2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[rman112]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

He said more than those two things.

I’m glad for your legally moral behavior but your incessant lying and twisting is something to look into.

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Originally Posted by Jopeal

I hope it's obvious by now I'm joking in most of my posts

If you say so.

[tpeichel34]

Originally Posted by Hootiefish

Usually election meddling doesn't result in our own president (and his sons) retweeting Russian propaganda. That is until the last four years.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/17/polit...ach/index.html

Seriously?

The Democrats filled the Steele Dossier with Russian disinformation then criminally leaked it to the NYT so the propaganda could be spread far and wide.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by rman112

Just got back from the PO. The clerk didn't accept my letters and then immediately set them on fire. A bit of a surprise.

You obviously haven’t read this thread and didn’t know what to expect.

Surprised you still have a PO and all the employees aren’t in Gitmo.

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

I didn’t ask you but well done on responsible behavior.

Surprise you didn't offer up a treat with this reply.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

You obviously haven’t read this thread and didn’t know what to expect.

Surprised you still have a PO and all the employees aren’t in Gitmo.

Same.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by rman112

Same.

Layered on so many levels you could get the entire thread shut down with that response.

For shame!

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

We argue over freedom all the time, but justice is the really tricky virtue to work out in a democracy.

Is the goal punishment? Mental or physical or financial punishment?

Is the goal reform and restoration to the community? That would seem to make re-education the primary focus.......which can get brainwashy and dystopian really quick.

Is it just simply to remove bad people from society without any real concern for what happens to them?

Should the guilty be at the mercy of the aggrieved? That's certainly the quickest to wash the State's hands of the matter, but you're going to end up with so many horror stories.

I honestly don't have many fully-developed thoughts on what justice should look like. Every argument seems to have an equally strong counter argument.

One argument that I heard on Serial Season 3 (just finished... thanks, Jeremy) from some guy who makes decisions (DA, maybe?) is that he doesn’t see his job as rehabilitative for the offender. He views the crime through the lens of the relatives of the victims and believes the punishment, which is incarceration time, should be substantial enough that it provides the family a sense of justice in order to help them move on from the loss. He worded it way better than that, but I thought that made a lot of sense.

I don’t think there is a right answer. I do think that victimless crimes aren’t crimes, or at least aren’t imprisonable offenses. I also think the way charges are stacked such that an armed robbery becomes 12 different charges as a way of setting the bar so high that they knock off some of the charges to encourage a plea deal is BS. I also think that committing less crime is probably a good start.

I realize that some areas leave you with no choice but crime, but that requires a solution as well. I think more police and more community involvement by the police is a possible solution. High crime area residents don’t trust cops, and cops don’t trust residents in high crime areas. So build trust by bringing them together. Squeeze the criminal mentality out of the area one relationship at a time. It’s just a thought.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Layered on so many levels you could get the entire thread shut down with that response.

For shame!

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by rman112

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If you say so.

Grains of truth.

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by Astros19

Surprise you didn't offer up a treat with this reply.

I'm guessing he's all out of strudel.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by rman112

Just got back from the PO. The clerk didn't accept my letters and then immediately set them on fire. A bit of a surprise.

This cracked me up.

I actually received a letter today from the Center For Voter Information encouraging me to vote by mail-in ballot. I may go that route... to support USPS by giving them my business... $0.50 at a time.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by rman112

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If you say so.

Originally Posted by rman112

Same.

Obvious four year debate letter winner.

Love it!

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

This cracked me up.

I actually received a letter today from the Center For Voter Information encouraging me to vote by mail-in ballot. I may go that route... to support USPS by giving them my business... $0.50 at a time.

Too bad it will cost them $5 to handle said letter...

[rman112]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Obvious four year debate letter winner.

Love it!

Salty.

[ballhawkdawk]

Every time I read “Russia” in this thread I think to myself, “oh my god... this sh** again?”

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Too bad it will cost them $5 to handle said letter...

Then charge me $5. I never asked for a deal. If it were $5 for a piece of mail I’d receive far less junk mail.

[Hootiefish]

Originally Posted by tpeichel34

Seriously?

The Democrats filled the Steele Dossier with Russian disinformation then criminally leaked it to the NYT so the propaganda could be spread far and wide.

Still doesn't measure up to the sitting president spreading Russian propaganda to the masses in an effort to win re-election.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

Then charge me $5. I never asked for a deal. If it were $5 for a piece of mail I’d receive far less junk mail.

I get zero junk mail since opting in to the, um, opt out list.

[TheFrenzy]

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[TheFrenzy]

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

Is criminal recidivism not an issue that could be better addressed while someone is incarcerated? Rehabilitation programs for inmates would be beneficial to society as a whole.

And what is the basis for an all-encompassing punitive system? To what end does it exist?

Criminality is a behavior choice. The justice system should be punitive for such choices.

Justice system reform should focus on dismantling the prison industrial complex, removing barriers for people that make self reformation difficult and early intervention to keep people from making criminal decisions.

Mental health reform can open up better access to cognitive behavioral therapy to focus on behavior change, that is/should not be a burden put on taxpayong society.

[TheFrenzy]

[trixstar]

Just want to clarify today’s news.


Goodyear Tires = bad

conspiracy cult about Satan worshipping child sex traffickers = good

[TheFrenzy]