Are Football cards poised to explode?!?

[k13]

Originally Posted by jjohnson814

The reason Westbrook wasn't next level was because of his market but giannis is in Milwaukee? I'm not seeing that. It's everything to do with his lack of ability to win big games down the stretch with his inefficient shot.

I still think Westbrook is undervalued compared to Ja. What has Ja done. The post above points out all of Westbrook's accomplishments.

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Ja is young. Westbrook is old.

That's all that matters in this market.

[2010GBPackers]

Originally Posted by k13

Ja is young. Westbrook is old.

That's all that matters in this market.

I'm not saying your quote is how you think, but it is how a lot of the newer investors in the hobby feel.

If that's the feeling of how players are evaluated for the newbies, I'll continue to see my collection increase in value. What is really happening behind the scenes is they wait to hit on one player and boast about it, but lose on all the others and never tell anyone. Very similar to how a gambler loves to tell you about their biggest wins. Truth is they're in a deep hole over the long run.

Keep buying Ja though! I'll wait until he's a proven player, in the lull of his career, and everyone is wasting their money on the "next can't-miss" talent to buy Ja's stuff. Why take the risk now when other people will do it for you?

[Vinny1984]

Originally Posted by jjohnson814

What has Ja done.

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This is exactly what bodes well for him. The speculation. Just like Watson, kyler, Baker, etc in football. Nobody wants to miss out on the next 1000% ROI guy. If they don’t pan out and have just an “average” 5 pro bowl career, their prices won’t decline from where they are now. In turn, these current prices will look like steals in a couple months. And that’s based on no games being played. If and when actual football happens, that’s when we see non-qbs take a big jump in my opinion.

A lot of this money came from the gamblers. There is always risk in any investing but it’s a lot safer putting $1000 on a Mahomes then betting the cowboys to cover by 3.5. Also, putting $50 on a Watson has more potential turning into a $300 card than a $5 card. Putting that same $50 on Bengals +700 is far more riskier. That crowd is here to stay.

[2010GBPackers]

Originally Posted by Vinny1984

This is exactly what bodes well for him. The speculation. Just like Watson, kyler, Baker, etc in football. Nobody wants to miss out on the next 1000% ROI guy. If they don’t pan out and have just an “average” 5 pro bowl career, their prices won’t decline from where they are now. In turn, these current prices will look like steals in a couple months. And that’s based on no games being played. If and when actual football happens, that’s when we see non-qbs take a big jump in my opinion.

A lot of this money came from the gamblers. There is always risk in any investing but it’s a lot safer putting $1000 on a Mahomes then betting the cowboys to cover by 3.5. Also, putting $50 on a Watson has more potential turning into a $300 card than a $5 card. Putting that same $50 on Bengals +700 is far more riskier. That crowd is here to stay.

Let's bet on that. Cam Newton won an MVP and went to a SB and even with how "cheap" cards were in 2011 vs. now, his cards will never get back to the level they were when people were speculating on him. Same with Andrew Luck, Matt Ryan, Philip Rivers, the list goes on.

[Zauron]

Originally Posted by 2010GBPackers

Let's bet on that. Cam Newton won an MVP and went to a SB and even with how "cheap" cards were in 2011 vs. now, his cards will never get back to the level they were when people were speculating on him. Same with Andrew Luck, Matt Ryan, Philip Rivers, the list goes on.

I haven't checked, but how is Ryan and Rivers selling for today?

Nobody seems to really keep up with them, but they have outstanding careers and IMO, Deshaun Watson's career will be similar to them.

Well, I just check, a Ryan National Treasures auto #'d to 25 is under $800. SPA is under that. This is a guy with a MVP and has a chance at top 5 in passing categories when he retires. I see him getting there in yards, but not TD's to be honest. Meanwhile Rivers is on the verge of 400 touchdowns and 60,000 yards. His SPA was $400-$500, Contenders below $300 raw.

Now it seems people are catching Mahomes fever in football. Nobody wants to miss out on the next guy like people said, so Drew Lock prices are $300 for a PSA 10 which is ridiculous to me.

[Vinny1984]

Originally Posted by 2010GBPackers

Let's bet on that. Cam Newton won an MVP and went to a SB and even with how "cheap" cards were in 2011 vs. now, his cards will never get back to the level they were when people were speculating on him. Same with Andrew Luck, Matt Ryan, Philip Rivers, the list goes on.

I’m more so talking about current market vs future market. The market dynamics from 5 years ago is drastically different than today.

The qbs you mentioned are still solid and there is still plenty of money being thrown at them. Topps Chrome psa 10 rookies of cam and rivers fetch $400+. Ryan is in the $150 range. Luck is an extreme outlier that is far away from the norm. Are these Mahomes prices? Absolutely not but it’s not exactly chump change either.

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by Vinny1984

I’m more so talking about current market vs future market. The market dynamics from 5 years ago is drastically different than today.

The qbs you mentioned are still solid and there is still plenty of money being thrown at them. Topps Chrome psa 10 rookies of cam and rivers fetch $400+. Ryan is in the $150 range. Luck is an extreme outlier that is far away from the norm. Are these Mahomes prices? Absolutely not but it’s not exactly chump change either.

To believe any of this is more than speculation is silly. That being said nobody ever said you can’t make a crap ton off speculation. There’s honestly not many people you can name that their cards didn’t peak and then fall.

With these types of players the only thing more important thank knowing when to get in is knowing when to get out. People who think this is a long term investment are always the ones stuck with the bag.

[2010GBPackers]

Originally Posted by Vinny1984

I’m more so talking about current market vs future market. The market dynamics from 5 years ago is drastically different than today.

The qbs you mentioned are still solid and there is still plenty of money being thrown at them. Topps Chrome psa 10 rookies of cam and rivers fetch $400+. Ryan is in the $150 range. Luck is an extreme outlier that is far away from the norm. Are these Mahomes prices? Absolutely not but it’s not exactly chump change either.

You are right and that's exactly my point. The only reason Cam, Ryan, and Rivers are even within range of their "hype" prices is because the market has taken off. If the market, as a whole, stayed steady you would have lost your ass on them.

No way a Kyler Murray RPA keeps it's $5k value if he goes to 5 Pro-Bowls with no other awards or accomplishments.

[Vinny1984]

Originally Posted by 2010GBPackers

You are right and that's exactly my point. The only reason Cam, Ryan, and Rivers are even within range of their "hype" prices is because the market has taken off. If the market, as a whole, stayed steady you would have lost your ass on them.

No way a Kyler Murray RPA keeps it's $5k value if he goes to 5 Pro-Bowls with no other awards or accomplishments.

I think we are both on the same page. I’m speaking specifically of prices skyrocketing the same way basketball has in the short term only. Long term, all prices correct themselves given enough time. Even basketball. Like what has been said numerous times, speculation drives this hobby.

From a fellow Wisconsinite, no matter what happens I think we can both agree drafting Jordan Love was dumb.

[Patlanta7]

Yeah... it’s gonna explode!


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[kidwonderkards]

I think if football card fans start to value defensive players cards more , it might come closer in value but it will never get to basketball price levels. And I prefer it that way, to be honest.

[jackclown813]

I'm a returning collector after having stopped in the 90s. I guess I never realized football cards are not as valuable as baseball and basketball but I strictly collect football cards to keep because it is my favorite sport. I recently picked up a Nick Bosa Phoenix rookie card auto and George Kittle phoenix parallel rookie card for a decent price and it's being added to my pc. I'm a big 49ers fan and I believe George Kittle has the potential to be best ever at his position. Seeing as how his rookie card has limited options due to him being a 5th round draft pick that no one expected would ever be this good, I decided to pick up his rookie card now before it gets more expensive down the road.

[Vinny1984]

Originally Posted by jackclown813

I'm a returning collector after having stopped in the 90s. I guess I never realized football cards are not as valuable as baseball and basketball but I strictly collect football cards to keep because it is my favorite sport. I recently picked up a Nick Bosa Phoenix rookie card auto and George Kittle phoenix parallel rookie card for a decent price and it's being added to my pc. I'm a big 49ers fan and I believe George Kittle has the potential to be best ever at his position. Seeing as how his rookie card has limited options due to him being a 5th round draft pick that no one expected would ever be this good, I decided to pick up his rookie card now before it gets more expensive down the road.

Nice pickups! I love those Phoenix. Very nice looking set that is still affordably priced.

[Southpas2013]

I think once we reach football season, we are due for the real rise. IMHO we (prices) are just warming up as the season gets closer.

[JeremyNick]

With the UE up 7/31 and people talking about sports cards as investments. It will be interesting to see if it is not extended and the actual stock market takes a dive secondary to decreased consumer spending, what that will look like for the new investment vehicles.

[49erRCCollector]

Originally Posted by Patlanta7

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Yeah... it’s gonna explode!


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This can’t sustain, right?

[jjohnson814]

Originally Posted by 49erRCCollector

This can’t sustain, right?

Everyone new coming into the hobby only knows about a few cards and can only buy ones reasonably attainable. They don't even bother with rare cards. So it makes cards like this jump ridiculous amounts. I personally think this will correct itself. I'm buying rare cards

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[k13]

Originally Posted by 2010GBPackers

I'm not saying your quote is how you think, but it is how a lot of the newer investors in the hobby feel.

If that's the feeling of how players are evaluated for the newbies, I'll continue to see my collection increase in value. What is really happening behind the scenes is they wait to hit on one player and boast about it, but lose on all the others and never tell anyone. Very similar to how a gambler loves to tell you about their biggest wins. Truth is they're in a deep hole over the long run.

Keep buying Ja though! I'll wait until he's a proven player, in the lull of his career, and everyone is wasting their money on the "next can't-miss" talent to buy Ja's stuff. Why take the risk now when other people will do it for you?

This is nothing new. Been like that for decades in every sport.

Ofcourse the hot young players will drop 99% of the time in the future.
But these people never learn.

[jackclown813]

Originally Posted by Vinny1984

Nice pickups! I love those Phoenix. Very nice looking set that is still affordably priced.

I agree, they definitely caught my eye so I had to get me the George Kittle rc. I’ll post some pics when I get the George Kittle in the mail.

[sf49ers68]

Originally Posted by senorlaverga

RBs are almost valueless after retirement unless your name is Barry. What do Shaun Alexander, Marshall Faulk and Ladainian Tomlinson have in common? They all won MVP and are also easily found in quarter bins at card shops.

I guess you don't follow Frank Gore cards.

[jjohnson814]

Originally Posted by sf49ers68

I guess you don't follow Frank Gore cards.

Frank Gore, Jim Brown, Walter Payton... I've actually found value in a lot of these types of guys. LTs rare rookies go for a decent amount of money. I see a lot of potential in these types of players given what we have been seeing with basketball. Fantasy football is huge in this country. These players matter to fans.

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[weeds73]

Emmitt Smith too...


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[TheFrenzy]

Inexperienced buyers

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Stimulus/unemployment checks

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Boredom

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Certain personalities/group actively inflating demand and eBay sale prices

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Very real possibility of a canceled season

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The new normal and a stable market?

lol