2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by hairysasquatch

She will parlay this into a mainstream media job.

Even worse, we're watching the explicit rejection of objectivity, empiricism, and every Enlightenment-era value that has made the modern world possible now go mainstream. How many times now have we seen Far Left individuals resort to some variation of this:



And yet she fails to see the irony in decrying the "white cis male structures" of an objective, reductionistic, mechanistic worldview and then concluding with an indictment of "systematic" slaughter.

"Systematic."

In other words, "I reject and oppose your hegemonic worldview of systems because, in my view, I see myself as the victim of systems."

(At the very least, she missed the opportunity to display some self-awareness and spell it "cis-tematically".)

[oldgoldy97]

Two fired from ASU in the same day. What’s in the water down there?

[TheFrenzy]

Listen, on the Far Right, these discussions of "alternative facts" and the Qanon conspiracies are nuts.

I reject them completely.

But what's sad is that now things have spiraled so far out of control on the Far Left that if I'm being objective I have to make a distinction between the two:

At least the conspiracy nuts are still operating within the bounds of reality. They believe reality exists. They believe that effect follows cause. They believe that objectivity and empiricism are our best tools for understanding reality. They are still playing by the same rules of the modern world—they just think that we've got some shadowy players elsewhere bending the rules of the game.

I think they've gone astray, but at worst (on an epistemological level) they're akin to a basketball player shooting the ball in the wrong hoop or a baseball player who rounds third heading to second. They've got things a bit backwards, but they're still playing the same sport.

This Far Left argument that objectivity itself is constructed and only serves to oppress and kill is insane. It's like that same basketball or baseball player suddenly pulling out a knife and stabbing everyone on the field because "There is no game. There are no rules. White straight males only invented these games so that I would keep dribbling and running bases while they killed me. Now I'm justified in fighting for my life."

In a nutshell, the problem with Critical Theory is that its intentionally not falsifiable. There's no "off" switch. I know the "witch hunt" metaphor is overplayed, but it's important to remember that the two key features of witch hunts were 1) all that mattered were the accusations, not the evidence and 2) the accused had no recourse to defend themselves.

At present, for all our discussions of racism/sexism/discrimination/oppression, no one has yet articulated any way of telling when something isn't racist/sexist/discriminatory/oppressive. There's no way of falsifying any claim that could be made and that's a terrible epistemology. But then again, apparently such systematic rationality is inherently unjust.........

What an upside down world.

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Two fired from ASU in the same day. What’s in the water down there?

The blonde with perfect teeth from Wyoming managed the student radio station and tweeted out Jacob Blake's police report detailing his sexual assault.

The POC with ethnic hair who calls herself "comrade" wrote for the student paper and tweeted out her excitement over the prospect of cops being killed.

Both probably have job offers already. I'd rather see media organizations just let everyone go who wants to blend their personal culture wars with journalism. It'd be more consistent than the current picking and choosing.

[stanmarsh]

Been seeing a lot of Biden signs in Florida. More than Clinton 4 years ago.

[hairysasquatch]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

Listen, on the Far Right, these discussions of "alternative facts" and the Qanon conspiracies are nuts.

I reject them completely.

But what's sad is that now things have spiraled so far out of control on the Far Left that if I'm being objective I have to make a distinction between the two:

At least the conspiracy nuts are still operating within the bounds of reality. They believe reality exists. They believe that effect follows cause. They believe that objectivity and empiricism are our best tools for understanding reality. They are still playing by the same rules of the modern world—they just think that we've got some shadowy players elsewhere bending the rules of the game.

I think they've gone astray, but at worst (on an epistemological level) they're akin to a basketball player shooting the ball in the wrong hoop or a baseball player who rounds third heading to second. They've got things a bit backwards, but they're still playing the same sport.

This Far Left argument that objectivity itself is constructed and only serves to oppress and kill is insane. It's like that same basketball or baseball player suddenly pulling out a knife and stabbing everyone on the field because "There is no game. There are no rules. White straight males only invented these games so that I would keep dribbling and running bases while they killed me. Now I'm justified in fighting for my life."

In a nutshell, the problem with Critical Theory is that its intentionally not falsifiable. There's no "off" switch. I know the "witch hunt" metaphor is overplayed, but it's important to remember that the two key features of witch hunts were 1) all that mattered were the accusations, not the evidence and 2) the accused had no recourse to defend themselves.

At present, for all our discussions of racism/sexism/discrimination/oppression, no one has yet articulated any way of telling when something isn't racist/sexist/discriminatory/oppressive. There's no way of falsifying any claim that could be made and that's a terrible epistemology. But then again, apparently such systematic rationality is inherently unjust.........

What an upside down world.

Well said. Of course, the Lefties in here will claim that you have portrayed them in extreme terms, but they will never condemn the likes of Comrade Alexia there at ASU because the struggle!

[lietuvalabas]

Originally Posted by stanmarsh

Been seeing a lot of Biden signs in Florida. More than Clinton 4 years ago.

Interesting. I was in Michigan labor day weekend and every boater around had Trump or blue lives flags. Was in Wisconsin fishing a few days ago and saw all Trump and just one lonely biden/Harris sign.

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by hairysasquatch

Well said. Of course, the Lefties in here will claim that you have portrayed them in extreme terms, but they will never condemn the likes of Comrade Alexia there at ASU because the struggle!

And before anyone argues that I see myself as oppressed, I will go on record saying that I am not oppressed but I am presented with a social conundrum:

I am told by society that I possess absolute political power and absolutely no moral power. And I am given no way to resolve this.

This is compounded by the recent turn against the very objectivity and working towards an "equal society" that had offered hope of a resolution. The idea had been that both the oppressed and the oppressor would agree to place moral power in the concept of equality and that political power would simultaneously decrease on the part of the oppressor and increase on the part of the oppressed with every step that we took towards that "colorblind" society.

[babyfaceposey]

Originally Posted by stanmarsh

Been seeing a lot of Biden signs in Florida. More than Clinton 4 years ago.

Where? Not in Pensacola area. Trump everywhere.

[DegaBama]

Impeachment round 2 for Trump? Hail Mary is on!

[trixstar]

Biden's remarks in Philly today about the SCOTUS situation were pretty much perfect. It won't make the far left happy but I don't think he could have done better

[hairysasquatch]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

And before anyone argues that I see myself as oppressed, I will go on record saying that I am not oppressed but I am presented with a social conundrum:

I am told by society that I possess absolute political power and absolutely no moral power. And I am given no way to resolve this.

This is compounded by the recent turn against the very objectivity and working towards an "equal society" that had offered hope of a resolution. The idea had been that both the oppressed and the oppressor would agree to place moral power in the concept of equality and that political power would simultaneously decrease on the part of the oppressor and increase on the part of the oppressed with every step that we took towards that "colorblind" society.

Send a note of thanks to Ibrahim X. Kendi.

[marl1220]

Definitely don't think the country will survive another Trump win. Between the riots...I mean demonstrations, and the Dems doing nothing for the country but trying to impeach Trump, I think we'd be screwed.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by marl1220

Definitely don't think the country will survive another Trump win. Between the riots...I mean demonstrations, and the Dems doing nothing for the country but trying to impeach Trump, I think we'd be screwed.

Bipartisanship in the 2020's is already on the ropes with this SCOTUS drama.

[gopherfan]

Originally Posted by jdandns

Sure, buddy, and what else did only you see?

Real videos can be used against anyone in them.
Fake ones shouldn't be used against anyone at all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPig-AllQe8

[Pete Schweddy]

Originally Posted by marl1220

Definitely don't think the country will survive another Trump win. Between the riots...I mean demonstrations, and the Dems doing nothing for the country but trying to impeach Trump, I think we'd be screwed.

I'm rooting for a Trump victory more to see the continued train wreck that is the meltdown of the lefties then for actually wanting him as president.

[Dielon]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

Listen, on the Far Right, these discussions of "alternative facts" and the Qanon conspiracies are nuts.

I reject them completely.

But what's sad is that now things have spiraled so far out of control on the Far Left that if I'm being objective I have to make a distinction between the two:

At least the conspiracy nuts are still operating within the bounds of reality. They believe reality exists. They believe that effect follows cause. They believe that objectivity and empiricism are our best tools for understanding reality. They are still playing by the same rules of the modern world—they just think that we've got some shadowy players elsewhere bending the rules of the game.

I think they've gone astray, but at worst (on an epistemological level) they're akin to a basketball player shooting the ball in the wrong hoop or a baseball player who rounds third heading to second. They've got things a bit backwards, but they're still playing the same sport.

This Far Left argument that objectivity itself is constructed and only serves to oppress and kill is insane. It's like that same basketball or baseball player suddenly pulling out a knife and stabbing everyone on the field because "There is no game. There are no rules. White straight males only invented these games so that I would keep dribbling and running bases while they killed me. Now I'm justified in fighting for my life."

In a nutshell, the problem with Critical Theory is that its intentionally not falsifiable. There's no "off" switch. I know the "witch hunt" metaphor is overplayed, but it's important to remember that the two key features of witch hunts were 1) all that mattered were the accusations, not the evidence and 2) the accused had no recourse to defend themselves.

At present, for all our discussions of racism/sexism/discrimination/oppression, no one has yet articulated any way of telling when something isn't racist/sexist/discriminatory/oppressive. There's no way of falsifying any claim that could be made and that's a terrible epistemology. But then again, apparently such systematic rationality is inherently unjust.........

What an upside down world.

Critical theory is one of the biggest reasons I myself wont vote for Biden and most likely will vote for Trump. If the Democrats do not get a stranglehold over this completely toxic ideology that has infected the mainstream, our university systems, sports, everything I cant support them. How do you speak out against it without the threat of being cancelled? I find it sad it had gone this far

[DegaBama]

Man, 200 million Americans are dead from COVID. RIP.

[wood minis]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

Impeachment round 2 for Trump? Hail Mary is on!

rest assured if Trump wins there will be a second impeachment.

[hairysasquatch]

Originally Posted by wood minis

rest assured if Trump wins there will be a second impeachment.

More bipartisanship! And, so what?

[hairysasquatch]

Originally Posted by marl1220

Definitely don't think the country will survive another Trump win. Between the riots...I mean demonstrations, and the Dems doing nothing for the country but trying to impeach Trump, I think we'd be screwed.

I think you're smarter than this comment reflects.

Can't be held hostage by the threat of riots. That's just weak.

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by wood minis

rest assured if Trump wins there will be a second impeachment.

I don't think so, democrats will need to focus on winning 2024. No point to try and impeach him if he does win a 2nd term.

[Madoka]

Originally Posted by hairysasquatch

I think you're smarter than this comment reflects.

Can't be held hostage by the threat of riots. That's just weak.

Comrade, not riots. Mostly peaceful protests.



They are not, generally speaking, even unruly.

[oldgoldy97]

If there were just more brave 17 year olds to go thin out the protesters.

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

If there were just more brave 17 year olds to go thin out the protesters.

I agree.