had troublemakers, and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets and with the baseball bats. You had a lot of bad people in the other group."

Sweet baby Jesus - you guys are missing the point!!

Trump said the clarification AFTER he made those statements.... AFTER

[jdandns]

Ruh-roh.
That big vein in the middle of (Sc)alito's forehead is throbbin' again...

[techtre2003]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

Sweet baby Jesus - you guys are missing the point!!

Trump said the clarification AFTER he made those statements.... AFTER

Do you have a link to a statement before the one I posted? As far as I know, what I posted was his original statement.

[Jgil316]

Today: on this board I have learned:

* Public Universities are bad (does that mean being educated is bad?)

* It is absolutely OK to make broad statements and then come back - days later to spin it to "what I meant to say was"

* Trump is a victim

Phew - thanks for setting me straight!!!

[calculusdork]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

Today: on this board I have learned:

* Public Universities are bad (does that mean being educated is bad?)

I assume this is aimed at me?

If so, I suggest you try again. I never said they were inherently bad.

[Jgil316]

Originally Posted by calculusdork

I think in our day and age, it's almost 100% developed in public universities. Public universities and the majority of the media derive their opinions from the same sources. Universities tell students how to think, and thus biases are developed. The media then reinforces these biases.

I used to wonder why we heard so much rhetoric that "college education is a God-given right" in the last 15-20 years. Now I know. You have millions of "college-educated" men and women who can't get jobs in their fields of study. But boy, they sure know what to think.

OK - go back and put this into the proper context - again, rather a broad statement there.

[techtre2003]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

OK - go back and put this into the proper context - again, rather a broad statement there.

He made a pretty clear statement on how universities are indoctrinating students and you come back with Public Universities are bad and he's the one making broad statements?

[rcmb3220]

Originally Posted by calculusdork

I think in our day and age, it's almost 100% developed in public universities. Public universities and the majority of the media derive their opinions from the same sources. Universities tell students how to think, and thus biases are developed. The media then reinforces these biases.

I used to wonder why we heard so much rhetoric that "college education is a God-given right" in the last 15-20 years. Now I know. You have millions of "college-educated" men and women who can't get jobs in their fields of study. But boy, they sure know what to think.

I’d have to see what percentage of people graduate from public universities or households that are headed by such graduates. And then of course the breakdown of political affiliation. It’s obviously no where close to being 100% or we’d all think alike.

[calculusdork]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

OK - go back and put this into the proper context - again, rather a broad statement there.

While both paragraphs are a mix of facts and my opinions, I don't believe I made any broad statements.

[jlzinck]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

No just white men

And black men who support orange man

[corndog]

Originally Posted by rman112

That doesn't explain the younger kids, though. The amount of high schoolers, for example, with such STRONG opinions about the protests.. Where does that come from?

Social media - where everything posted is true.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by jlzinck

And black men who support orange man

Those aren’t black men though per Biden.

[Boo]

So another shooting in CHOP, seems like they are getting what they wanted.

[Astros19]

Interesting article.
https://hubpages.com/politics/Black-Lives-Matter-BLM

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[babyfaceposey]

Originally Posted by Astros19

Interesting article.
https://hubpages.com/politics/Black-Lives-Matter-BLM

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Nice read.

[discostu]

Originally Posted by Astros19

Interesting article.
https://hubpages.com/politics/Black-Lives-Matter-BLM

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Originally Posted by babyfaceposey

Nice read.

You guys are smarter than this.

[calculusdork]

Originally Posted by rcmb3220

I’d have to see what percentage of people graduate from public universities or households that are headed by such graduates. And then of course the breakdown of political affiliation. It’s obviously no where close to being 100% or we’d all think alike.

It would be foolish for me (or any of us) to assume or claim that there is a singular cause for any of these phenomena we are observing (despite the media seeming to want people to think singularly). Critical thinking requires nuance, and complex problems demand it.

I'm still thinking my way through this, but here's how it appears to work:

- Many liberal arts colleges, and the economics/politics/sociology/etc departments of many public universities, were invaded with Gramscian thought (cultural Marxism) back in the 1960s, and these concepts pervaded these schools for the next ... well, probably until today (with some variations over time). The result of this is millions of Americans with college degrees who were taught not so much 'how' to think as 'what' to think. I believe you could probably seek out and find that these same Gramscian principles are being taught in many American public high schools today.
- Much of the news media (which -- together with professors, pop authors, and the like -- Thomas Sowell calls the 'intelligentsia' of our day), drawing from the same sources, perpetuates the same narratives that are being taught in schools.
- Much of social media -- composed of friends and family, people you are supposed to be able to trust! -- unknowingly draw from these same sources, perpetuating the same narratives found in the media.

So particular narratives have, in one way or another, worked their way into almost every corner of our culture, just as Gramsci indicated they would need to do. What results is a worldview that may or may not be an accurate depiction of how the world actually is (I would argue strongly that it is NOT), but regardless permits zero rigidity or critical thinking.

What are these narratives? Here are three important ones:

(1) Education = intelligence.
(2) There exist oppressive power structures that need to be dismantled.
(3) Capitalism is bad.


Not only are students taught what to think, but they are taught that because they are being taught, they have a secret knowledge that less-educated people do not have (#1), and therefore that people who disagree with them are just less intelligent.

Right now, you have millions of Americans throwing their weight behind #2.

You have fewer people putting their vocal support behind #3. At the moment, the oppressive power structures have other names. But make no mistake: #3 is being taught, and it is the man behind the curtain.


I do realize this appears to be a very "anti-liberal" analysis. I am not anti-liberal ... in fact, I would consider myself to be more of a "classical liberal" than anything else. I am, however, vehemently anti-Marxist, and it appears that we are today in America observing the fruits of a Marxist cultural revolution that has been in the works for over fifty years. "Right vs left", "Democrat vs Republican", "Trump is great", "Trump is bad" ... I have a strong feeling these things don't really even matter much anymore compared to what is happening at deeper levels in our society.

[GoTribe!!!]

Originally Posted by discostu

You guys are smarter than this.

How so? I saw a lot of truth in that.

[xbignick]

Trump's twitch channel has been banned.

/r/the_donald, which was quarantined months ago and basically empty, was just banned off reddit as well.

Here we go.

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by discostu

You guys are smarter than this.

A little bit of a rebuttal would have been nice.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by xbignick

Trump's twitch channel has been banned.

/r/the_donald, which was quarantined months ago and basically empty, was just banned off reddit as well.

Here we go.

For ?

[hairysasquatch]

Originally Posted by calculusdork

It would be foolish for me (or any of us) to assume or claim that there is a singular cause for any of these phenomena we are observing (despite the media seeming to want people to think singularly). Critical thinking requires nuance, and complex problems demand it.

I'm still thinking my way through this, but here's how it appears to work:

- Many liberal arts colleges, and the economics/politics/sociology/etc departments of many public universities, were invaded with Gramscian thought (cultural Marxism) back in the 1960s, and these concepts pervaded these schools for the next ... well, probably until today (with some variations over time). The result of this is millions of Americans with college degrees who were taught not so much 'how' to think as 'what' to think. I believe you could probably seek out and find that these same Gramscian principles are being taught in many American public high schools today.
- Much of the news media (which -- together with professors, pop authors, and the like -- Thomas Sowell calls the 'intelligentsia' of our day), drawing from the same sources, perpetuates the same narratives that are being taught in schools.
- Much of social media -- composed of friends and family, people you are supposed to be able to trust! -- unknowingly draw from these same sources, perpetuating the same narratives found in the media.

So particular narratives have, in one way or another, worked their way into almost every corner of our culture, just as Gramsci indicated they would need to do. What results is a worldview that may or may not be an accurate depiction of how the world actually is (I would argue strongly that it is NOT), but regardless permits zero rigidity or critical thinking.

What are these narratives? Here are three important ones:

(1) Education = intelligence.
(2) There exist oppressive power structures that need to be dismantled.
(3) Capitalism is bad.


Not only are students taught what to think, but they are taught that because they are being taught, they have a secret knowledge that less-educated people do not have (#1), and therefore that people who disagree with them are just less intelligent.

Right now, you have millions of Americans throwing their weight behind #2.

You have fewer people putting their vocal support behind #3. At the moment, the oppressive power structures have other names. But make no mistake: #3 is being taught, and it is the man behind the curtain.


I do realize this appears to be a very "anti-liberal" analysis. I am not anti-liberal ... in fact, I would consider myself to be more of a "classical liberal" than anything else. I am, however, vehemently anti-Marxist, and it appears that we are today in America observing the fruits of a Marxist cultural revolution that has been in the works for over fifty years. "Right vs left", "Democrat vs Republican", "Trump is great", "Trump is bad" ... I have a strong feeling these things don't really even matter much anymore compared to what is happening at deeper levels in our society.

As a guy familiar with the context ithat s being discussed here, I can attest. Private universities are not immune, just for the sake of clarification.

[xbignick]

Originally Posted by rman112

For ?

Hate speech / promoting violence

[rman112]

Originally Posted by xbignick

Hate speech / promoting violence

Was the ban legit?