Russel Wilson 2012 Topps Chrome RC Prices ^$^

[747]

Originally Posted by MJRaider

$3000
$9000
$4000

this more like it

[jzx1103]

What about the Prizm towel up variation? Anyone know how much rarer it is? I found one of those in my pile of Russell Wilsons.

[hoos]

Originally Posted by jzx1103

What about the Prizm towel up variation? Anyone know how much rarer it is? I found one of those in my pile of Russell Wilsons.

Currently 355 vs. 72 total PSA pop, and 242 vs. 59 total BGS pop, if that tells you anything. I’d also think a larger percentage of the variation would have been subbed than the towel down in the past when the base card wasn’t worth much.

[BeastMode27]

So if Russ throws 50 TD’s (mvp a given then) his Chrome refractor PSA 10 with a very low pop will sell for a fraction of a Lamar Prizm Silver PSA 10. Makes sense.

[Hawksmack]

Originally Posted by BeastMode27

So if Russ throws 50 TD’s (mvp a given then) his Chrome refractor PSA 10 with a very low pop will sell for a fraction of a Lamar Prizm Silver PSA 10. Makes sense.

You can’t manipulate unless you’ve got it. That’s the real problem. No inventory.

[RW3isTHEGOAT]

Originally Posted by BeastMode27

So if Russ throws 50 TD’s (mvp a given then) his Chrome refractor PSA 10 with a very low pop will sell for a fraction of a Lamar Prizm Silver PSA 10. Makes sense.

lmaoooo facts bro. I was thinking more of 20k on the Chrome refractor RC 10 if he wins MVP... Assuming base chrome 10s would be going for 3-4k at that point, I wouldn't see why his POP 16 refractor 10 would go for 4.5-5x more.....

Disclaimer: yes I own 2 of the 16.. do I think it could fetch 20k if he wins MVP? Yes.

I think a SB win is obviously more important then an MVP though... Seahawks really need to add a couple pieces on Defense and they would be basically unstoppable....

[BeastMode27]

Originally Posted by RW3isTHEGOAT

lmaoooo facts bro. I was thinking more of 20k on the Chrome refractor RC 10 if he wins MVP... Assuming base chrome 10s would be going for 3-4k at that point, I wouldn't see why his POP 16 refractor 10 would go for 4.5-5x more.....

Disclaimer: yes I own 2 of the 16.. do I think it could fetch 20k if he wins MVP? Yes.

I think a SB win is obviously more important then an MVP though... Seahawks really need to add a couple pieces on Defense and they would be basically unstoppable....

You may want him to slow down then. MVP in NFL means no super bowl victory. Usually you get a super bowl loss from it though. His current defense will not get him a super bowl, no matter how good he is.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by BeastMode27

You may want him to slow down then. MVP in NFL means no super bowl victory. Usually you get a super bowl loss from it though. His current defense will not get him a super bowl, no matter how good he is.

It’s not even guaranteed they get to the playoffs. The division is stacked and it’s not as if the Hawks have a good defense like they have in the past. Once they play some games in the division it will be clearer to see.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

It’s not even guaranteed they get to the playoffs. The division is stacked and it’s not as if the Hawks have a good defense like they have in the past. Once they play some games in the division it will be clearer to see.

Guaranteed? No.

But they are 3-0 and have already played who is probably the only decent challenge in their NFC East matchups. Plus they see Miami and the Jets.

With 7 teams making the playoffs this year, it'd be tough to see them not getting in, unless, the injury bug really hits their passing attack.

[Ra3]

Originally Posted by hoos

Currently 355 vs. 72 total PSA pop, and 242 vs. 59 total BGS pop, if that tells you anything. I’d also think a larger percentage of the variation would have been subbed than the towel down in the past when the base card wasn’t worth much.

So I know this is dumb, but even after looking at recent ebay sales I can’t for the life of me figure out whether the towel up variation actually sells for more than the towel down one. I would think that it would, especially given the big difference in population numbers but it doesn’t seem that obvious to me that there’s a huge difference. It seems for every example I can find of a higher-priced sale of a variation version, I find another one where it’s not the case...am I wrong in this?

[RW3isTHEGOAT]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

It’s not even guaranteed they get to the playoffs. The division is stacked and it’s not as if the Hawks have a good defense like they have in the past. Once they play some games in the division it will be clearer to see.

Very good chance of going 4-0 next week after playing the dolphins.... than they come back home to play the inconsistent Vikings, which I actually think could be a tester/is a very important game.

Nonetheless, a very good chance of going 5-0 heading into their bye week.

Nothing is guaranteed, but they are off to a fantastic start and the outlook is very bright.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Guaranteed? No.

But they are 3-0 and have already played who is probably the only decent challenge in their NFC East matchups. Plus they see Miami and the Jets.

With 7 teams making the playoffs this year, it'd be tough to see them not getting in, unless, the injury bug really hits their passing attack.

Completely forgot about the 7 team format

That said, Cam runs that ball in 9 times out of 10. They have a sieve of a defense compared to the rest of the division (or the NFL for that matter), and a very good offense. That’s a recipe for disaster in the NFL. While they’ve been in the win column twice with close games, they could very easily be on the Falcons end of the spectrum with how they hemorrhage yardage (worst in the league).

I’ve got them pegged for 8-9 wins with that defense. They’re not winning the division though.

[RW3isTHEGOAT]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Completely forgot about the 7 team format

That said, Cam runs that ball in 9 times out of 10. They have a sieve of a defense compared to the rest of the division (or the NFL for that matter), and a very good offense. That’s a recipe for disaster in the NFL. While they’ve been in the win column twice with close games, they could very easily be on the Falcons end of the spectrum with how they hemorrhage yardage (worst in the league).

I’ve got them pegged for 8-9 wins with that defense. They’re not winning the division though.

they're definitely winning the division and getting more than 9 wins lol... I assume eventually They are gonna go after some guys on defense to help their lacking pass rush.

Also Russ is balling out right now and no matter how bad the Defense is, he is gonna keep them in close games, and deliver in crunch time.

Ik last season the chiefs defense was not nearly as bad as the Seahawks D this year, but they gave up a decent amount of points in games last year, but the high powered offense was good enough to keep them in games and win the shootouts and the D was pretty solid through the playoffs.....

Thats what I see Russ and that offense doing in the regular season, and by the time playoffs role around the defense is locked in.

Seahawks are my pick to win the SB.

[BRob1]

Originally Posted by RW3isTHEGOAT

Very good chance of going 4-0 next week after playing the dolphins.... than they come back home to play the inconsistent Vikings, which I actually think could be a tester/is a very important game.

Nonetheless, a very good chance of going 5-0 heading into their bye week.

Nothing is guaranteed, but they are off to a fantastic start and the outlook is very bright.

5-0 seems pretty likely, then the next 5 are all potentially losable. Not saying they will lose all 5, but they could lose any of them. Cardinals, Niners, Bills, Rams, Cardinals.

After 10 games you’ll have a good idea where they stand. 8-2 after 10 would be outstanding, 7-3 is possible. Anything less means they hit a skid in that 5 game stretch.


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[RW3isTHEGOAT]

Originally Posted by BRob1

5-0 seems pretty likely, then the next 5 are all potentially losable. Not saying they will lose all 5, but they could lose any of them. Cardinals, Niners, Bills, Rams, Cardinals.

After 10 games you’ll have a good idea where they stand. 8-2 after 10 would be outstanding, 7-3 is possible. Anything less means they hit a skid in that 5 game stretch.


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agreed, I was going to mention that is a very tough stretch... although weeks 12-15 they play the Eagles, Giants, Jets, and Washington.

4 games that they should win on paper.

All the Seahawks divisional games should be fun/interesting.

very possible that 3 playoff teams come out of that division...

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by RW3isTHEGOAT

they're definitely winning the division and getting more than 9 wins lol... I assume eventually They are gonna go after some guys on defense to help their lacking pass rush.

Also Russ is balling out right now and no matter how bad the Defense is, he is gonna keep them in close games, and deliver in crunch time.

Ik last season the chiefs defense was not nearly as bad as the Seahawks D this year, but they gave up a decent amount of points in games last year, but the high powered offense was good enough to keep them in games and win the shootouts and the D was pretty solid through the playoffs.....

Thats what I see Russ and that offense doing in the regular season, and by the time playoffs role around the defense is locked in.

Seahawks are my pick to win the SB.

Chiefs had a pass rush and gave up 19 points a game. They weren’t some all time defense but they weren’t slouches.

Matty Ice threw for 440 (2nd highest of career)
Cam threw for 397 (3rd highest of career)
Dak threw for 472 (career high)

QBs are having career days against this defense. They have no pass rush or secondary. It won’t hold up and they SHOULD be 1-2 right now but had a STELLAR goal line stop against Cam and the Cowboys being the Cowboys and shooting themselves in the foot.

I don’t know for certain but a cursory glance lends me to believe this may end up being the worst pass defense in history, or definitely one of the worst.

I don’t disagree that Russ is MVP though. He’s won them these games with other worldly play.

[jzx1103]

So with how Russ RC are rising, I decided to go back into the closet and pull out the common boxes again, couple of months ago I only looked to see how many Russ's Prizm, Chrome, Finest, and Platinum Rc and Refractors I had and left the other lower end stuff like Strata, base Topps etc alone. Now even those are worth digging up. Spend 2+ hours and found these.




Did not even realize one of the Strata Rc was a parallel /150 until I was toploading them. Also found the following non-russ cards that used to not worth much back then. but now with how popular Chrome refractors are. They're finally worth the time and effort for me to sell as singles.

[BravesFan4Life]

Originally Posted by RW3isTHEGOAT

they're definitely winning the division and getting more than 9 wins lol... I assume eventually They are gonna go after some guys on defense to help their lacking pass rush.

Also Russ is balling out right now and no matter how bad the Defense is, he is gonna keep them in close games, and deliver in crunch time.

Ik last season the chiefs defense was not nearly as bad as the Seahawks D this year, but they gave up a decent amount of points in games last year, but the high powered offense was good enough to keep them in games and win the shootouts and the D was pretty solid through the playoffs.....

Thats what I see Russ and that offense doing in the regular season, and by the time playoffs role around the defense is locked in.

Seahawks are my pick to win the SB.

Ok now my comment will come with a giant caveat because I cannot stand the entire Seahawks organization, most of the players, fan base and generally anything to do with the team(the shocking arrogance of a fan base with one Super Bowl win is still baffling to me). I am still weirded out that we have Richard Sherman on the team(so yes I am a Niners fan), Wilson is playing out of his mind but a lot of it is because that defense is absolute garbage. They may challenge the Saints of several years back for historic awfulness in the passing defense, 430 yards allowed per game is not sustainable if they expect to get to the Super Bowl much less win it. Wilson is not going to have his A game every single week and if that happens in the playoffs you are toast. The division is going to be very competitive this year, it is not going to be an easy road for them against any of the 3 teams. The West is going to beat itself up but the winner will be a strong candidate for the NFC Champion and a SB bid. They are not going to magically develop a pass rush or find teams willing to trade said pass rushers. The Niners have dealt with an insane amount of injuries so far this year, no guarantees your team does not experience issues further down the road. I get you are a Seahawks fan based on your posts and the name but be a bit realistic in your expectations. The Legion of Boom is not going to walk through that door next week and suddenly turn around that D. You should know better than anyone defenses win championships, you won one and lost one based on defense in back to back years.

[gottagitdemjs]

This years Seahawks team reminds me the of the 2018 Chiefs. They won most of their games like 38-35, 42-38, 33-32, etc. They did get to the cusp of a super bowl, but this is hard to maintain especially when people can and will get hurt.

[2010GBPackers]

Originally Posted by RW3isTHEGOAT

they're definitely winning the division and getting more than 9 wins lol... I assume eventually They are gonna go after some guys on defense to help their lacking pass rush.

Also Russ is balling out right now and no matter how bad the Defense is, he is gonna keep them in close games, and deliver in crunch time.

Ik last season the chiefs defense was not nearly as bad as the Seahawks D this year, but they gave up a decent amount of points in games last year, but the high powered offense was good enough to keep them in games and win the shootouts and the D was pretty solid through the playoffs.....

Thats what I see Russ and that offense doing in the regular season, and by the time playoffs role around the defense is locked in.

Seahawks are my pick to win the SB.

Man, you're doing a great job pumping your guy - who's having a great year, by the way. But after you've done so then you go and get greedy and say something ridiculous. No sh!t the Seahawks are your pick to win the SB. I'm pretty sure you have them penciled in for the next 5 at this point. You may want to take a step back and listen to the points posters have made about your defense, though. This ain't 2012-2016 anymore. Kudos to RW3 if he can do this every week. I just don't see it.

Also, I know the hobby has blown up recently and similar to you, I've been waiting for Rodgers TC refractor PSA 10 to blow up for many, many years. It's a lower pop (13 vs. 16) than the RW and until recently consistently sold in the $3k range. And that's with 2 more MVP's, 2 more All-Pro selections, and 1 All-Decade team selection more than RW3. He's having a great year no doubt, but $20k if he wins MVP for his TC refractor PSA 10? Well, I've been wrong before but that seems very high.

[packerfan4200]

Originally Posted by 2010GBPackers

Man, you're doing a great job pumping your guy - who's having a great year, by the way. But after you've done so then you go and get greedy and say something ridiculous. No sh!t the Seahawks are your pick to win the SB. I'm pretty sure you have them penciled in for the next 5 at this point. You may want to take a step back and listen to the points posters have made about your defense, though. This ain't 2012-2016 anymore. Kudos to RW3 if he can do this every week. I just don't see it.

Also, I know the hobby has blown up recently and similar to you, I've been waiting for Rodgers TC refractor PSA 10 to blow up for many, many years. It's a lower pop (13 vs. 16) than the RW and until recently consistently sold in the $3k range. And that's with 2 more MVP's, 2 more All-Pro selections, and 1 All-Decade team selection more than RW3. He's having a great year no doubt, but $20k if he wins MVP for his TC refractor PSA 10? Well, I've been wrong before but that seems very high.

$20K is laughable. Also, I guarantee that pop is going to quadruple in next few months. Still not high or anything, but you can bet your ass that everyone and their momma who digs a russell Wilson refractor that used to be $15 card for 7 years, out of their common boxes is group subbing them bad boys to PSA like ASAP.

[dizzydolse]

I bought his Prizm RC Auto /250 in January for $229 haha.

[jasonm2121]

Originally Posted by BeastMode27

So if Russ throws 50 TD’s (mvp a given then) his Chrome refractor PSA 10 with a very low pop will sell for a fraction of a Lamar Prizm Silver PSA 10. Makes sense.

Ha exactly, good cards in low pop cannot be manipulated like those commons ones we have been seeing this year. I do not believe half of the comps at all.

[tfazzz]

I could see the contenders Auto PSA 10 going into that 15-20K mark, not sure about the TC refractor.... Only 550 copies, plus a redemption..

[jrnelson]

Originally Posted by tfazzz

I could see the contenders Auto PSA 10 going into that 15-20K mark, not sure about the TC refractor.... Only 550 copies, plus a redemption..

me too, the 2012 contenders design is one of the best, plus the auto is on card!