2019-20 Panini Chronicles Basketball- Pre-release Thread

[bob1981]

Originally Posted by calculusdork

What do you mean? Visual appeal, or condition, or something else?

What will bring the most money

[packfan15412]

Anyone have a list of ranking from Best to least valuable? Am I close?

Top to Bottom: (Might be missing some)

Crusade
Flux
Hometown Heros
Recon
XR
Marquee
Essentials
Luminance
Score/Classics/R&S (Exclusive inserts)
Chronicles base rc
Prestige/Threads/Playbook

[brothertona]

If I'm completely honest the Flux's are super ugly. i'm glad the ones I've sold the ones I've hit really like them but I'm not a fan. I love the colored Marquee's, the Majestic Silvers, Colored/Silver Hometown Heroes and the Phoenix.

[bigjbasketball]

Originally Posted by packfan15412

Anyone have a list of ranking from Best to least valuable? Am I close?

Top to Bottom: (Might be missing some)

Crusade
Flux
Hometown Heros
Recon
Marquee
Essentials
Luminance
Score/Classics/R&S (Exclusive inserts)
Chronicles base rc
Prestige/Threads/Playbook

You missed Prizm Update and XR. Prizm Update should go near the top because those singles are selling well, and XR I’d put behind Recon. I also like Essentials better than Marquee, but that’s a nitpick.

I finally opened some retail today that I got from a guy on IG. I busted 2 fat packs, 1 hanger, and 1 blaster. These were very Ja heavy, which was nice - 8 total Ja cards, including THREE Luminance, a couple holos (Recon and XR), but no Chrome cards or parallels. But I got zero Zion cards, not even a paper base.

[packfan15412]

I was just listing RCs but yes Prizm Updates were nasty and i'll update the XR forgot about those! Thanks! I'm surprised the optic traded dont sell well at all

Originally Posted by bigjbasketball

You missed Prizm Update and XR. Prizm Update should go near the top because those singles are selling well, and XR I’d put behind Recon. I also like Essentials better than Marquee, but that’s a nitpick.

I finally opened some retail today that I got from a guy on IG. I busted 2 fat packs, 1 hanger, and 1 blaster. These were very Ja heavy, which was nice - 8 total Ja cards, including THREE Luminance, a couple holos (Recon and XR), but no Chrome cards or parallels. But I got zero Zion cards, not even a paper base.

[Fratboy]

I'm a big fan of this year's Phoenix. Also, digging the photography of Luminance, and Panini flagship... yep Panini flagship

[LongBallLarry]

All about that crusade life. Obviously a hobby pull but the blues pop.



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[rudyjustinfarrell]

^^^^^

That is a purdy card.

[RickeyHenderson]

Originally Posted by jfan2024

No but I'd like to hear from others who have data. My data basically says you pull 1 chrome parallel for every ~$50 of MSRP wax. Those chrome parallels in retail are split 50/50 between silver and the retail exclusive. In other words, I'd expect you to pull 1 bronze chrome for every 20 fat packs, and also 1 silver chrome for every 20 every packs. No different than 1 teal chrome and 1 silver chrome in 2 megas, 1 green chrome and 1 silver chrome in 10 hangers, etc. Hangers seem to do a bit better than that average and blasters a bit worse but it's not like i've tracked 20 cases or something and a huge sample

People keep asking so I'll keep saying it, but the larger the sample size gets the more I'm sure. Especially true when you consider number of rookies pulled per dollars paid

hangers > fat packs >>> megas > blasters

I ripped 40 fat packs yesterday. I got a TON of bronze. Sometimes 2 a pack


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[bigjbasketball]

Originally Posted by packfan15412

I was just listing RCs but yes Prizm Updates were nasty and i'll update the XR forgot about those! Thanks! I'm surprised the optic traded dont sell well at all

There are couple big rookies in Prizm Update (Nunn, Terence Davis). Optic Traded probably doesn’t sell as well as Prizm Update because there are no new Optic rookies, those are all vets.

Originally Posted by RickeyHenderson

I ripped 40 fat packs yesterday. I got a TON of bronze. Sometimes 2 a pack


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Bronze chrome cards or bronze parallels of paper and holo cards?

[jbball50]

Hmm couldn’t resist the urge? Opened up two cello packs. Pulled a Zion out of one pack, second pack had a prizm update Anthony Davis. We’ll see how long I can last without busting anymore while prices start to rise in a month.

[Giantrobot]

Originally Posted by Fratboy

I'm a big fan of this year's Phoenix. Also, digging the photography of Luminance, and Panini flagship... yep Panini flagship

Luminance and Panini are also two of my favorites. Great photography, clean designs. I usually prefer that to chrome flash honestly.

[beavers]

Originally Posted by RickeyHenderson

I ripped 40 fat packs yesterday. I got a TON of bronze. Sometimes 2 a pack


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How many were Phoenix, Prizm, or Crusade?

[RickeyHenderson]

Originally Posted by beavers

How many were Phoenix, Prizm, or Crusade?

More Crusade than Phoenix and very few Prizm. I think 4 out of 40. Probably 10 Crusade and 6 Phoenix. Got a TON of Zion and Ja. Actually got more Ja than any other player other than Coby


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[calculusdork]

Originally Posted by RickeyHenderson

More Crusade than Phoenix and very few Prizm. I think 4 out of 40. Probably 10 Crusade and 6 Phoenix. Got a TON of Zion and Ja. Actually got more Ja than any other player other than Coby


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You're saying you pulled 10 bronze Crusade and 6 bronze Phoenix out of 40 fat packs?

[RickeyHenderson]

I just counted and pulled 48 bronzes out of 40 packs.


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[RickeyHenderson]

Originally Posted by calculusdork

You're saying you pulled 10 bronze Crusade and 6 bronze Phoenix out of 40 fat packs?

Sorry no....nly 1 bronze in those.


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[calculusdork]

Originally Posted by RickeyHenderson

Sorry no....nly 1 bronze in those.


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Ok, gotcha!

What bronze Crusade/Phoenix did you pull?

[thefranchise3]

I love the teal chrome cards. Overpaid a little, but I feel appreciation for these will go up.

[Chiwsox2005]

Opened my 10 fat packs tonight. Did alright.

Ja - Luminance, Essentials, Panini, Prestige, Threads
Zion - Luminance, Phoenix, Panini
Pulled all 5 Ja from my first 5 packs and all 3 Zions from the last 5 packs.

Prizm Update - Terence Davis
Flux - RJ Barrett and Tyler Herro
Auto- Boris Diaw Rookies & Stars Jersey Auto
Also got a handful of nice Giannis, Luka, and Kawhi but nothing major.



Luminance is definitely my favorite card even though I normally don’t care for paper cards. The photography is just too awesome on them. Actually really like the font and layout for the player name also.

Still sitting on 8 hangers and 6 blasters. Plan on keeping at least 5 of each sealed. May open the others but I’m not sure yet.


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[ninjacookies]

Looks like hangers were temporarily back in stock for approximately 3 milliseconds.

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by calculusdork

You're saying you pulled 10 bronze Crusade and 6 bronze Phoenix out of 40 fat packs?

Definitely not. Most are confused by the question of 'how many bronze CHROME cards'. As someone who is looking for bronze chrome singles, there's a lot of people who don't know the difference between foil and chrome and even more who don't know the difference between base and parallel (bronze, green, teal).

Case in point:
Please tell me what is bronze about this card? https://www.ebay.com/itm/2019-20-Chr...IAAOSwXuxfOeJd

Flux cards are notoriously mislabeled because they are ridiculous colors (these are not green nor SSP):
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2019-20-PAN...wAAOSw8o5fO0N6
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2020-Chroni...cAAOSwRrVfNLb-

Edit: my bad, saw they responded and said only 1 bronze chrome.

[jjo1776]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Looks like hangers were temporarily back in stock for approximately 3 milliseconds.

We never had a chance lol

[jjo1776]

Ya somebody got a Morant Flux silver a couple hours ago for $32 and the seller didn’t even put silver in the title lol

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by jjo1776

Ya somebody got a Morant Flux silver a couple hours ago for $32 and the seller didn’t even put silver in the title lol

I actually try to notify when I see things mislabeled but not one seller has updated their listing. Hope they don't spend the money before the return hits.