When are people going to give up on Zion???

[Topherfoy]

Originally Posted by ACCDADEAL

Nah. I am a longtime Acc basketball fan and UVA fan and have been going to games since the 80s. I have seen many players live and never seen someone with as quick feet other than Shaq. Zion is legit.

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Nailed it.

[jcmel323]

so much negativity...
He is legit

[KerryonBaggage]

Originally Posted by Keyser Soze

I disagree with you. It's ridiculous that they're limiting his minutes. If he's obviously exhausted and ineffective then remove him. But to arbitrarily limit his minutes is just stupid. He isn't more likely to tear his ACL because he's gassed.

So you’re saying, statistically speaking, he doesn’t have an increased chance of experiencing some sort of injury with an increase in minutes? Especially given the fact that he missed ~40 games with an injury before he played a minute of professional basketball? Cmon man

[Keto]

Only idiots hate on Zion his first season when he’s shown flashes of superstar potential already. You never give up on a young star player his first or second season. Wait until year 3 or 4 to decide.

[mc1]

Originally Posted by Keto

Only idiots hate on Zion his first season when he’s shown flashes of superstar potential already. You never give up on a young star player his first or second season. Wait until year 3 or 4 to decide.

Zion in 2023

[sethc1020]

Best post of the entire thread!!!

Originally Posted by mc1

Zion in 2023

[MBMiller25]

Originally Posted by mc1

Zion in 2023

LMFAO, I just spit my coffee all over my laptop.

[Sal]

Hahahaha, that pic is so hilarious!

[TimBuckTwo]

People will give up when he is finally taken off the reins and proves to be a bust or a stud.

At this point we have seen glimmers of greatest and tiredness.

Not a large enough sample size to assess. So keep the printers rolling and keep selling in to the uptick.

[k13]

When did they give up on Wiggins?

Should be similar.

[k13]

Originally Posted by byronscott4ever

Blake was like this in his second year...but not as pandemic crazy as Zion

Blake actually did something.

Zion has really done nothing except a couple ok games.
Even high highlights are pathetic compared to blake.
His dunks are boring.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by k13

Blake actually did something.

Zion has really done nothing except a couple ok games.
Even high highlights are pathetic compared to blake.
His dunks are boring.

Blake played great in the year following the draft. Best I’ve ever seen.

[thenwhatjk]

I would never give up on you Randy

[DajuanWagner]

Originally Posted by thenwhatjk

I would never give up on you Randy

Thanks Jeremy. Same for you, brother. Hope to see you at the Chicago National next year...……..

[dwtaylor1055]

Zion has shown enough in some games to say he is destined to be very successful while other times he has shown he may be average. Only time will tell, however, I think he needs one full season. So assume his 2nd year he's injury free, at the end of year 2 I think you will can lean more towards one way.

[Arianny_Fan]

Question is. When are people giving up on making Zion threads? When that happens, will be the day it's over for Zion.

[rj.cataldo]

I struggle with what people are looking for from this kid? He’s had a lot more good than bad in the games he’s played. The superstar potential is evident and it’s certainly more than “flashes”.

Is he going to have bad games? Of course! Just about every NBA player and Star has terrible games OR can be caught dogging it from time to time. You can find highlight reel tapes of Lebron putting in essentially no effort on defense. It took Giannis over two seasons to start consistently playing well. Curry struggled through injuries and took 3 seasons to be a 20ppg player.

This kid has a couple of inconsistent games in the middle of an UNPRECEDENTED situation, starts and stops, inconsistent minutes and an injury. Is Zion being held to a standard that no other superstar short of maybe Michael Jordan has ever hit?


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[packfan15412]

Why is this even a thread? Have you looked at his numbers? Because they eased him back into basketball after missing 2 weeks of team related activities? Idk how many of you haters still play pick up but I know if I don't play for 2 weeks im gonna forsure be gassed and my J is gonna be broke lol

Here is a link to his stats... dudes only averaging 28 mins per game & 22pts/6rb/2ast but hes fat overweight & just a huge bust as a 20 yr old playing in the NBA lol

https://www.espn.com/nba/player/game...ion-williamson

[i4gotmyid]

I feel like if your only argument is "he will get injured," then there is no point in a discussion...who is to say doncic doesn't pull a danny manning? Ja pulls a Derrick rose? Trae pull a Brandon Roy, or God forbid any young person experiences a drazen petrovic...injures and real life happen...but when you watch him play, the gravity he pulls from defenses is real, his strength/quickness ratio is real, the respect from his teammates and opponents is real...but if counting stats are what matters to you than the next few games will be a bust as they will be limiting his minutes.

[n1nesports]

I think the point of this thread (or could be) is to point out that they are treating Zion like he's a faberge egg, a very, very large faberge egg...

People have reason to be a little concerned. Makes them think, is he okay to play or not?
Will he ever play close to a full season or will he always be sat down and only used in moderation?
Injury is a risk of playing any sport.

[n1nesports]

Originally Posted by i4gotmyid

I feel like if your only argument is "he will get injured," then there is no point in a discussion...

Not to mention why are they saying this, is Zion prone to it, is his body type at a higher risk or his play style, if so then that makes him quite a risky investment.
Like you said, anyone can get injured, they aren't limiting Doncic's minutes because of the possibility of what could happen. Maybe the Pels know something we don't about Zion

[sethc1020]

Name one guy that doesn't bring the ball up the court that commands this type of value? The only one close I can think of off the top my head is AD.

[i4gotmyid]

Commanding value? The crime isn't how much Zion is worth, it's all the people pumping the values of low end players, the OG Anunoby, Kevin Porter, Troy browns, Jordan Poole, Gary Trent's, anfernee Simon's, Harry Giles, sekou, etc...there should be more threads warning about guys like that "investors" are trying to pump and dump

[Akphillips86]

Originally Posted by n1nesports

Not to mention why are they saying this, is Zion prone to it, is his body type at a higher risk or his play style, if so then that makes him quite a risky investment.
Like you said, anyone can get injured, they aren't limiting Doncic's minutes because of the possibility of what could happen. Maybe the Pels know something we don't about Zion

I really wish I could get an athletic trainer on here to host a Zoom meeting and explain to everyone why the Pelicans are limiting his minutes and phasing him back into basketball, but it truly is not difficult to understand at all.

1. Zion already experienced a significant injury (albeit a common one that if rehabbed properly allows players to return with full strength) that forced him to sit out much of the season.

2. You are more susceptible to injury in the specific area which was injured, and that susceptibility increases greatly without proper rehabilitation, strengthening, and systematically increasing stress on the specific area of the body which was injured.

3. Zion was on the road dealing with a family issue for days and then quarantined inside of a room for a few more, this sets him up to lose a certain degree of aerobic conditioning.

4. When you lose aerobic conditioning, your body fatigues more easily, and when you are fatigued, proper body mechanics break down setting you up for, you guessed it, a greater risk for injury.

5. The proper way to return to full speed action is systematically rather than full immersion without restrictions.

6. The Pelicans are battling for the 8th seed, where best case scenario they will square off with the Lakers and get instantly eliminated.

7. They are YOUNG. There is no reason to press when they have a fantastic core group that will be a foundation to build on for years to come.

8. Zion is the cornerstone of all the Pelicans hopes for the future (with a big assist from BI).

So let’s return to the question at hand. Why would you put the future of your franchise at risk for short circuiting a long and promising career for a season that will not culminate in anything better than a first round playoff elimination? The correct answer is, you don’t.


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[sethc1020]

Originally Posted by i4gotmyid

Commanding value? The crime isn't how much Zion is worth, it's all the people pumping the values of low end players, the OG Anunoby, Kevin Porter, Troy browns, Jordan Poole, Gary Trent's, anfernee Simon's, Harry Giles, sekou, etc...there should be more threads warning about guys like that "investors" are trying to pump and dump

True but Zions value and the hype that was created has him as being the next player of the generation in line with MJ, Kobe, Lebron and I think that is the real point of this thread. People are pumping money into this kid as if he is going to be the next in line from those 3 but he's not those guys in any way. There has never been a "big man" that has commanded these values and held long term at high values. I know we are living in a different world but "big men" just don't hold value long term. He is a great player and potential HOFer but will never be the guy he is hyped to be because he does not bring the ball down and create on his own. Look at the card market and name 1 other "big man" that is even slightly close. Like I said earlier AD is the only one I can really think of. Barkely is a HOFer and similar in style to Zion but his values are a fraction of MJ. Same principle with Zion imo. Again I think the Kid is Awesome and Electric I just don't know how this level of value sustain long term unless he wins MVP next year and goes to the finals.