2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

When the Boston bombings happened nobody said 'all cities strong' because everyone knew the issue was with Boston. It was 'Boston strong'. It's the same concept, obviously all lives matter, but black people are the ones being unfairly killed/targeted too often by police. If you cannot understand this that's on you. If you cannot say you believe black lives matter (like Donald Trump refuses to say) that's a bigger issue.

This is puzzling to me. I get that the general population is ignorant to the facts, but the actual data has been posted in this thread numerous times.

Black people are not being killed by the police at any sort of statistically significant rate. It’s simply not true. The numbers say so. The argument for unfair prison sentencing may be true, but police brutality skewing black is a media driven fallacy.

This “you won’t say ‘black lives matter’” is so childish. People are upset because other people won’t say what they’re told to say? Is this America? WTF?

Let’s see the data that says blacks are killed by police disproportionately to whites. There are people in here that try to argue that the media has limited influence, but this same idea is repeated so often... with no actual data attached to it. Reporting police murders against blacks and not reporting against whites is what drives this false narrative.

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by rman112

No one was forcing you to align with a specific movement with 'Boston Strong', though.

Meaning there was no implication that you hated people from Boston if you didn't say 'Boston Strong', make it your profile picture, or even say nothing about it at all.

It's not a movement to me. For me, 'black lives matter' is simply about black people being unfairly targeted and treated, and police brutality against black people. That shouldn't be happening. That's what Kaepernick took a knee for.

I am not letting the original message get turned into anything else that is now happening.

Saying black lives matter doesn't mean you don't believe all lives matter. That isn't the point.

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

This is puzzling to me. I get that the general population is ignorant to the facts, but the actual data has been posted in this thread numerous times.

Black people are not being killed by the police at any sort of statistically significant rate. It’s simply not true. The numbers say so. The argument for unfair prison sentencing may be true, but police brutality skewing black is a media driven fallacy.

This “you won’t say ‘black lives matter’” is so childish. People are upset because other people won’t say what they’re told to say? Is this America? WTF?

Let’s see the data that says blacks are killed by police disproportionately to whites. There are people in here that try to argue that the media has limited influence, but this same idea is repeated so often... with no actual data attached to it. Reporting police murders against blacks and not reporting against whites is what drives this false narrative.

The amount of famous black people alone that have come out and shared their stories about being targeted by police for the color of their skin should be enough. If it's happening to them what do you think happens to a non-famous black person?

Call it childish if you want, but if you cannot say you believe black people should be treated the same as anyone else and that black lives matter, there is something wrong with you.

Do you really believe black people are not treated any differently than white people? Because we have all decades on decades of history to show us that's not true.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

The amount of famous black people alone that have come out and shared their stories about being targeted by police for the color of their skin should be enough. If it's happening to them what do you think happens to a non-famous black person?

Call it childish if you want, but if you cannot say you believe black people should be treated the same as anyone else and that black lives matter, there is something wrong with you.

Do you really believe black people are not treated any differently than white people? Because we have all decades on decades of history to show us that's not true.

“Black people are the ones being unfairly killed by the police too often.”

Prove it. Without anecdotes. And without changing the subject.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

It's not a movement to me. For me, 'black lives matter' is simply about black people being unfairly targeted and treated, and police brutality against black people. That shouldn't be happening. That's what Kaepernick took a knee for.

I am not letting the original message get turned into anything else that is now happening.

Saying black lives matter doesn't mean you don't believe all lives matter. That isn't the point.

It's not? Read BLM's 'What We Believe'.

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

“Black people are the ones being unfairly killed by the police too often.”

Prove it. Without anecdotes. And without changing the subject.

I am not going to go on a search right now, I have to get ready to leave for work pretty shortly. I stand by all my opinions and beliefs.

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by rman112

It's not? Read BLM's 'What We Believe'.

I haven't paid any attention (and wasn't really aware) there was an organization.

Like I said, for me it's not a movement. It is I guess for them, not for me.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

I am not going to go on a search right now, I have to get ready to leave for work pretty shortly. I stand by all my opinions and beliefs.

Ridiculous as always.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

I haven't paid any attention (and wasn't really aware) there was an organization.

Like I said, for me it's not a movement. It is I guess for them, not for me.

You weren't aware that Black Lives Matter was more than a saying?

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Ridiculous as always.

Likewise!!


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[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Likewise!!


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Data shows you're wrong, as usual and your myth has been debunked numerous times.

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by rman112

You weren't aware that Black Lives Matter was more than a saying?

Not really. Obviously I know of the work kaepernick and others have done. But I wasn’t aware of an organization. I’m sure it’s getting away from the message kaep started


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[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Data shows you're wrong, as usual and your myth has been debunked numerous times.

I like to think you’re also wrong quite a bit!


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[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

I am not going to go on a search right now, I have to get ready to leave for work pretty shortly. I stand by all my opinions and beliefs.

This honestly blows me away. Not this one comment, but the fact that this type of comment is similar to some of the responses I’ve received when I provide the actual statistics. “That’s just your opinion, myannnn.” Or “You’re not black. You don’t understand.”

Why are we as a society so afraid of looking at any sort of evidence that might challenge our beliefs? Should we not seek out that information? The media puts out a few stories and suddenly it’s representative of everything that takes place in America. And somehow there are people left that question the media’s influence when the media narrative that’s driving popular opinion isn't even close to true.

Can anyone with an understanding of psychology explain this to me? Clearly the media knows what works to influence the population, but why are people so easily misled? Is it a desire to feel part of a just cause?

I’m being sincere here, but I’m generally frustrated by this. I want to see black people succeed as much as I want to see anyone else succeed. 90% of my work is in predominately black neighborhoods in Philly. I don’t like the fact that they think they’re being murdered by police at a rate that is disproportionate to other races. That sucks, but the media keeps putting it out there and using anecdotes to prove it. So if we dive into the actual data and can 100% conclude that it’s not true, why are we resistant to that? Why are we holding on to such an ugly narrative when it’s not true?

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

I haven't paid any attention (and wasn't really aware) there was an organization.

Like I said, for me it's not a movement. It is I guess for them, not for me.

It may not be a movement for you, but that doesn't take away the fact that for many is a movement. Just because you don't see it that way doesn't change the facts. The facts are that it is a movement and in some ways it's a dangerous movement that sounds like they want superiority not equality. I'm all for equality, but I can't agree when the movement starts pushing the black power type rhetoric.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

I like to think you’re also wrong quite a bit!


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I'm glad you like to think it. Whatever offers you comfort.

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

The amount of famous black people alone that have come out and shared their stories about being targeted by police for the color of their skin should be enough. If it's happening to them what do you think happens to a non-famous black person?

Call it childish if you want, but if you cannot say you believe black people should be treated the same as anyone else and that black lives matter, there is something wrong with you.

Do you really believe black people are not treated any differently than white people? Because we have all decades on decades of history to show us that's not true.

But why are they coming out now? Why didn't they come out with the story when it happened, especially if it happened while they were famous. I'm not saying some of it wasn't racial profiling but I also wouldn't be surprised if some of it is an overreaction, too.

I had my car searched multiple times between 16-21 years old. I had a crappy car, lived in the most shady neighborhood in a nice city, and always had 2 to 3 friends with me. We were always in the nice areas because everyone but me lived there. We are all white.

Fast forward to 24, 25 years old and my buddy, who's black, got his car searched. He's well-off, lived in the nicest neighborhood in Michigan, and drives a nice car. He said he was racial profiled, and he may have been, I wasn't there.

However, what is the difference between my situation and his? We were searched for really no reason, but his is a story and if I share my story (which isn't a big deal), I'm told that I have white privilege.

[ballhawkdawk]

JustinVerlander:

I’m not trying to convince you to stop thinking black people matter. I’m only asking you to consider that what the media is forcing on us is very far from the truth. Links were posted in here to discussions with black academics on the issue. I listened to them and then continued to go through more of these discussions, not knowing what I was getting into when I fired up the audio. I just hit play and then listened. THESE discussions by black people are what shaped a lot of my current ideas. Just give one of them a try. And if you’re still at the same position, that’s fine, but these guys are brilliant... way smarter than I am in regard to race politics, and probably just about every other thing.

https://youtu.be/rzOApVTfT48

https://youtu.be/V8fndiNZimA

https://youtu.be/Mtjuf_RxsLA

My commute time allows me plenty of time to listen to this stuff. I’d be interested to hear opposing views to what is presented in these videos. I’m begging for it. I want to hear all sides, but the original premise of police brutality skewing black gets blown away by not only these black men, but by the data.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Not really. Obviously I know of the work kaepernick and others have done. But I wasn’t aware of an organization. I’m sure it’s getting away from the message kaep started


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Black Lives Matter was formed by 3 lesbian women who are not only self-described 'trained Marxists', but are also against the traditional family.

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'While promoting her book “When They Call You a Terrorist: A Black Lives Matter Memoir” in 2018, Cullors (one of BLM's co-founders) described her introduction to and support for Marxist ideology.

She described to Democracy Now! how she became a trained organizer with the Labor/Community Strategy Center, which she called her “first political home” under the mentorship of Mann, its director, Breitbart reported.

The center, which describes its philosophy as “an urban experiment,” uses grassroots organization to “focus on Black and Latino communities with deep historical ties to the long history of anti-colonial, anti-imperialist, pro-communist resistance to the US empire,” according to the outlet.

It also expresses its appreciation for the work of the US Communist Party, “especially Black communists,” as well as its support for “the great work of the Black Panther Party, the American Indian Movement, Young Lords, Brown Berets, and the great revolutionary rainbow experiments of the 1970s,” Breitbart reported.

In 1968, Mann was a coordinator for Students for a Democratic Society, from which a more radical wing –- the Weather Underground — was splintered the following year.

It was led by Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn, who called for “direct action” over civil disobedience, seeking the overthrow of the US government. In 1969, the FBI classified the group as a domestic terror organization.

Mann was eventually charged with assault and battery, disturbing the peace, damaging property, defacing a building and disturbing a public assembly, for which he spent 18 months behind bars.'

[hairysasquatch]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Data shows you're wrong, as usual and your myth has been debunked numerous times.

Hey, the man said he had to go to work!

[rman112]

'Anthony Ratcliff, another BLM leader and CSU-LA professor, was also on the radio show to explain the purpose of "black Christmas."

"Black Lives Matter and other organizations build a strong critique and understanding of racism and white supremacy and sexism and homophobia, transphobia, but we have to have as much hatred or vitriol against capitalism," said Ratcliff. "Until we start to see capitalism [is] just as nefarious as white supremacy, we will always be struggling."'

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Just about saying that the unlawful killing of blacks is wrong, huh?

[GoTribe!!!]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

You know what, BLM is much more important right now than his opinions on a flag.

I already know you don't like people thinking that. I don't like his tone-deaf comments. We're even.

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

I haven't paid any attention (and wasn't really aware) there was an organization.

Like I said, for me it's not a movement. It is I guess for them, not for me.

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by hairysasquatch

Hey, the man said he had to go to work!

He pulled a jd.....try to get the last word(that's wrong) then run away with some excuse.

[56LightsOut56]

Originally Posted by rman112

Black Lives Matter was formed by 3 lesbian women who are not only self-described 'trained Marxists', but are also against the traditional family.

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'While promoting her book “When They Call You a Terrorist: A Black Lives Matter Memoir” in 2018, Cullors (one of BLM's co-founders) described her introduction to and support for Marxist ideology.

She described to Democracy Now! how she became a trained organizer with the Labor/Community Strategy Center, which she called her “first political home” under the mentorship of Mann, its director, Breitbart reported.

The center, which describes its philosophy as “an urban experiment,” uses grassroots organization to “focus on Black and Latino communities with deep historical ties to the long history of anti-colonial, anti-imperialist, pro-communist resistance to the US empire,” according to the outlet.

It also expresses its appreciation for the work of the US Communist Party, “especially Black communists,” as well as its support for “the great work of the Black Panther Party, the American Indian Movement, Young Lords, Brown Berets, and the great revolutionary rainbow experiments of the 1970s,” Breitbart reported.

In 1968, Mann was a coordinator for Students for a Democratic Society, from which a more radical wing –- the Weather Underground — was splintered the following year.

It was led by Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn, who called for “direct action” over civil disobedience, seeking the overthrow of the US government. In 1969, the FBI classified the group as a domestic terror organization.

Mann was eventually charged with assault and battery, disturbing the peace, damaging property, defacing a building and disturbing a public assembly, for which he spent 18 months behind bars.'

Is this the same group/people that launched a almost unknown Barack Obama into politics and eventually a Presidency?

https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-bl...-the-beginning

[JoeTheLucky]

Why can you be so easily fired from your job for saying white or all lives matter
but not if you say black lives matter.
Kinda seems a little racist to me.