2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by rman112

It Black Lives Matter didn't also happen to be a specific group, you would have a better point.

And if the word bolded above was “exclusively” you’d have a better one as well.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

And if the word bolded above was “exclusively” you’d have a better one as well.

But we're being asked whether or not (with the expectation/need of the 'asker' to answer yes.. or else) we stand with BLM, not whether or not we stand with BLM and only the specifics of being against mistreatment.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by rman112

But we're being asked whether or not (with the expectation/need of the 'asker' to answer yes.. or else) we stand with BLM, not whether or not we stand with BLM and only the specifics of being against mistreatment.

You don’t do well with colloquialisms huh?

[rman112]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

You don’t do well with colloquialisms huh?

You can dance around what I'm saying all you want.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by rman112

You can dance around what I'm saying all you want.

No dancing.

When people say something along the lines of "Do you believe what MLK believed in" they're not asking you if you agree with this quote:

"I am now convinced that the simplest approach will prove to be the most effective – the solution to poverty is to abolish it directly by a now widely discussed matter: the guaranteed income… The curse of poverty has no justification in our age. It is socially as cruel and blind as the practice of cannibalism at the dawn of civilization, when men ate each other because they had not yet learned to take food from the soil or to consume the abundant animal life around them. The time has come for us to civilize ourselves by the total, direct and immediate abolition of poverty.”

They're quite obviously talking about Civil Rights.

I don't doubt there are a handful of people who would go "Hey, do you want to know what MLK REALLY believed in" because they love being THAT person.

Same thing here. When people ask you "do you stand with Black Lives Matter" they're not asking you to dig up your Communist Manifesto.

Quit being THAT guy. Those guys suck and you don't. You're definitely better than most.

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

You mean you can support certain facets of something/someone and not support everything??

I didn't realize this since my support of Pres. Trump makes me automatically condoning of everything he has ever done, it makes me a racist, unAmerican, and the list goes on.

The hypocrisy is astounding.

[babyfaceposey]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

This is puzzling to me. I get that the general population is ignorant to the facts, but the actual data has been posted in this thread numerous times.

Black people are not being killed by the police at any sort of statistically significant rate. It’s simply not true. The numbers say so. The argument for unfair prison sentencing may be true, but police brutality skewing black is a media driven fallacy.

This “you won’t say ‘black lives matter’” is so childish. People are upset because other people won’t say what they’re told to say? Is this America? WTF?

Let’s see the data that says blacks are killed by police disproportionately to whites. There are people in here that try to argue that the media has limited influence, but this same idea is repeated so often... with no actual data attached to it. Reporting police murders against blacks and not reporting against whites is what drives this false narrative.

I am not even sure about the prison sentences. Do they take into account repeat offenders? Most likely the data was cherry picked.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

No dancing.

When people say something along the lines of "Do you believe what MLK believed in" they're not asking you if you agree with this quote:

"I am now convinced that the simplest approach will prove to be the most effective – the solution to poverty is to abolish it directly by a now widely discussed matter: the guaranteed income… The curse of poverty has no justification in our age. It is socially as cruel and blind as the practice of cannibalism at the dawn of civilization, when men ate each other because they had not yet learned to take food from the soil or to consume the abundant animal life around them. The time has come for us to civilize ourselves by the total, direct and immediate abolition of poverty.”

They're quite obviously talking about Civil Rights.

I don't doubt there are a handful of people who would go "Hey, do you want to know what MLK REALLY believed in" because they love being THAT person.

Same thing here. When people ask you "do you stand with Black Lives Matter" they're not asking you to dig up your Communist Manifesto.

Quit being THAT guy. Those guys suck and you don't. You're definitely better than most.

They're also not asking to dig up a Communist Manifesto because they likely have no idea what that is, how it's related to their chosen movement, or why those ideals are so dangerous.

I'd be fine with a working towards a separation of BLM the group, vs. BLM the specific message. Because there's nothing wrong with that message.

This also doesn't take into account that the recent surge in BLM funding/donations is going to all of BLM.. the group. Not just the easily agreeable faction.

[babyfaceposey]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

The amount of famous black people alone that have come out and shared their stories about being targeted by police for the color of their skin should be enough. If it's happening to them what do you think happens to a non-famous black person?

Call it childish if you want, but if you cannot say you believe black people should be treated the same as anyone else and that black lives matter, there is something wrong with you.

Do you really believe black people are not treated any differently than white people? Because we have all decades on decades of history to show us that's not true.

Yeah that Jussie Smollet guy shared his story also. Unless its on video I find it hard to believe these stories. What about the garage door noose a week ago.

[babyfaceposey]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

This honestly blows me away. Not this one comment, but the fact that this type of comment is similar to some of the responses I’ve received when I provide the actual statistics. “That’s just your opinion, myannnn.” Or “You’re not black. You don’t understand.”

Why are we as a society so afraid of looking at any sort of evidence that might challenge our beliefs? Should we not seek out that information? The media puts out a few stories and suddenly it’s representative of everything that takes place in America. And somehow there are people left that question the media’s influence when the media narrative that’s driving popular opinion isn't even close to true.

Can anyone with an understanding of psychology explain this to me? Clearly the media knows what works to influence the population, but why are people so easily misled? Is it a desire to feel part of a just cause?

I’m being sincere here, but I’m generally frustrated by this. I want to see black people succeed as much as I want to see anyone else succeed. 90% of my work is in predominately black neighborhoods in Philly. I don’t like the fact that they think they’re being murdered by police at a rate that is disproportionate to other races. That sucks, but the media keeps putting it out there and using anecdotes to prove it. So if we dive into the actual data and can 100% conclude that it’s not true, why are we resistant to that? Why are we holding on to such an ugly narrative when it’s not true?

Its called ignorance. I was raised to question everything.

[TheHeel]

Current odds:

Joe Biden -170
Donald Trump +150
Mike Pence +7500
Nikki Haley +10000
Bernie Sanders +15000
Hillary Clinton +15000
Kamala Harris +15000
Michelle Obama +15000
Andrew Cuomo +20000
Elizabeth Warren +30000
Amy Klobuchar +50000
Mark Cuban +50000

There are reports that Trump will not seek reelection (which I do not see happening) but I think there might be some value with Pence or Haley.

I got with Joe at +6500 and +1500 and Pence at +5000 (If I remember correctly).

[AlexHunter]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

No dancing.

When people say something along the lines of "Do you believe what MLK believed in" they're not asking you if you agree with this quote:

"I am now convinced that the simplest approach will prove to be the most effective – the solution to poverty is to abolish it directly by a now widely discussed matter: the guaranteed income… The curse of poverty has no justification in our age. It is socially as cruel and blind as the practice of cannibalism at the dawn of civilization, when men ate each other because they had not yet learned to take food from the soil or to consume the abundant animal life around them. The time has come for us to civilize ourselves by the total, direct and immediate abolition of poverty.”

They're quite obviously talking about Civil Rights.

I don't doubt there are a handful of people who would go "Hey, do you want to know what MLK REALLY believed in" because they love being THAT person.

Same thing here. When people ask you "do you stand with Black Lives Matter" they're not asking you to dig up your Communist Manifesto.

Quit being THAT guy. Those guys suck and you don't. You're definitely better than most.

Every thread I see you in, youre always thisssssss close to making a complete point and being intelligent. Thiissssss close.




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[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by AlexHunter

Every thread I see you in, youre always thisssssss close to making a complete point and being intelligent. Thiissssss close.




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I’ll try harder. I am learning.

[techtre2003]

Originally Posted by babyfaceposey

Its called ignorance. I was raised to question everything.

It's more important now than ever. With so much spin, misinformation, and straight out lies coming from people who we are supposed to trust (media, government, "experts") I don't trust any of them to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

[pac213up]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

Current odds:

Joe Biden -170
Donald Trump +150
Mike Pence +7500
Nikki Haley +10000
Bernie Sanders +15000
Hillary Clinton +15000
Kamala Harris +15000
Michelle Obama +15000
Andrew Cuomo +20000
Elizabeth Warren +30000
Amy Klobuchar +50000
Mark Cuban +50000

There are reports that Trump will not seek reelection (which I do not see happening) but I think there might be some value with Pence or Haley.

I got with Joe at +6500 and +1500 and Pence at +5000 (If I remember correctly).

The real question for the GOP at this point is can they hold the Senate.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by babyfaceposey

I am not even sure about the prison sentences. Do they take into account repeat offenders? Most likely the data was cherry picked.

I’m not sure either. I haven’t seen the data. A report was posted a few pages ago that said they controlled for repeat offenders and still found that sentences for black men were the harshest and white women the softest. I only threw that in there to try to keep the conversation honest. But that’s honestly beside the point.

The entire premise is that police are killing unarmed black people at an absurd rate. Are they killed at a higher rate than whites when you factor in % of population? Yes. But if you account for how many whites or blacks are killed per violent crime, which is actually when these killings take place in most cases, whites are actually killed by the police at a higher rate... I think it was like 3 per 100k violent crimes for blacks and 4 per 100k for whites. Listening to Coleman Hughes, a black graduate of Brown U that focuses primarily on matters of race, he stated that for every George Floyd, there is at least one Tony Timpa... often times two or three. It just goes unreported by mainstream media and thus never catches fire.

I heard this in one of the links I posted that discussed police brutality:

NYC shootings by cops:
1971: 314 shootings/91 fatal
1991: 108 shootings/27 fatal
2017: 19 shootings/10 fatal

I would call this progress and suggest that 0 is an unattainable number. The circumstances of the shootings aren't outlined here. Just total numbers. I'm not going to look up NYC population stats, but we know there were more people living in NYC in 2017 than in the prior years mentioned, which makes these numbers look even less offensive. Granted, I’m getting a little off track, but this idea that police are just out there mowing people down, blacks in particular, simply isn’t true.

Fortunately, I do think the overreaction has put eyes on necessary police reform. It’d be awesome if we also chipped in and stopped putting police in bad situations. It wouldn’t bring the number down to zero, but it’d be another positive step. And maybe we can stop killing each other while we’re at it. Teamwork, yo.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by babyfaceposey

Its called ignorance. I was raised to question everything.

I only ever really followed two court trials: the Casey Anthony trial and the Zimmerman/Martin trial. When ABC got caught splicing Z’s 911 audio call to make it sound racist, I lost all faith in the integrity of the media. It was that exact moment that I realized that framing the racism narrative to perpetuate outrage was the agenda. And everything surrounding the way the media reported on the case supported that, from the way they portrayed Zimmerman to the way they portrayed Martin. It was a real eye opener for me in how the media can shape public opinion.

The jury got it right in both cases, fortunately.

[JoeTheLucky]

[QUOTE=ballhawkdawk Teamwork, yo.[/QUOTE]

Makes the dream work?

NVM

[jlzinck]

Don't forget to pay your taxes on your winnings.

Originally Posted by TheHeel

Current odds:

Joe Biden -170
Donald Trump +150
Mike Pence +7500
Nikki Haley +10000
Bernie Sanders +15000
Hillary Clinton +15000
Kamala Harris +15000
Michelle Obama +15000
Andrew Cuomo +20000
Elizabeth Warren +30000
Amy Klobuchar +50000
Mark Cuban +50000

There are reports that Trump will not seek reelection (which I do not see happening) but I think there might be some value with Pence or Haley.

I got with Joe at +6500 and +1500 and Pence at +5000 (If I remember correctly).

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by cnewby

The hypocrisy is astounding.

Very astounding and sad.

[Jgil316]

Originally Posted by pac213up

The real question for the GOP at this point is can they hold the Senate.

This election cycle - if the GOP loses the Presidency and the Senate - they have no one to blame but themselves.


Period, end of story - zero spin on that

[Clark]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Yes. The boogeyman doesn't exist around every corner.

When people are chanting/protesting "Black Lives Matter" they're not actually saying:

"We want to end the racial injustices black people have faced since the countries founding AND ALSO we must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and must put own house in order."

They're just talking about the former...

Perhaps you just see something that isn't really there? I dunno?

I respect your opinion but the evidence is right in front of you.

With a little research you will find the real goals, the message is clear:

education/STEM is systemically racist
economics is systemically racist
the judicial system is systemically racist
the capitalist model is systemically racist

In their view, American values, beliefs, culture was built by white people, for white people. Capitalism must be torn down in order to find justice.

Google, "Black lives matter capitalism". Enjoy the ride.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

This election cycle - if the GOP loses the Presidency and the Senate - they have no one to blame but themselves.

Period, end of story - zero spin on that

Who else are they supposed to blame?

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by Clark

I respect your opinion but the evidence is right in front of you.

With a little research you will find the real goals, the message is clear:

education/STEM is systemically racist
economics is systemically racist
the judicial system is systemically racist
the capitalist model is systemically racist

In their view, American values, beliefs, culture was built by white people, for white people. Capitalism must be torn down in order to find justice.

Google, "Black lives matter capitalism". Enjoy the ride.

Cool.

Sounds like MLK.

Do you support what MLK stood for?

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Who else are they supposed to blame?

The Democrats?