2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

Kap got things started but he ultimately lost his job and future job prospects. Players these days will not lose their jobs.

They also won't force any widespread changes.

[packman80]

So ESPN saying Blakes family was in the meeting virtually when the Bucks decided not to play.

I do not get the martyrizing this guy. He admits to having a knife. He refused to comply to police orders to stop. Why are we acting like he was a victim of police brutality when his actions brought on what happened.

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by packman80

So ESPN saying Blakes family was in the meeting virtually when the Bucks decided not to play.

I do not get the martyrizing this guy. He admits to having a knife. He refused to comply to police orders to stop. Why are we acting like he was a victim of police brutality when his actions brought on what happened.

I'm not sure you're allowed to introduce the facts surrounding the situation into these things. You have to stick with "White cop shoots black man, commence rioting".

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

That's........not what "dog whistle" means.

A "dog whistle" is a term that seems innocuous, but carries a coded and socially-unacceptable double meaning that it typically picked up on by those who share that anti-social view.

If "Defund the Police" is really a "dog whistle" like you claim, what is the coded anti-social message it is trying to communicate?

Looks a lot more like gaslighting than dog whistling to me.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by pac213up

Players leverage owners as much as possible. Owners have the clout to influence local politicians. This is how stuff gets done, even if it happens slowly.

So money in politics and influence from the rich is good now?

I thought they were evil yesterday. I thought the plan was to tax the hell out of the rich so they don't hold as much wealth or influence.

[Athey49]

Originally Posted by packman80

The low life trash there started a rumor the police shot and killed him when he really killed himself. They then started looting business again. They are nothing but trash looking for any excuse to loot and riot.

Terrible people roaming around the cities, sounds like my brother is on his way back there with other state patrol members to help out. And by help out I mean stand there while they throw stuff at you and be told you can't do anything about it

[Jgil316]

The political pressure this administration puts on Independent entities is horrific and should be a huge red flag for all Americans!

Pressure on CDC for Plasma
Pressure on CDC for LESS testing
Pressure on Murdock to calm down Trump critics on Fox

How is this Democracy?

[Jgil316]

Last night Pence was a perfect example of why people call the Religious right - hypocritical

They can lie - but as long as they ask for forgiveness, everything is A-OK....

[Giantrobot]

I sure hope by boycotting these games that the NBA can help stop the ability of cops to defend themselves from criminals, and allow any black person to do whatever they want regardless of what they’ve done.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by Giancarlo27

Arguing about whether this specific instance of yet another black man being killed by police was justified is absolutely pointless. We already have more than enough videos and data that show black people are disproportionately killed and abused by police. I have no patience for anyone who is pissed that black NBA players don't want to continue entertaining you while society deems their lives to be worth less than those of white people

93% of deadly police shootings are committed against males.

In 2019, 34 police officers were killed by gunfire. In the same year, 14 unarmed blacks were killed by police (25 whites... whoever the F they were since we never hear about it).

Harvard professor Roland Fryer (he’s black) found no evidence of racial disparity in the victims of police shootings: https://scholar.harvard.edu/fryer/pu...lice-use-force — to be clear, there is statistical evidence that blacks and Latinos are more likely to be roughed up by the cops. But let’s not move the goalposts because that’s not the primary argument unless we’re willing to throw away the point of racial disparity in police shootings. I won’t move to B without first addressing A.

Thoughts?

[BTownCards]

His name is Roland Fryer !

And secondly his data doesn’t support my agenda.

Anyone have the combined rap sheets for the last 10 innocent people who were shot ?


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[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

The political pressure this administration puts on Independent entities is horrific and should be a huge red flag for all Americans!

Pressure on CDC for Plasma
Pressure on CDC for LESS testing
Pressure on Murdock to calm down Trump critics on Fox

How is this Democracy?

The Fox stuff is pretty silly haha.

There is nothing wrong with using plasma, hydroxychloroquine or anything else that may show it helps patients. There are multiple studies showing this has worked. It should be a choice at least. Doctors want to say, "Oh, not enough information is on that, so we can't back it... but wear a cloth mask even though the information on that, is also lacking."

And less testing I am all for. Healthy, asymptomatic people do not need to be tested. We're closing in on 6 months of partial shutdowns, and nearly a year of knowing about this virus. The data is there, the hospitals are empty. We failed on explaining these risks to people and it's time to explain it.

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

Last night Pence was a perfect example of why people call the Religious right - hypocritical

They can lie - but as long as they ask for forgiveness, everything is A-OK....

People who understand Christianity don't actually believe that, but I get that you needed something to put on blast.

[pac213up]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

So money in politics and influence from the rich is good now?

I thought they were evil yesterday. I thought the plan was to tax the hell out of the rich so they don't hold as much wealth or influence.

Good....no. The reality...yes.

The wealthy will always have more influence than the poor regardless of the size of gap that exists between the two.

[Packer4Rob]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

This is not a left/right issue.

I say 'good' because it gets people uncomfortable. It gets people inconvenienced. It gets people talking. Like any job, there will always be some bad people. Unfortunately, in police, those bad people have severe consequences on others and society as whole more so than any other profession. I get it that during some incidents, situations progress rapidly and the officer has to act on instinct. However, on the rare occasion, they shoot to shoot.

Equality is a larger issue than sports and the players are using their status to promote change. For those saying what would happen if they walked off their job...probably get fired. These players will not be fired and are standing up for those who are marginalized.

Kap got things started but he ultimately lost his job and future job prospects. Players these days will not lose their jobs.

I agree with you that this isn't a right/left issue, but everyone wants to make it one. Hence all the signs and push to vote over this, which will apparently solve the problem. Unfortunately, these incidents didn't only happen during Trumps presidency, and it will happen again regardless of who wins in November. If Biden wins, when another police shooting happens, it will suddenly become Bidens fault i'm sure, its just the nature of the divided political country we live in. So long as there is crime, and a small amount of criminals resist arrest and don't simply comply, the chances of one of those incidents escalating to the point where a cop has to make a split second decision will surely happen again. Every incident is now magnified 1000% over what it used to be, and with cell phones and mass media, people get glimpses of the incident faster than ever now, and that leads to what happened the last few nights in Kenosha. Heck, the vigilante shooting that happened Tuesday was live streamed. And my opinion of the Kenosha incident is that 7 shots was obviously excessive, especially since they were all from the same cop. However, I don't know all the facts of the few seconds leading up to the shots fired, and possibly the cop felt his life was in danger...we just don't know. If its found that the cop wasn't justified, he'll pay in prison, where i'm sure he'd be targeted. In regards to the athletes, yes, they certainly have brought attention to this, though boycotting isn't going to solve the problem. If they really want to help, they should work in their cities to help solve the poverty problem. They have a strong voice, and the financial means to do good. Create and fund programs that help strengthen families, promote staying in school and getting a good education, job training programs, staying out of gangs or using drugs, etc. Improving the life in our cities will go a long way to ending a lot of the problems we see today.

[Jgil316]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

The Fox stuff is pretty silly haha.

There is nothing wrong with using plasma, hydroxychloroquine or anything else that may show it helps patients. There are multiple studies showing this has worked. It should be a choice at least. Doctors want to say, "Oh, not enough information is on that, so we can't back it... but wear a cloth mask even though the information on that, is also lacking."

And less testing I am all for. Healthy, asymptomatic people do not need to be tested. We're closing in on 6 months of partial shutdowns, and nearly a year of knowing about this virus. The data is there, the hospitals are empty. We failed on explaining these risks to people and it's time to explain it.

During the Ebola outbreak in Africa - even though blood plasma was found it could be effective, they ran more tests to make sure it was working and even then, it took a while before it was approved. Hydro - has been proven to be nothing what so ever.


Now - here is where (I believe) you are mixing the 2 things together..... Asymptomatic people CAUSE community spread. End of story. If you are infected - and don't get tested, you go about your life like all is well and are essentially just like Typhoid Mary - spreading the virus. No where in testing do I say, shut things down again.....

To control this virus - (and this was said from the start) test MORE!
You test negative - go on with life
Positive - quarantine for 10-14 days and then you are good.

This narrative that Fox and this administration is feeding their supporters is exactly what got us, as a country - into this predicament we are in.

[NeedChapmans]

Sounds like the NBA players realized that they didn't actually accomplish anything. Perhaps because they didn't actually "do" anything.



I smell basketball coming back Friday!

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

They also won't force any widespread changes.

It already has.

Originally Posted by Jgil316

The political pressure this administration puts on Independent entities is horrific and should be a huge red flag for all Americans!

Pressure on CDC for Plasma
Pressure on CDC for LESS testing
Pressure on Murdock to calm down Trump critics on Fox

How is this Democracy?

Originally Posted by Jgil316

Last night Pence was a perfect example of why people call the Religious right - hypocritical

They can lie - but as long as they ask for forgiveness, everything is A-OK....

Exactly on point.

Originally Posted by Packer4Rob

I agree with you that this isn't a right/left issue, but everyone wants to make it one. Hence all the signs and push to vote over this, which will apparently solve the problem. Unfortunately, these incidents didn't only happen during Trumps presidency, and it will happen again regardless of who wins in November. If Biden wins, when another police shooting happens, it will suddenly become Bidens fault i'm sure, its just the nature of the divided political country we live in. So long as there is crime, and a small amount of criminals resist arrest and don't simply comply, the chances of one of those incidents escalating to the point where a cop has to make a split second decision will surely happen again. Every incident is now magnified 1000% over what it used to be, and with cell phones and mass media, people get glimpses of the incident faster than ever now, and that leads to what happened the last few nights in Kenosha. Heck, the vigilante shooting that happened Tuesday was live streamed. And my opinion of the Kenosha incident is that 7 shots was obviously excessive, especially since they were all from the same cop. However, I don't know all the facts of the few seconds leading up to the shots fired, and possibly the cop felt his life was in danger...we just don't know. If its found that the cop wasn't justified, he'll pay in prison, where i'm sure he'd be targeted. In regards to the athletes, yes, they certainly have brought attention to this, though boycotting isn't going to solve the problem. If they really want to help, they should work in their cities to help solve the poverty problem. They have a strong voice, and the financial means to do good. Create and fund programs that help strengthen families, promote staying in school and getting a good education, job training programs, staying out of gangs or using drugs, etc. Improving the life in our cities will go a long way to ending a lot of the problems we see today.

I agree with most of your opinion. Thanks for the reply.

[Jgil316]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

People who understand Christianity don't actually believe that, but I get that you needed something to put on blast.

I am Roman Catholic - and the hypocrisy is unfathomable

I don't need anything to put on blast - justifying to yourself, as a christian - that you can flat out lie .... only to go close yours eyes and ask for forgiveness is hypocrisy in it's purest form.

[NeedChapmans]

Early Thursday morning; bashing Christianity I see.

Gonna be a long day in the thread.

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

I am Roman Catholic - and the hypocrisy is unfathomable

I don't need anything to put on blast - justifying to yourself, as a christian - that you can flat out lie .... only to go close yours eyes and ask for forgiveness is hypocrisy in it's purest form.

You hate Christians, yay for you.

[Jgil316]

Originally Posted by cnewby

You hate Christians, yay for you.

Seriously - do you add anything to this thread other than drive by pot shots?

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

During the Ebola outbreak in Africa - even though blood plasma was found it could be effective, they ran more tests to make sure it was working and even then, it took a while before it was approved. Hydro - has been proven to be nothing what so ever.


Now - here is where (I believe) you are mixing the 2 things together..... Asymptomatic people CAUSE community spread. End of story. If you are infected - and don't get tested, you go about your life like all is well and are essentially just like Typhoid Mary - spreading the virus. No where in testing do I say, shut things down again.....

To control this virus - (and this was said from the start) test MORE!
You test negative - go on with life
Positive - quarantine for 10-14 days and then you are good.

This narrative that Fox and this administration is feeding their supporters is exactly what got us, as a country - into this predicament we are in.

Yes, but we have seen that testing is why we refuse to open anything. That mindset cannot continue. I'd agree if testing wasn't the reason for places to stay close, but it isn't. The only reason we are still shut down in many places is because of cases, that's it.

[Jgil316]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Early Thursday morning; bashing Christianity I see.

Gonna be a long day in the thread.

Not bashing at all - how about this though, instead of being a POS and then asking for forgiveness for the transgressions they commented.....

Why don't they just be a good person and do the right thing, all the time?

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

Seriously - do you add anything to this thread other than drive by pot shots?

Maybe you should re-read your posts before actually hitting 'submit'.