Topps Project 2020 is the worst product since 1991 Fleer

[1977 Cloth]

For Oldmanalan only two that are close

Clemente and Rivera

You can stretch for Williams and Robinson I guess.

I never said I was happy with Mister Cartoon pushing it as well. We all have thoughts on the matter, but to call Oldmanalan the best representation of this set is not right. Best art is something that is far from me to call out one way or another, but I will stand by my comments about the spirit of the project.

[Stat Monsters]

I get it 2020... 20 artists and 20 cards in 2020.

However, some of the artwork seems lazy or uninspired, especially by certain artists doing the same 'ol hat (and I get it, it's their trademark style at times) on different cards. Many aren't much of artwork in terms of rendering other than photo manipulation or putting filters over images or throwing bling or graffiti, many also deviate from the original card design or pose, so it's less of a reimagination or homage and just random looking.

I'd love to have seen more artists do less cards, 'tho I get the 20 in 20 theme.

I'd have liked to see different more iconic cards featuring Hall of Famers, as opposed to including Mattingly, McGwire, n' Gooden.

A future theme that would be interesting would be a simple tribute of each of a player like Mantle, Robinson, Mays, Jeter, Griffey, etc. the G.O.A.T. of their era players, and have different artists replicate each Topps (standard designs, not Finest, Chrome, Bowman, etc.) Card issued through their playing career.

I hope this Art Project theme continues beyond 2020. It's a nice deviation from the norm. I think the game changer might be when artists start rendering new rookie cards of players who may emerge, but maybe those prospects are undeserving of any fanfare and a collection may be riddled with a lot of busts and the "has beens that never was" names, as opposed to keeping the focus on legends in the game.

It seems like from the quick flip, fast price surges standpoint, the print runs have settled down to the 3k range for most releases and very little fanfare for anything the past 2 months. I think the wrong people got into the game too late and there's too much hoarding by rank amateur investor/speculators, now probably regretting buying so much of a then "sure thing" they thought they's be reselling for hundreds if not thousands per card.

I feel the shark jumping as a spec buy began with the Ben Baller Rickey Henderson card, which saw a huge print run. It seems on eBay they sell for under issue price ($20) which some sellers could do because in bulk, I think they went for $14.50 (plus tax?) at the lowest (unless someone knows if there ever was a cheaper way to obtain more than 10). Oddly, I think I see people selling at a loss now too, if you factor in eBay fees it's even a bigger loss.

[mwheeler27]

Originally Posted by Pacmeyer

Artist still has a narrow definition and Oldmanalan is not getting a gallery showing any time soon as far as I know.

Nice dad shoes tho...

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Lots of dads on the planet.

[Oliroller]

The whole "resembles the original" is so hypocritical. It has been mentioned before about the artist keeping the card horizontal. The only two who truly "keep to the original card" are Vides and Naturel. How is Siff honoring the original card? I know he is a favorite in here among the artsy types. Do you really think his cards are more aesthetically pleasing to the eye than Oldmanalan's?

[blakejamieson]

Originally Posted by UGLI baby

I don’t know about you, but the first thing I focus on when looking at art is, “how long did this take the artist.”

One of the weirdest P2020-isms for sure.

As an artist, I'm not a fan of judging art based on the time spent on a single painting.

My paintings take 1 day to 1 week, but it took me 35 years to make THAT painting. The long hours and late nights of practicing and developing my style seem like they should play a part.

I get the question "how long did it take you" from athlete customers sometimes, and I tell them this: (football player example)

You play your game for 60 minutes like every other player. But each player gets paid different amounts. That's because you're not being paid for the time spent on that particular game. You're getting paid for the time you spend training, the double days, skipping parties and social events, and the physical and mental toughness it takes to play at your level.

What I can accomplish in an hour or a day is a LOT different than someone else with different preparation (for better or worse).

[Oliroller]

Oldmanalan actually cares about his cards retaining some kind of resale value on the secondary market, regardless of what others may think. I wonder how many people on this board have actually interacted with him? I know a few have, and he is certianly not "phoning it in" on this project.

[blakejamieson]

Originally Posted by samcam

Brother Blake, what's the PR on your awesome card my friend???

I wish I knew! Jeff was on vacation last week so I don't expect to hear until Monday (unless the PRs are posted to public before then)

[ThoseBackPages]

i did not have "Matt becomes a (L)OLDMANALAN Baby Face" on my #2020 Bingo Card

[blakejamieson]

Originally Posted by crtsports

Thanks for watching. It was a lot of fun to talk to Blake this morning.

Thanks for having me on!

[UGLI baby]

Originally Posted by blakejamieson

As an artist, I'm not a fan of judging art based on the time spent on a single painting.

My paintings take 1 day to 1 week, but it took me 35 years to make THAT painting. The long hours and late nights of practicing and developing my style seem like they should play a part.

I get the question "how long did it take you" from athlete customers sometimes, and I tell them this: (football player example)

You play your game for 60 minutes like every other player. But each player gets paid different amounts. That's because you're not being paid for the time spent on that particular game. You're getting paid for the time you spend training, the double days, skipping parties and social events, and the physical and mental toughness it takes to play at your level.

What I can accomplish in an hour or a day is a LOT different than someone else with different preparation (for better or worse).

Just for the record, my post was poking fun at people in this thread who bash Joshua Vides because his art doesn’t look like it “takes a long time.” I’m a bigger fan of Vides than most anyone in this thread.

All I care about is that it looks cool!!

I like your analogy of it taking you 35 years to be able to make that painting

[crtsports]

Originally Posted by blakejamieson

Thanks for having me on!

Anytime. Part 2 of that video series will be in 2021 once all 20 are out.

[Oliroller]

There is nothing wrong with Matt being an Oldmanalan supporter. Matt may be the biggest Project 2020 supporter of anyone. It is actually great to know that Rats60 and myself are not the only 2 Oldmanalan fans who are willing to be vocal about it.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by Oliroller

There is nothing wrong with Matt being an Oldmanalan supporter. Matt may be the biggest Project 2020 supporter of anyone. It is actually great to know that Rats60 and myself are not the only 2 Oldmanalan fans who are willing to be vocal about it.

tap the brakes "new guy"

[Pacmeyer]

Originally Posted by Oliroller

There is nothing wrong with Matt being an Oldmanalan supporter. Matt may be the biggest Project 2020 supporter of anyone. It is actually great to know that Rats60 and myself are not the only 2 Oldmanalan fans who are willing to be vocal about it.

Sorry but your posts seem really defensive. If you've been following this thread for some time then you already know just saying how awesome you think Oldmanalan is won't instantly win him new supporters or get whatever existing fans to come out of the woodwork.

At the end of the day TBP's assessment is spot on. There are 19 (conventional) artists in this series. I think Oldmanalan is great at what he does but he's like the hobby equivalent of stunt casting.

[samcam]

Originally Posted by mwheeler27

Some guys get passes while others don’t.

Weird, huh?

Totally! Mr. Cartoon Companion was well received but who knows when it will actually be received. He is taking 1/1000th the heat JK5 took.

Originally Posted by blakejamieson

I wish I knew! Jeff was on vacation last week so I don't expect to hear until Monday (unless the PRs are posted to public before then)

Guy deserves a break as much as the rest of us I spose

So Jeff concepts lines and puts up the PRs, Double O makes the listings (), and Minerva and Anthony make up the customer service department. They could probably hire another guy or two.

[CardFarmer]

So what can we expect next week? Per my records, I anticipate the following, based on length of time since their last spotting.

Artists:

• Efdot
• JK5
• Oldmanalan

Players:

• Mays
• Williams
• McGwire

In terms of players, I think Mays, Williams, and McGwire are a lock for the upcoming week. Outside shot at Bob Gibson, Jeter, and Rivera.

For artists, Efdot is pretty past due. Pretty good shot at JK5 and Oldmanalan, and then I think we might see a Matt Taylor or Mister Cartoon card. Don C is still a couple cards behind, but he just came out with one very recently, so not expecting him to drop.

[fjdlrw]

Originally Posted by samcam

Totally! Mr. Cartoon Companion was well received but who knows when it will actually be received. He is taking 1/1000th the heat JK5 took.



Guy deserves a break as much as the rest of us I spose

So Jeff concepts lines and puts up the PRs, Double O makes the listings (), and Minerva and Anthony make up the customer service department. They could probably hire another guy or two.

As long as Jeff is having a good time...

I'm assuming that we all hate Jeff now. Haha!

[coltsnsox07]

da Vinci only took 4 years to complete the Mona Lisa.

[dOubleO]

Originally Posted by CardFarmer

So what can we expect next week? Per my records, I anticipate the following, based on length of time since their last spotting.

Artists:

• Efdot
• JK5
• Oldmanalan

Players:

• Mays
• Williams
• McGwire

In terms of players, I think Mays, Williams, and McGwire are a lock for the upcoming week. Outside shot at Bob Gibson, Jeter, and Rivera.

For artists, Efdot is pretty past due. Pretty good shot at JK5 and Oldmanalan, and then I think we might see a Matt Taylor or Mister Cartoon card. Don C is still a couple cards behind, but he just came out with one very recently, so not expecting him to drop.

We might get Efdot Ichiro and possibly a Sophia Chang card.

[mwheeler27]

Originally Posted by blakejamieson

As an artist, I'm not a fan of judging art based on the time spent on a single painting.

My paintings take 1 day to 1 week, but it took me 35 years to make THAT painting. The long hours and late nights of practicing and developing my style seem like they should play a part.

I get the question "how long did it take you" from athlete customers sometimes, and I tell them this: (football player example)

You play your game for 60 minutes like every other player. But each player gets paid different amounts. That's because you're not being paid for the time spent on that particular game. You're getting paid for the time you spend training, the double days, skipping parties and social events, and the physical and mental toughness it takes to play at your level.

What I can accomplish in an hour or a day is a LOT different than someone else with different preparation (for better or worse).

I agree with you 100% that it shouldn’t matter how much time an artist spends on a piece to determine its worth. But you’re leaving out one very important factor in your football analogy...

Some people are paid more than others because of raw talent and natural ability. Stuff they were born with.

Most people have to work extremely hard to compete. Like you said, they have to spend long hours crafting their skill, missing out on many fun aspects of life. Some even cheat by taking drugs to enhance their abilities. Others are born with skills most don’t have. Speed and size for instance are genetic.

I believe art is the same. Just about anyone can learn how to draw, paint, sculpt, etc. if they spend the time learning how to. If they are disciplined. Others somehow are born with the ability to please others with their work. Was it DaVinci’s teacher who never painted again once he realized his student was more than he could ever become? (I’ve heard that tale before but don’t recall the artist). Then there’s the story of the famous artist that wanted a particular job and to get it, he impressed his commissioner by drawing a perfect circle free-hand...something at the time most thought was impossible.

Talent is real. People are born with specific skill sets. I think we all are. Some of us never figure out what ours are. Some of us do.

[mwheeler27]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

i did not have "Matt becomes a (L)OLDMANALAN Baby Face" on my #2020 Bingo Card

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

tap the brakes "new guy"

If I’m the “Matt” you’re referring to, I hope you’re not implying I created a new account. If you are, you’d be grossly mistaken.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by 1977 Cloth

For Oldmanalan only two that are close

Clemente and Rivera

You can stretch for Williams and Robinson I guess.

I never said I was happy with Mister Cartoon pushing it as well. We all have thoughts on the matter, but to call Oldmanalan the best representation of this set is not right. Best art is something that is far from me to call out one way or another, but I will stand by my comments about the spirit of the project.

I don't see how you can say this. After the Gwynn and Koufax, everyone of his cards have been a representation of the card he is recreating. The Clemente and Williams are the exact cards with only the background different. The others are using different images from that season. Oldmamalan is exactly what this project is supposed to be, the artists recreation of iconic cards.You can have a different opinion on the artists, but what you are saying is just wrong. I take it by your opinion that you hate Shore, Fucci and Cartoon who aren't even attempting to use the cards.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by Pacmeyer

Sorry but your posts seem really defensive. If you've been following this thread for some time then you already know just saying how awesome you think Oldmanalan is won't instantly win him new supporters or get whatever existing fans to come out of the woodwork.

At the end of the day TBP's assessment is spot on. There are 19 (conventional) artists in this series. I think Oldmanalan is great at what he does but he's like the hobby equivalent of stunt casting.

No, TBP is wrong. He is not the arbiter for this project. Topps is the one who calls the shots, no one else. I don't see how some on this board want to give weight to hateful people.

[Oliroller]

I was not trying to be defensive. I appreciate everyone's opinion on these cards and believe it or not, I have read every single post in the thread. I am in no way saying that I believe Oldmanalan is the best true artist in the set, Naturel is in my opinion, but Oldmanalan could very well have the most cohesive, nicest looking 20 card run at the end. Whether people discount him for not sticking enough to the original card, that is their opinion. I just wanted to voice mine. And I cant wait for his Mays to drop tmrw or Tuesday so I can read the thread!

[DMS6391]

If you like oldmanalan that’s fine!

If you don’t like oldmanalan, that’s also fine!