The Official Jayson Tatum Collectors Thread: Showoffs and Discussion...

[dengbang]

Too much bs'ing in this thread. Show me some nice Tatums! Thank you

[Jdan67]

Wasn’t the outcome I hoped for, but here’s my favorite JT. Celts will be back.



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[dengbang]

Originally Posted by Jdan67

Wasn’t the outcome I hoped for, but here’s my favorite JT. Celts will be back.

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Love that green on green!

[Justin7]

Originally Posted by shindo03

What you're saying is that because I didn't post in the Giannis thread the same thing as I did in the Jayson Tatum thread and that this is a double standard I am making? Correct?

Looks to me like there's player specific threads and this is the only Tatum thread. Thanks once again for sharing your opinion. I still disagree.

Why you think it's such a big deal to disagree about something is beyond me and why you result to insults, is also beyond me. I didn't complain when people came to the Giannis thread and insulted him, I laughed at them for not seeing greatness. I'm not just saying you're right and there's a double standard- I am saying you are wrong. This is the only Tatum thread as that was the only Giannis thread just as there's many other player specific threads, this happens in every player specific thread and it's not going to suddenly change.

People are free to criticize a player as they are free to promote a player. All of this is done in player specific threads. Perfectly normal. If you'd like to try to gate keep threads, I'd suggest speaking to someone else as one of the biggest flaws of BO is the gate-keeping like what you are doing now. Your aspersion to attempt to presume bias of anyone who disagrees with you by calling them a "heat fan" (which I am not) or rambling on about riots is both childish and pedantic. I understood what you were saying and I seeing as how this is the only Tatum thread on here- disagree with you. Deal with that.

[thedylanceltics]

Originally Posted by Justin7

Looks to me like there's player specific threads and this is the only Tatum thread. Thanks once again for sharing your opinion. I still disagree.

Why you think it's such a big deal to disagree about something is beyond me and why you result to insults, is also beyond me. I didn't complain when people came to the Giannis thread and insulted him, I laughed at them for not seeing greatness. I'm not just saying you're right and there's a double standard- I am saying you are wrong. This is the only Tatum thread as that was the only Giannis thread just as there's many other player specific threads, this happens in every player specific thread and it's not going to suddenly change.

People are free to criticize a player as they are free to promote a player. All of this is done in player specific threads. Perfectly normal. If you'd like to try to gate keep threads, I'd suggest speaking to someone else as one of the biggest flaws of BO is the gate-keeping like what you are doing now. Your aspersion to attempt to presume bias of anyone who disagrees with you by calling them a "heat fan" (which I am not) or rambling on about riots is both childish and pedantic. I understood what you were saying and I seeing as how this is the only Tatum thread on here- disagree with you. Deal with that.

Seems a little douchy to go into a thread that is for sharing Tatum CARDS and saying 40% drop. Making fun of people for possibly losing money is a little weird. If you were criticizing HIM after the game, that is different.


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[Justin7]

Originally Posted by thedylanceltics

Seems a little douchy to go into a thread that is for sharing Tatum CARDS and saying 40% drop. Making fun of people for possibly losing money is a little weird. If you were criticizing HIM after the game, that is different.


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And yet this was done in every thread when each player got eliminated from the playoffs in the Luka thread for sharing CARDS and the Giannis thread for sharing CARDS. I agree it’s a little douchey but you can’t just hand it out and not expect to get it right back. It’s very relevant to the hobby and Tatum, this performance was sub par. He missed the wide open tech, bricked a ton of 3s in the 4th and was now where to be seen in the opening minutes of all these games.

[Jdan67]

Originally Posted by Justin7

And yet this was done in every thread when each player got eliminated from the playoffs in the Luka thread for sharing CARDS and the Giannis thread for sharing CARDS. I agree it’s a little douchey but you can’t just hand it out and not expect to get it right back. It’s very relevant to the hobby and Tatum, this performance was sub par. He missed the wide open tech, bricked a ton of 3s in the 4th and was now where to be seen in the opening minutes of all these games.

LOL- Dude you are completely cherry picking on data and extracting only the negative. How about the fact that he had a career high in assists last night? He had an OK series, he's definitely got to improve on certain things. The reason the celtics lost is due to matchup issues at the PG and C positions. Tatum did a overall good job, not stellar. Tatum haters need to realize this guy is sharing the ball with 3 other all star caliber players. If you want to bring up Giannis, he's sharing it with what, .5-1 depending on the year for Middleton?

[Justin7]

Originally Posted by Jdan67

LOL- Dude you are completely cherry picking on data and extracting only the negative. How about the fact that he had a career high in assists last night? He had an OK series, he's definitely got to improve on certain things. The reason the celtics lost is due to matchup issues at the PG and C positions. Tatum did a overall good job, not stellar. Tatum haters need to realize this guy is sharing the ball with 3 other all star caliber players. If you want to bring up Giannis, he's sharing it with what, .5-1 depending on the year for Middleton?

An OK series for someone who is supposedly "On par with Kobe" and "already a superstar" lol. He was expected to be there in the clutch. Yes? Was he? No. He got the looks and shots stop pretending like he didn't. He missed important shots when it mattered and had to start giving the ball up to give them a chance. He plays a useful position, that's why he's valued but he's not a true superstar.

Where is Tatum's DPOY? MVP? Other MVP?
Oh while if he's a superstar and he has none of that- I guess he won some chips right?

0. Well at least he dropped amazing stats in the playoffs and showed up in the clutch like Luka right? Nope.

His ceiling is Kawhi Leonard and that's IF everything works out for the Celtics. He won't ever win an MVP thus no hobby value nor is he some clutch superstar who can get you playoff wins so his usefulness is that he plays a useful position that can fit into any team and plays defense. Those are not superstar characteristics for the hobby. Luka and Giannis are transcending what has ever been achieved by anyone and getting accolades that matter, he's competing with them and he will never beat them on an individual level at anything so his only hope is for team success which he has fallen short of.

[thedylanceltics]

Originally Posted by Justin7

And yet this was done in every thread when each player got eliminated from the playoffs in the Luka thread for sharing CARDS and the Giannis thread for sharing CARDS. I agree it’s a little douchey but you can’t just hand it out and not expect to get it right back. It’s very relevant to the hobby and Tatum, this performance was sub par. He missed the wide open tech, bricked a ton of 3s in the 4th and was now where to be seen in the opening minutes of all these games.

Never said that it is ok for it to happen to other players. Just because others did it, doesn’t make it right. Making fun of people losing money in a thread where people are showing their cards of a player is stupid


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[Justin7]

Originally Posted by thedylanceltics

Never said that it is ok for it to happen to other players. Just because others did it, doesn’t make it right. Making fun of people losing money in a thread where people are showing their cards of a player is stupid


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I agree! Good thing I wasn't doing that. Keep in mind these people were saying things like "I feel bad for all who invested. haha losing money" as in literally. Where as I was stating a fact that his cards will dip probably 40%, not making fun of anyone .

[Jdan67]

Originally Posted by Justin7

An OK series for someone who is supposedly "On par with Kobe" and "already a superstar" lol. He was expected to be there in the clutch. Yes? Was he? No. He got the looks and shots stop pretending like he didn't. He missed important shots when it mattered and had to start giving the ball up to give them a chance. He plays a useful position, that's why he's valued but he's not a true superstar.

Where is Tatum's DPOY? MVP? Other MVP?
Oh while if he's a superstar and he has none of that- I guess he won some chips right?

0. Well at least he dropped amazing stats in the playoffs and showed up in the clutch like Luka right? Nope.

His ceiling is Kawhi Leonard and that's IF everything works out for the Celtics. He won't ever win an MVP thus no hobby value nor is he some clutch superstar who can get you playoff wins so his usefulness is that he plays a useful position that can fit into any team and plays defense. Those are not superstar characteristics for the hobby. Luka and Giannis are transcending what has ever been achieved by anyone and getting accolades that matter, he's competing with them and he will never beat them on an individual level at anything so his only hope is for team success which he has fallen short of.

Dude relax, it seems like your blood pressure may be a bit high. It'll be OK. Not going to waste too much time responding to you- Who is saying Tatum is on par with prime Kobe or has expectations that he should be there already? It's his 3rd year, tell me where Giannis was in Y3? Tatum's 22 man. To say Kawhi is his ceiling is pretty damn good lmao. His playoff performance was good, not great. Celt's made the ECF, did they not? Miami looks great with some sharp shooters that were firing last night. You can attribute the loss just as much to Marcus Smart or Kemba, or Theis who scored 6 pts. You sound ignorant man.

[Justin7]

Originally Posted by Jdan67

Dude relax, it seems like your blood pressure may be a bit high. It'll be OK. Not going to waste too much time responding to you- Who is saying Tatum is on par with prime Kobe or has expectations that he should be there already? It's his 3rd year, tell me where Giannis was in Y3? Tatum's 22 man. To say Kawhi is his ceiling is pretty damn good lmao. His playoff performance was good, not great. Celt's made the ECF, did they not? Miami looks great with some sharp shooters that were firing last night. You can attribute the loss just as much to Marcus Smart or Kemba, or Theis who scored 6 pts. You sound ignorant man.

Don’t worry talking passionate about bball is not personal or upsetting in any way don’t worry about that I love this #@#@#@#@.

Yes many people said he had expectations of a true superstar and comparisons to Kobe have been made constantly. He’s not close. Kawhi is his ceiling for sure, Kawhi is great. Luka is 21, Giannis is 25, neither are in their primes. Guys like ja Booker etc. all young even bam Simmons Zion are long shots with potential. Then he’s also competing with kd steph harden embiid Jokic lillard ad etc. ad sure the latter 3 are past their prime but embiid jokic ad are all 25-27.

With no chips no dpoys no mvps and very low odds of ever winning an mvp what can he possibly accomplish other than what Kawhi did which is win a few chips? And that’s best case. He’s interesting because he plays a high demand position in the nba and he has media hype. His only hope is to hide on a good team because he could never carry like Luka and Giannis do.

[Jdan67]

Originally Posted by Justin7

Don’t worry talking passionate about bball is not personal or upsetting in any way don’t worry about that I love this #@#@#@#@.

Yes many people said he had expectations of a true superstar and comparisons to Kobe have been made constantly. He’s not close. Kawhi is his ceiling for sure, Kawhi is great. Luka is 21, Giannis is 25, neither are in their primes. Guys like ja Booker etc. all young even bam Simmons Zion are long shots with potential. Then he’s also competing with kd steph harden embiid Jokic lillard ad etc. ad sure the latter 3 are past their prime but embiid jokic ad are all 25-27.

With no chips no dpoys no mvps and very low odds of ever winning an mvp what can he possibly accomplish other than what Kawhi did which is win a few chips? And that’s best case. He’s interesting because he plays a high demand position in the nba and he has media hype. His only hope is to hide on a good team because he could never carry like Luka and Giannis do.

Lets leave Luka aside, I'm a strong believer that he is far and away better than others in the league for his age. Giannis is also absolutely better than Tatum currently. Start comparing apples to apples. please tell me, what was Giannis stat line and accomplishments for Y3 in the league? Please advise. You don't have a crystal ball to see what his ceiling is or what he will/wont accomplish. So go off facts/data and standardize that for your arguments. At the end of Y3 what were people saying about Giannis?

[heatdawg]

A lot of prices were too high, had to come down. I did not see Tatum in this manner, if anything I saw him creeping up a little bit more. This volatility does not make any sense. Tatum holders (I am not one) should not worry going forward. He is a bright spot in the hobby which is very dark right now. He is very young and you have many fun seasons ahead to watch Tatum grow and become the player most of us can see that he is. Luckily though, unlike a lot of other talent out there, he has a great team around him with a great coach. So much upside to Tatum.

I would feel good about a Tatum investment, I invested in Simmons instead being a Philly fan, go me :P

[jurule]

Originally Posted by Justin7

Don’t worry talking passionate about bball is not personal or upsetting in any way don’t worry about that I love this #@#@#@#@.

Yes many people said he had expectations of a true superstar and comparisons to Kobe have been made constantly. He’s not close. Kawhi is his ceiling for sure, Kawhi is great. Luka is 21, Giannis is 25, neither are in their primes. Guys like ja Booker etc. all young even bam Simmons Zion are long shots with potential. Then he’s also competing with kd steph harden embiid Jokic lillard ad etc. ad sure the latter 3 are past their prime but embiid jokic ad are all 25-27.

With no chips no dpoys no mvps and very low odds of ever winning an mvp what can he possibly accomplish other than what Kawhi did which is win a few chips? And that’s best case. He’s interesting because he plays a high demand position in the nba and he has media hype. His only hope is to hide on a good team because he could never carry like Luka and Giannis do.

Wow, this Justin is real hater on Tatum. A 22yr old already the best player on his team in an ECF. He is just getting started and I would keep his cards long term as he will be a HOFer

[Justin7]

Originally Posted by Jdan67

Lets leave Luka aside, I'm a strong believer that he is far and away better than others in the league for his age. Giannis is also absolutely better than Tatum currently. Start comparing apples to apples. please tell me, what was Giannis stat line and accomplishments for Y3 in the league? Please advise. You don't have a crystal ball to see what his ceiling is or what he will/wont accomplish. So go off facts/data and standardize that for your arguments. At the end of Y3 what were people saying about Giannis?

You're not comparing apple to apples here and also cherry picking one guy when I mentioned 12 names Tatum's competing with. Giannis did not come into the league with hype like Tatum did, it'd be like comparing Zion to Pascal Siakam and asking what Siakam accomplished by Y2 or comparing Luka to KD and asking what KD accomplished by Y2. Of course I can make the argument Luka is better than KD on that but that's a ridiculous argument. Tatum doesn't have some secret development coming he's not a developmental player and shouldn't be compared to one.

You are forgetting this competition is direct. This is a zero-sum game. He's directly in competition with: Luka (19) Giannis (25) Jokic (25) AD (27) Ben Simmons (23) AD (27) Zion (19) Ja Morant (20) Donovan Mitchell (23) Bam Adebayo (22) Embiid (26). For the next 2-5 years also competing with: Lillard (29) Kawhi Leonard (29) Kevin Durant (31) Harden (30) Lebron James (35) Steph Curry (32).

There is 1 MVP 1 DPOY and 1 Chip. The only hobby upside he has is if he achieves those. Will he ever win a DPOY with Giannis in the league? How about while AD is here? Better defender than Bam? Simmons? Embiid? Kawhi? Could go on and on. Those are just the guys the media knows about too. What are the odds he wins an MVP while competing with this level of talent? You are betting both that he will one day be better than the guys who he'll be competing with when they are in their primes (Giannis, Jokic, Simmons, Donovan Mitchell, Booker, Embiid) but also betting he will develop to be better than the young guys Zion Ja Bam Luka etc. not to mention the new draft picks.

Once again there's only 1 MVP to win. Can he beat all of those guys at once like superstars do? He either has to get past one of the guys in his prime now on the KD Steph Harden Lebron Kawhi list or beat the guys who will be in their prime on the next tier. Not to mention Giannis who is already winning even though he hasn't hit his prime yet. You've got AD too. Then add all the young talent that could turnout better. His MVP shot is extremely low unless it's pure media narrative.

Once again there's only 1 DPOY to win. Not really an argument here, he's a good defender but no DPOY.

Only 1 chip to win. The league is packed with talent and many teams are "one piece away" not to mention all the teams who are already great. A tough feat for any player. If you win 2 and combine that with some DPOY stuff, you can be Kawhi Leonard, that's a realistic ceiling unless you actually think they'll win 4-5 (no evidence of this). His prices will never see the levels they were at in August/Sept 2020 until he either does this or MVP. They won't surpass them until he does multiple consistently. He can't beat these players on individual accolades and the odds his team will be good enough to actually lead them to 3+ chips to give him actual value is pretty low with this talent in the league. It's possible he could be a 2nd star next to an AD or a Giannis, that'd be a killer team but as the main guy he's not doing it multiple times on a level to be compared to those who are currently transcending the game and we've got a lot of those in the league right now.

[Tnooky]

Tatum had a good series. He showed that he can be a good playmaker and get others involved, as shown by his increase in assists in the playoffs. Shooting percentage could certainly be improved, but you have to take into account that Tatum is generally the guy who is forced to take a lot of last second shots at the end of the shot clock. His defense is also excellent, which could eventually separate him from Luka.

[Jdan67]

Originally Posted by Justin7

You're not comparing apple to apples here and also cherry picking one guy when I mentioned 12 names Tatum's competing with. Giannis did not come into the league with hype like Tatum did, it'd be like comparing Zion to Pascal Siakam and asking what Siakam accomplished by Y2 or comparing Luka to KD and asking what KD accomplished by Y2. Of course I can make the argument Luka is better than KD on that but that's a ridiculous argument. Tatum doesn't have some secret development coming he's not a developmental player and shouldn't be compared to one.

You are forgetting this competition is direct. This is a zero-sum game. He's directly in competition with: Luka (19) Giannis (25) Jokic (25) AD (27) Ben Simmons (23) AD (27) Zion (19) Ja Morant (20) Donovan Mitchell (23) Bam Adebayo (22) Embiid (26). For the next 2-5 years also competing with: Lillard (29) Kawhi Leonard (29) Kevin Durant (31) Harden (30) Lebron James (35) Steph Curry (32).

There is 1 MVP 1 DPOY and 1 Chip. The only hobby upside he has is if he achieves those. Will he ever win a DPOY with Giannis in the league? How about while AD is here? Better defender than Bam? Simmons? Embiid? Kawhi? Could go on and on. Those are just the guys the media knows about too. What are the odds he wins an MVP while competing with this level of talent? You are betting both that he will one day be better than the guys who he'll be competing with when they are in their primes (Giannis, Jokic, Simmons, Donovan Mitchell, Booker, Embiid) but also betting he will develop to be better than the young guys Zion Ja Bam Luka etc. not to mention the new draft picks.

Once again there's only 1 MVP to win. Can he beat any of those guys? He either has to get past one of the guys in his prime now on the KD Steph Harden Lebron Kawhi list or beat the guys who will be in their prime on the next tier. Not to mention Giannis who is already winning even though he hasn't hit his prime yet. You've got AD too. Then add all the young talent that could turnout better. His MVP shot is extremely low unless it's pure media narrative.

Once again there's only 1 DPOY to win. Not really an argument here, he's a good defender but no DPOY.

Only 1 chip to win. The league is packed with talent and many teams are "one piece away" not to mention all the teams who are already great. A tough feat for any player. If you win 2 and combine that with some DPOY stuff, you can be Kawhi Leonard, that's a realistic ceiling unless you actually think they'll win 4-5 (no evidence of this). His prices will never see the levels they were at in August/Sept 2020 until he either does this or MVP. They won't surpass them until he does multiple consistently. He can't beat these players on individual accolades and the odds his team will be good enough to actually lead them to 3+ chips to give him actual value is pretty low with this talent in the league. It's possible he could be a 2nd star next to an AD or a Giannis, that'd be a killer team but as the main guy he's not doing it multiple times on a level to be compared to those who are currently transcending the game and we've got a lot of those in the league right now.

Your argument that there's only 1 of X Award goes for every single player in the NBA. Let's get real DPOY is not a driver of the hobby. It's about championships and MVP's. And more than that, it's about Age/hype. Today's prices all built on the hobby communities predictions of what a player can potentially accomplish in the future. Dude to be honest, Tatum DID NOT have that much hype prior to February of this year, nowhere near that of Zion or even Ja. And to be honest, many would say that Luka and Giannis are the only ones on your list of younger guys ahead of Tatum in terms of potential. You have no idea what the future holds for any player, but to say Tatum's skillset, size, athleticism doesn't make for a potential recipe to be top 5 in the league is pure ignorance. Look at Tatum's statistical improvements YoY in every single category, why is he a player that cant continue to improve? Oh, and you still haven't told me Giannis stats in Y3.

[Justin7]

Originally Posted by Jdan67

Your argument that there's only 1 of X Award goes for every single player in the NBA. Let's get real DPOY is not a driver of the hobby. It's about championships and MVP's. And more than that, it's about Age/hype. Today's prices all built on the hobby communities predictions of what a player can potentially accomplish in the future. Dude to be honest, Tatum DID NOT have that much hype prior to February of this year, nowhere near that of Zion or even Ja. And to be honest, many would say that Luka and Giannis are the only ones on your list of younger guys ahead of Tatum in terms of potential. You have no idea what the future holds for any player, but to say Tatum's skillset, size, athleticism doesn't make for a potential recipe to be top 5 in the league is pure ignorance. Look at Tatum's statistical improvements YoY in every single category, why is he a player that cant continue to improve? Oh, and you still haven't told me Giannis stats in Y3.

Yes 1 of x award, direct competition, zero-sum game. Strong disagree on DPOY there, Jordan winning DPOYs was always a huge hobby boon for him because it separates him, winning both DPOY and MVPs puts you in a whole other tier with generational talents. Ok so you are betting on potential but the price for potential isn't there. That's a bad bet. People were expecting results. Therefore, he's grossly overvalued. The only reason he had that kind of value is because the international community bought the hobby hype and as they move on to the next thing...welp. I get it I bet on potential sometimes too but this potential has to start producing results which is going to come up directly against the competition that is generational talents in Luka + Giannis as well as all the high potential young players + the current greats and he already had the expectation to be a clutch player in the playoffs which he did not achieve. There's just no room for him, he has to directly beat these players and he doesn't have *it*.

[Jdan67]

Originally Posted by Justin7

Yes 1 of x award, direct competition, zero-sum game. Strong disagree on DPOY there, Jordan winning DPOYs was always a huge hobby boon for him because it separates him, winning both DPOY and MVPs puts you in a whole other tier with generational talents. Ok so you are betting on potential but the price for potential isn't there. That's a bad bet. People were expecting results. Therefore, he's grossly overvalued. The only reason he had that kind of value is because the international community bought the hobby hype and as they move on to the next thing...welp. I get it I bet on potential sometimes too but this potential has to start producing results which is going to come up directly against the competition that is generational talents in Luka + Giannis as well as all the high potential young players + the current greats and he already had the expectation to be a clutch player in the playoffs which he did not achieve. There's just no room for him, he has to directly beat these players and he doesn't have *it*.

Disagree. You're clearly unable to separate your dislike/hate for celtics/tatum and the actual statistical improvement of Tatum's game YoY. Arguing with you is a zero-sum game. Im not sitting here saying Tatum is the best player in the league, or even close. But with your stance this hobby would implode because what your saying is that there is only room for 1 or 2 guys. So what about the rest of the guys who have cards selling in the 4 figure range for some cards. YOU have no idea what the future is for the hobby demand, player performance. Oh, you still haven't answered my Giannis Y3 question. Kick rocks my man.

[401cards]

Originally Posted by Justin7

Yes 1 of x award, direct competition, zero-sum game. Strong disagree on DPOY there, Jordan winning DPOYs was always a huge hobby boon for him because it separates him, winning both DPOY and MVPs puts you in a whole other tier with generational talents. Ok so you are betting on potential but the price for potential isn't there. That's a bad bet. People were expecting results. Therefore, he's grossly overvalued. The only reason he had that kind of value is because the international community bought the hobby hype and as they move on to the next thing...welp. I get it I bet on potential sometimes too but this potential has to start producing results which is going to come up directly against the competition that is generational talents in Luka + Giannis as well as all the high potential young players + the current greats and he already had the expectation to be a clutch player in the playoffs which he did not achieve. There's just no room for him, he has to directly beat these players and he doesn't have *it*.

So he has to beat the "generational talents" Luka and Giannis that got eliminated one round earlier than he did? The Giannis whose team got beat by the same team Tatum's team lost to, winning half as many games?

[Jdan67]

Originally Posted by 401cards

So he has to beat the "generational talents" Luka and Giannis that got eliminated one round earlier than he did? The Giannis whose team got beat by the same team Tatum's team lost to, winning half as many games?

Lol exactly. This guy is clearly emotionally invested in to Tatum not succeeding. Oh, he's a Philly guy....all makes sense now.

[Justin7]

Originally Posted by 401cards

So he has to beat the "generational talents" Luka and Giannis that got eliminated one round earlier than he did? The Giannis whose team got beat by the same team Tatum's team lost to, winning half as many games?

Oh how cute you're comparing teams to teams instead of players to players. Giannis is 3x the player Tatum is and if Tatum was on the Bucks instead of Giannis they wouldn't even make the playoffs. Hell Luka is twice the player Tatum is. The Celtics are a vastly superior team to the Mavericks and the Bucks. They have multiple all-star level players whereas the Mavs have Kristaps a bunch of nobody's and the Bucks have Middleton and a bunch of nobody's.

Jaylen Brown is almost as good as Tatum, he's a clear all star level talent. If you don't see that it's on you. Marcus Smart is a top 3 defensively versatile guard in the NBA. Kemba Walker is a perennial all-star. The Mavs and Bucks got none of that. They both have 1 under achieving perennial all-star and a bunch of guys who either can't play defense or can't play offense. Tatum has all the help in the world and still couldn't do anything of note.

[thedylanceltics]

Originally Posted by Justin7

Oh how cute you're comparing teams to teams instead of players to players. Giannis is 3x the player Tatum is and if Tatum was on the Bucks instead of Giannis they wouldn't even make the playoffs. Hell Luka is twice the player Tatum is. The Celtics are a vastly superior team to the Mavericks and the Bucks. They have multiple all-star level players whereas the Mavs have Kristaps a bunch of nobody's and the Bucks have Middleton and a bunch of nobody's.

Jaylen Brown is almost as good as Tatum, he's a clear all star level talent. If you don't see that it's on you. Marcus Smart is a top 3 defensively versatile guard in the NBA. Kemba Walker is a perennial all-star. The Mavs and Bucks got none of that. Tatum has all the help in the world and still couldn't do anything of note.

Giannis clearly had problems against the Heat. You can’t hate on Tatum for struggling and then praise Giannis for playing worse against the same team.


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[Jdan67]

Originally Posted by Justin7

Oh how cute you're comparing teams to teams instead of players to players. Giannis is 3x the player Tatum is and if Tatum was on the Bucks instead of Giannis they wouldn't even make the playoffs. Hell Luka is twice the player Tatum is. The Celtics are a vastly superior team to the Mavericks and the Bucks. They have multiple all-star level players whereas the Mavs have Kristaps a bunch of nobody's and the Bucks have Middleton and a bunch of nobody's.

Hahahah my man, you are so emotional and disconnected......literally making arguments for us. Tatum has the stats and improvements on a team comprised of WAY MORE TALENT. You just sound foolish when you saying Player X is 3 times the player of Tatum, Player Y is 2 times the player. FYI here's Giannis' Stats Y3 (rebs, ast, ppg). Giannis averaging a minute more per game. Why was Giannis so much more special than Tatum to develop in to what he is than Tatum is now?
7.7 4.3 16.9

Here's Tatums:
7.0 3.0 23.4