Second year cards. How do you guys feel about them?

[PSA2Pac]

Originally Posted by n1nesports

Yep, just look at Giannis, his 2nd year prizm is like around $120.

yep, great example man.

[volblorx8634]

Originally Posted by n1nesports

Would you rather have an MJ base card from his first year playing or his 6th? I think the answer is obvious.

Originally Posted by tclausen

Wasn't comparing RC vs 6th year. Obviously I would rather have RC. As far as 2nd yr vs 6th year, no difference to me at all. To each his own, but I would NEVER pay $50 for a base 97 Topps Kobe (above). To me that is at most a $1-2 card.

I already alluded to it earlier, but I'm going to play devil's advocate here, so I hope you can humor me and it leads to productive discussion and not just me getting blasted haha

Why would one prefer an MJ base rookie to 6th year base outside of value? Why does 2nd year vs. 6th year make no difference but 1st year vs. 6th year does? Because after his 1st year he will never have 1st year cards again? But that's true of every year?

[n1nesports]

Originally Posted by volblorx8634

I already alluded to it earlier, but I'm going to play devil's advocate here, so I hope you can humor me and it leads to productive discussion and not just me getting blasted haha

Why would one prefer an MJ base rookie to 6th year base outside of value? Why does 2nd year vs. 6th year make no difference but 1st year vs. 6th year does? Because after his 1st year he will never have 1st year cards again? But that's true of every year?

If I understand correctly, the OP was referring to 2nd year as in the 2nd card year, not the 2nd year the player was in the league, like you flip the card around and the stats are of only 1 total year in their career, if he actually meant 2nd year playing then I will retract my statements lol.

But even if it was 2nd year playing, it would be of more value because it's closer to his rookie year than the 6th year lol.

Aside from value why would I want a card of a player's first year more than their 6th year?

Okay let me try to think of the reason:
* The first year symbolizes more, it's the "birth" of this player, the beginning of their story, the start, all that carries weight

*It's their professional debut

*The card is older than the 6th year card

*Rookie cards used to not be "pre-rookie year cards" like they are now, they used to have the first pro year stats of the player, I think that gives those base cards an appeal unreached by anything after the first year

I know you're playing devil's advocate lol, but saying there won't be another 6th year either is going down an endless road that makes everything sound indistinguishable from one another, we're getting philosophical now, because then we could go like this,
why is a rookie card above a 6th year card?
Because it was the first card(s) made? Is that what most people would say?

What makes that special? Who cares if it's the first made? The 2nd year cards will be the only 2nd year made cards in existence lol and so forth. See what I did there? It's also a cultural phenomenon, the status quo, people made it that way, if you take someone who never saw a card in their life, showed them 5 diff MJ cards, 1 being a rookie, other 5 all different, some shiny, some artsy, they might just choose the one they find more visually appealing.

[n1nesports]

Originally Posted by volblorx8634

I already alluded to it earlier, but I'm going to play devil's advocate here, so I hope you can humor me and it leads to productive discussion and not just me getting blasted haha

Why would one prefer an MJ base rookie to 6th year base outside of value? Why does 2nd year vs. 6th year make no difference but 1st year vs. 6th year does? Because after his 1st year he will never have 1st year cards again? But that's true of every year?

Hmm, I think I responded to the bottom part when you weren't directing that at me?

[PSA2Pac]

n1nesports summed it up perfectly.

[cardmole]

Originally Posted by n1nesports

Yep, just look at Giannis, his 2nd year prizm is like around $120.

Yeah, I was just thinking about that card.
The 2014 Prizm set is awesome (football too), and these cards look so much nicer than their 2013 Prizm counterparts.

[phdbeckett]

The most desirable and iconic vintage card is a second year...

[Waxingeloquence]

Originally Posted by n1nesports

If I understand correctly, the OP was referring to 2nd year as in the 2nd card year, not the 2nd year the player was in the league, like you flip the card around and the stats are of only 1 total year in their career, if he actually meant 2nd year playing then I will retract my statements lol.

But even if it was 2nd year playing, it would be of more value because it's closer to his rookie year than the 6th year lol.

Aside from value why would I want a card of a player's first year more than their 6th year?

Okay let me try to think of the reason:
* The first year symbolizes more, it's the "birth" of this player, the beginning of their story, the start, all that carries weight

*It's their professional debut

*The card is older than the 6th year card

*Rookie cards used to not be "pre-rookie year cards" like they are now, they used to have the first pro year stats of the player, I think that gives those base cards an appeal unreached by anything after the first year

I know you're playing devil's advocate lol, but saying there won't be another 6th year either is going down an endless road that makes everything sound indistinguishable from one another, we're getting philosophical now, because then we could go like this,
why is a rookie card above a 6th year card?
Because it was the first card(s) made? Is that what most people would say?

What makes that special? Who cares if it's the first made? The 2nd year cards will be the only 2nd year made cards in existence lol and so forth. See what I did there? It's also a cultural phenomenon, the status quo, people made it that way, if you take someone who never saw a card in their life, showed them 5 diff MJ cards, 1 being a rookie, other 5 all different, some shiny, some artsy, they might just choose the one they find more visually appealing.

You got it, I was referring to second card year.

[ThoseBackPages]

big fan

[Sal]

Originally Posted by tclausen

Wasn't comparing RC vs 6th year. Obviously I would rather have RC. As far as 2nd yr vs 6th year, no difference to me at all. To each his own, but I would NEVER pay $50 for a base 97 Topps Kobe (above). To me that is at most a $1-2 card.

I don't think you will find this centred, in PSA 9 condition at $1-2. The 1996 Topps Kobe at PSA 9 over the last few months has went from $300 to $450ish.

[n1nesports]

Originally Posted by PSA2Pac

n1nesports summed it up perfectly.

thx brah!

[n1nesports]

Originally Posted by Waxingeloquence

You got it, I was referring to second card year.

Okay cool then all is not lost lol

[n1nesports]

Originally Posted by cardmole

Yeah, I was just thinking about that card.
The 2014 Prizm set is awesome (football too), and these cards look so much nicer than their 2013 Prizm counterparts.

Yea I agree, odd that the prizm and even optic cards didn't catch on as hot for football, can still get plenty good players for cheap.

[Rob 23]

One thing I think that can be taken in to account is whether it's from a popular set. If Zion ends up having an MVP type career and his Prizm RC really becomes iconic then the Luka second year from that set could also see an increase in value from a recognisability standpoint. Also if the card has a classic image such as the second year Chrome Lebron or even the 2008 Chrome Lebron chalk toss.

[Gary]

Originally Posted by Waxingeloquence

Rookies are the most desirable, I think we can all agree on that. When i started collecting second year cards would also carry a slight premium and were sought after. Is this still the case? Does it depend on the player? Do you guys feel they are underrated, overrated or perfect as it is now.

There is a few times i would consider it worthwhile,The best example off the top of my heard would be 1981/82 topps bird and Magic 2nd year.Mainly because the RC is that god awful perforated triple card.

Im guessing im not alone on that judging by the resent price rise of these two cards.Not sure if its the solo thing or the the RC being way to much for the AVG guy to buy,at least in a decent grade.

Personalty i like a players last card,More so if the complete career stats are shown.

[bigroger1980]

Especially when the 2nd year card is the first appearance of that transcending player for that base flagship Brand . Don’t really happen much In basketball but for say trout or Brady . I still think the trout 2012 topps chrome is undervalued being his 2nd year chrome card is actually his first appearance for flagship topps chrome

[mc1]

Originally Posted by cardmole

Yeah, I was just thinking about that card.
The 2014 Prizm set is awesome (football too), and these cards look so much nicer than their 2013 Prizm counterparts.

Youre in the minority then. Majority of people dont like the 14-15 design. Some even say its the worst.

Originally Posted by bigroger1980

Especially when the 2nd year card is the first appearance of that transcending player for that base flagship Brand . Don’t really happen much In basketball but for say trout or Brady . I still think the trout 2012 topps chrome is undervalued being his 2nd year chrome card is actually his first appearance for flagship topps chrome

2002 Chrome is a 3rd year card for Brady. Still, its his first Topps Chrome.

[Fratboy]

I'm big on picking up 2nd year cards, #rd 299 or less. Also, Silver, Holos, and unnumbered short print cards. Good value, for very nice cards of your favorites.

[volblorx8634]

Sorry, I'm missing something. I thought we were talking about a player's 2nd year cards. I.e. the cards released of that player during their 2nd season in the league. How is that different from/what is a "2nd card year"? I'm sure it's something very simple that's just going right over my head.

[volblorx8634]

Originally Posted by n1nesports

If I understand correctly, the OP was referring to 2nd year as in the 2nd card year, not the 2nd year the player was in the league, like you flip the card around and the stats are of only 1 total year in their career, if he actually meant 2nd year playing then I will retract my statements lol.

But even if it was 2nd year playing, it would be of more value because it's closer to his rookie year than the 6th year lol.

Aside from value why would I want a card of a player's first year more than their 6th year?

Okay let me try to think of the reason:
* The first year symbolizes more, it's the "birth" of this player, the beginning of their story, the start, all that carries weight

*It's their professional debut

*The card is older than the 6th year card

*Rookie cards used to not be "pre-rookie year cards" like they are now, they used to have the first pro year stats of the player, I think that gives those base cards an appeal unreached by anything after the first year

I know you're playing devil's advocate lol, but saying there won't be another 6th year either is going down an endless road that makes everything sound indistinguishable from one another, we're getting philosophical now, because then we could go like this,
why is a rookie card above a 6th year card?
Because it was the first card(s) made? Is that what most people would say?

What makes that special? Who cares if it's the first made? The 2nd year cards will be the only 2nd year made cards in existence lol and so forth. See what I did there? It's also a cultural phenomenon, the status quo, people made it that way, if you take someone who never saw a card in their life, showed them 5 diff MJ cards, 1 being a rookie, other 5 all different, some shiny, some artsy, they might just choose the one they find more visually appealing.

I appreciate your detailed response. I am not sure how to respond yet until I figure out exactly what it is we're talking about here

[eastbayak]

There does seem to be a market for them. Personally, I think they're overrated but it is what it is.

I want the RC(s). If I can't have the RC(s), I want a rare card.

[n1nesports]

Originally Posted by volblorx8634

I appreciate your detailed response. I am not sure how to respond yet until I figure out exactly what it is we're talking about here

lol so much confusion in one thread!

[cardmole]

Originally Posted by mc1

Youre in the minority then. Majority of people dont like the 14-15 design. Some even say its the worst.

I don't mind being in the minority (if your statement has any validity).
And only a blind person could like 2013 Prizm football over 2014.

[The_Reverend]

I pulled the 2nd year of Luka in Prizm and Optic, after not hitting any Luka Holo or silver his rookie year. I definitely believe his 2nd year will do well. Pulled optic and Prizm Trae and hope to have both in PSA gem soon, optic already. Can not afford the silver/Holo RC of Luka so 2nd year ok

[mc1]

Originally Posted by volblorx8634

Sorry, I'm missing something. I thought we were talking about a player's 2nd year cards. I.e. the cards released of that player during their 2nd season in the league. How is that different from/what is a "2nd card year"? I'm sure it's something very simple that's just going right over my head.

The other guy is the one causing confusion.

1st year cards=rookie cards
2nd year cards = 2nd card released

Originally Posted by cardmole

I don't mind being in the minority (if your statement has any validity).
And only a blind person could like 2013 Prizm football over 2014.

We are in the basketball section. Im just telling you what posters here have said about the 2014 basketball release. Dont believe it if you dont want to. Start a poll if you want to see the results of 13-14 vs 14-15 basketball popularity.