2019-20 Panini Chronicles Basketball- Pre-release Thread

[mnvikingstwins]

Originally Posted by calculusdork

My personal ranking, not necessary in terms of value but primarily in terms of visual appeal. This is just for retail (no hobby-only sets). Plenty of room for disagreement, and 4-7 are *mostly* interchangeable in my book.

1. Phoenix (chrome)
2. Crusade (chrome)
3. Luminance
4. Essentials
5. Marquee
6. Recon
7. XR
8. Hometown Heroes (chrome)
9. Flux (chrome)
10. Panini
11. Score
12. Prestige
13. Threads
14. Rookies and Stars
15. Playbook


If you want more of a value ranking, just move the chrome stuff up a bit. To be honest, I'm probably giving Flux too much credit ... I really dislike those cards.

I'd rate the security decoys above Playbook

[oshmeehan]

Originally Posted by beens75

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A friend sent me this. This is what the line was like while the rep was stocking at Meijer this morning. They had zero basketball.


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Bahahaha, is this at the Oak Creek Meijer?

[beens75]

Originally Posted by oshmeehan

Bahahaha, is this at the Oak Creek Meijer?

I was told Grafton.


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[ShaneFalco]

Originally Posted by Allamericancard

As someone in that picture, we aren't all flippers. Some yes but a good 75% collect. And chronicles was found there today

[CircleTheWagon]

Originally Posted by Allamericancard

As someone in that picture, we aren't all flippers. Some yes but a good 75% collect. And chronicles was found there today

This got lost in the shuffle. Are you saying you are one of these people in the picture from Meijers?

[boris]

Originally Posted by oshmeehan

Bahahaha, is this at the Oak Creek Meijer?

Originally Posted by beens75

I was told Grafton.


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and this further shows Wisconsin is probably the most competitive state in the US for cards

[oshmeehan]

Originally Posted by boris

and this further shows Wisconsin is probably the most competitive state in the US for cards

We for sure have a fairly limited amount of Targets, Walmarts, and Meijers in Wisconsin.

[Topherfoy]

Originally Posted by ShaneFalco

Hahaha can't help but noticed the join date of each of the ones defending the peeps in that pic.

[Pacmeyer]

Originally Posted by Allamericancard

As someone in that picture, we aren't all flippers. Some yes but a good 75% collect. And chronicles was found there today

You were one of the customers crowding the MJ rep? Nice...

[Beavers98]

Originally Posted by calculusdork

My personal ranking, not necessary in terms of value but primarily in terms of visual appeal. This is just for retail (no hobby-only sets). Plenty of room for disagreement, and 4-7 are *mostly* interchangeable in my book.

1. Phoenix (chrome)
2. Crusade (chrome)
3. Luminance
4. Essentials
5. Marquee
6. Recon
7. XR
8. Hometown Heroes (chrome)
9. Flux (chrome)
10. Panini
11. Score
12. Prestige
13. Threads
14. Rookies and Stars
15. Playbook


If you want more of a value ranking, just move the chrome stuff up a bit. To be honest, I'm probably giving Flux too much credit ... I really dislike those cards.

Thanks for your post. I can see what you're saying. Straight value move chrome type stuff up a bit with some tiers being somewhat interchangaebale.

[Beavers98]

Originally Posted by mnvikingstwins

I'd rate the security decoys above Playbook

HAHAHAHA...

[ChefCurry312]

Originally Posted by boris

and this further shows Wisconsin is probably the most competitive state in the US for cards

Yeah it's really bad now. Had a lot of luck finding Prizm though

[h00perstar34]

Originally Posted by boris

and this further shows Wisconsin is probably the most competitive state in the US for cards

Bunch of badgers and cheese heads fo sho!

[psd2k10]

Originally Posted by Spacemanspif

lol that's the first thing I noticed too. I haven't worn a belt in 6 months, but it really bugs me when people can't even bother to wear real clothes and shoes when leaving the house

Well goes to show what type of people are beating us to the cards. People with no jobs! The fact of the matter is this (and the picture above prove it), most of these people are going to buy these cards then go back home and right back into bed. Cause I know damm well they are not going in to the office looking like that! The guy at the end of the line looking business like im sure is thinking "wth am I doing here"!

[Spacemanspif]

Originally Posted by Beavers98

Just going to post this one more time here. I think I saw it posted somewhere else if anyone can direct me to it. How would you rank the Chronicles RC's??

Originally Posted by Spacemanspif

my rankings (some is player / picture dependent. ie Ja Luminance)

Tier 1 (chrome, look good, recurring lines)
Phoenix
Crusade

Tier 2 (chrome so they're rare, but don't like the designs)
Flux
Hometown Heroes

Tier 3
XR
Recon

Tier 4
Marquee
Essentials
Luminance (not shiny but most of the pictures are nice)

Tier 5
Classics
Rookies & Stars
Score

Tier 6
Prestige
Threads
Playbook

Originally Posted by calculusdork

My personal ranking, not necessary in terms of value but primarily in terms of visual appeal. This is just for retail (no hobby-only sets). Plenty of room for disagreement, and 4-7 are *mostly* interchangeable in my book.

1. Phoenix (chrome)
2. Crusade (chrome)
3. Luminance
4. Essentials
5. Marquee
6. Recon
7. XR
8. Hometown Heroes (chrome)
9. Flux (chrome)
10. Panini
11. Score
12. Prestige
13. Threads
14. Rookies and Stars
15. Playbook


If you want more of a value ranking, just move the chrome stuff up a bit. To be honest, I'm probably giving Flux too much credit ... I really dislike those cards.

My rankings are based on where I think pricing / value will be in the end. I agree that some things that are ranked lower for me don't look as good as things that are higher, but I'm mostly basing off rarity.

[Greek]

Originally Posted by ChefCurry312

Nah not any Yeezys, Jordans, or any Supreme in sight. The market has gotten so hot that it has attracted random people looking for some quick cash. I've heard there's even TikToks telling people to buy.

Yes. So many people posting sealed wax tik tok videos of what they found. If you see one video, the algo on tik tok will push more videos of same type. Saw nearly a few dozen videos end of last week. This is how randoms find out about this stuff. Just creating more competition....

[bigjbasketball]

Originally Posted by psd2k10

Well goes to show what type of people are beating us to the cards. People with no jobs! The fact of the matter is this (and the picture above prove it), most of these people are going to buy these cards then go back home and right back into bed. Cause I know damm well they are not going in to the office looking like that! The guy at the end of the line looking business like im sure is thinking "wth am I doing here"!

Before they go back to bed, they need to take pictures of all the boxes/packs in their car trunk (with everything still thrown in the plastic shopping bags) so they can get their listings up on eBay and FB marketplace.

[calculusdork]

Originally Posted by mnvikingstwins

I'd rate the security decoys above Playbook

Dude. Best laugh of the day.

Originally Posted by Beavers98

Thanks for your post. I can see what you're saying. Straight value move chrome type stuff up a bit with some tiers being somewhat interchangaebale.

Right. Phoenix and Crusade are clearly in a class of their own, and just as a collector I'm trying to pick up silvers of those. Who knows, they may never take off, but they're some of the best looking cards of the year. I'd almost be willing to say those two are my favorites of 2019-20.

Originally Posted by Spacemanspif

My rankings are based on where I think pricing / value will be in the end. I agree that some things that are ranked lower for me don't look as good as things that are higher, but I'm mostly basing off rarity.

[TimBuckTwo]

Originally Posted by beens75

Attachment 489966
A friend sent me this. This is what the line was like while the rep was stocking at Meijer this morning. They had zero basketball.


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The guy 11th in line will not need a basket. There will be little left for him or his "split" will not justify it.

[missedthedrop]

Originally Posted by Howie7107

I don't think this is true at all. Stock has either been zero or dramatically reduced at every place that got it last week.

A few local targets near me got about the same as last week. But I'm starting to think the boxes might be getting opened by employees in the back.

Originally Posted by Mamschler1

I don’t see much wrong with a customer asking a manager if they have excel stock in the back for the following reasons:

1) Manager will likely ration, rather than have it taken out in 1 swoop by a single buyer
2) Fair chances for anyone to get it, rather than an excel rep being the gatekeeper. It’s gaurenteed that some, not all, of these reps are taking money under the table in exchange for giving friends/family/specific customers schedules of when they are stocking.

What really has me scratching my head is why these reps get all pissy when their boxes are opened. They get paid a commission on sold product whether they stock the shelf or a manager hands out product when a customer asks.... why else would they be angry? My conclusion is because they missed out on scheming a score of money or boxes themselves...

Just a thought...

One of the reps for my local targets doesnt like when employees open boxes because he randomly takes pictures of the displays (assuming when his boss asks for proof of product) and I doubt this guy does anything shady cus he wont even tell people how many stores he stocks in a day (also his boss/supervisor randomly follows him to each store).

Originally Posted by beens75

Attachment 489966
A friend sent me this. This is what the line was like while the rep was stocking at Meijer this morning. They had zero basketball.

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Had this same exact thing happen to me at target a couple times this week. Littered with dudes rockin supreme and champion, talking about what bots they use and how they just buy whatever people tell them to buy.
I'm not mad, was actually thinking and joking when the rep showed up, "just pokemon in the boxes, right?!"
And that's exactly what came out, but also 5 boxes of Select BB blasters and 5 2020 Topps Archives blasters; wasted time, but really flippers didnt win, so I will chalk it up as a win today.

The competition has pushed me out of the game. I guess I'm switching to trading singles and old wax to hopefully find new singles and wax.

[staypuft39]

Have opened 20 fatpacks and have been really happy with the results (1 chrome per pack without fail). For those who have ripped them though, have you hit any silvers/holos?
I won't complain as I've hit 4 prizm updates (2 Nunn, 1 Kawhi, 1 melo) but have yet to rip a silver. Curious if they are in the fatpacks or not.

[calculusdork]

Originally Posted by staypuft39

Have opened 20 fatpacks and have been really happy with the results (1 chrome per pack without fail). For those who have ripped them though, have you hit any silvers/holos?
I won't complain as I've hit 4 prizm updates (2 Nunn, 1 Kawhi, 1 melo) but have yet to rip a silver. Curious if they are in the fatpacks or not.

Hmm. I guess it could be possible that there are no silvers in fat packs ... that would suck ... but silvers appear to fall about 1 per every $125 MSRP in the other formats. You spent about that much, so it's feasible to not hit a silver in 20 packs.

[ZionCards]

Originally Posted by Greek

Yes. So many people posting sealed wax tik tok videos of what they found. If you see one video, the algo on tik tok will push more videos of same type. Saw nearly a few dozen videos end of last week. This is how randoms find out about this stuff. Just creating more competition....

Tik Tok may be the worst thing that has ever happened to the hobby. It's definitely the worst thing that has happened to retail.

[Retail Fool]

Good God, please not even more people running to the card aisle

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by staypuft39

Have opened 20 fatpacks and have been really happy with the results (1 chrome per pack without fail). For those who have ripped them though, have you hit any silvers/holos?
I won't complain as I've hit 4 prizm updates (2 Nunn, 1 Kawhi, 1 melo) but have yet to rip a silver. Curious if they are in the fatpacks or not.

I ripped 24 fat packs today and got zero silvers. The back of the packs say silvers are in the fat packs but they must be tough.

Hit 1 bronze chrome though!

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