PSA Grading price increase

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by clocsta2323

This is why I do my own submissions. People are too blatant subbing cards that are overtly above the rate in which they are subbing. I don't doubt for a second it pisses off whoever is grading a bulk sub to have to deal with Luka Silvers and whatever else. Honestly, it's discourteous to the other people in the submission who have scruples.

Josh weeds these out now.

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

You are missing the point entirely. Everyone welcomes upcharges. Better grades, higher value that completely offsets the increase in submission cost. The problem is that now there’s this terrible window where PSA can upcharge you from $10 to $50 for a card that they believe the value is $100.

I get it. Just having some fun on a boring morning.

[progers9119]

It's interesting that on one hand PSA is now going to be recommending certain folks for group submissions, but on the other hand lowering the minimum number of cards from 100 all the way down to 20.

Seems like they strongly want to have cards come from individuals rather than groups with that significant drop.

[SidVish]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

The main page says the service is suspended. Curious move. They’re going to upcharge to $50 to grade a card that is worth $100?

I'd like to know if this is true because then it wouldn't even be worth it to sub those cards.

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by progers9119

It's interesting that on one hand PSA is now going to be recommending certain folks for group submissions, but on the other hand lowering the minimum number of cards from 100 all the way down to 20.

Seems like they strongly want to have cards come from individuals rather than groups with that significant drop.

I also thought that was interesting. Now every guy with 20 cards is going to send them in on his own.

[andrewjjones]

Be smart, buy $CLCT

[progers9119]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

I also thought that was interesting. Now every guy with 20 cards is going to send them in on his own.

This is a total guess but it could be as simple as a result of their new box barcodes they're having folks attach to every box that they receive. That could facilitate a significant improvement in their backlogged organization. It won't necessarily speed up anything, but they'll have a better grasp of what's on deck.

[waytoomanycards]

Originally Posted by progers9119

It's interesting that on one hand PSA is now going to be recommending certain folks for group submissions, but on the other hand lowering the minimum number of cards from 100 all the way down to 20.

Seems like they strongly want to have cards come from individuals rather than groups with that significant drop.

I think they're trying to minimize the number of people who send in large orders of cheaper cards. If group submitters offer lower prices, the low end stuff will be going through them.

[griffan15]

Originally Posted by dcarado

Anybody hearing anything from the big groups yet? I'm hearing reports of some large submitters who still have the 20-day as an option on their account.

I'm not as large as the guys who do group submissions, but I am a PSA Dealer and I do get the Preferred Pricing. That being said, I have the 20-day option still, but they increased it $5/card. They also increased the 10-day option by $5/card. Regardless of Preferred Pricing, the biggest issue at PSA is still the log times. They can't catch up as the orders are still piling up. So these "20-day" submissions still take twice as long, if not more due to the log times. I just had a 20-day submission get logged on 9/26 and they received it on 8/16...that's a real problem. I also have a "20-day" submission that was logged on 8/31 and it's still in research. 20 days has come and gone and not even in the grading milestone yet. It's a 235 card order too.

[tmoore_25]

Originally Posted by progers9119

It's interesting that on one hand PSA is now going to be recommending certain folks for group submissions, but on the other hand lowering the minimum number of cards from 100 all the way down to 20.

Seems like they strongly want to have cards come from individuals rather than groups with that significant drop.

Maybe PSA wants individuals submitting cards. Maybe it will make it easier for them to spot the trimmers.

I don't know. I have to go back and reevaluate my cards now because I have quite a few of the lower end Economy level cards that I definitely would have preferred to have in PSA instead of SGC cases. I like to think of myself as an amateur photo variation collector and I prefer those cards in PSA. I have a bunch from Flagship and Topps Chrome that I intended to send to PSA but now will have to go to SGC. I guess I will wait for Josh to send out an update and see if the group submitters get any kind of deals from PSA.

[epatmythes]

Originally Posted by progers9119

It's interesting that on one hand PSA is now going to be recommending certain folks for group submissions, but on the other hand lowering the minimum number of cards from 100 all the way down to 20.

Seems like they strongly want to have cards come from individuals rather than groups with that significant drop.

I would expect to see them put the 50 and 100 card minimum levels back in place... if/when they lift the suspension on Economy level submissions!

[rngrdanny22]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Just take a look at any PCS sub.

Originally Posted by mcpheely

Khal is correct. This happens all the time. Josh had people submitting Luka silvers on Bulk orders. It has happened to me on many occasions. Just because it hasn't happened to you, or a high value card doesn't get upcharged, doesn't mean it doesn't happen all the time. Come on guys.

Some of my examples.

Orange Ice Zion upcharged to $75 from a regular order.

Acuna White Jersey SSP upcharged to $200 from a $75 order.

Kris Bryant and Mike Trout 1st BC autos, both upcharged on a Crossover order.

MJ RC upcharged from $75 to $200 because it received a better grade than expected.

I have to ask. Were these bulk submissions, or a specific service level?

I've had approx. 40 bulk submissions with cards that were <$100 raw, and easily >$100 once graded. Between 4-5K cards total, and have never been upcharged.

Has anyone ever been upcharged on a bulk submission (not through a group submission)?

[clocsta2323]

Originally Posted by rngrdanny22

I have to ask. Were these bulk submissions, or a specific service level?

I've had approx. 40 bulk submissions with cards that were <$100 raw, and easily >$100 once graded. Between 4-5K cards total, and have never been upcharged.

Has anyone ever been upcharged on a bulk submission (not through a group submission)?

Never. Thousands of cards. Personal submissions. I think the rule of thumb is... don't be an ass with declared value. PSA has a long leash for DV and people have abused it. They literally ask submitters to be reasonable in their Declared Value section. Of course, like all things in life, some idiots ruin it for everybody else.

[ddearing]

Also remember that if your card is damaged at PSA, they will only credit you what you have put on the sheet for that card's declared value. So, if you send in a Luka Silver and put it's value at $99, they can mash that card in the machine and give you $99 credit.

[griffan15]

Originally Posted by rngrdanny22

I have to ask. Were these bulk submissions, or a specific service level?

I've had approx. 40 bulk submissions with cards that were <$100 raw, and easily >$100 once graded. Between 4-5K cards total, and have never been upcharged.

Has anyone ever been upcharged on a bulk submission (not through a group submission)?

Originally Posted by clocsta2323

Never. Thousands of cards. Personal submissions. I think the rule of thumb is... don't be an ass with declared value. PSA has a long leash for DV and people have abused it. They literally ask submitters to be reasonable in their Declared Value section. Of course, like all things in life, some idiots ruin it for everybody else.

I have, but you need to basically jump 2 tiers before you get upcharged...if that makes any sense.

If I send in bulk, I get cards back that are valued $100-499 all the time, no upcharge. But if a card gets sent back and is now $500+, I'm getting the upcharge for sure.

This happened recently with Ja Morant base prizms. I think 10s were reaching $600-700 when I got my order back and I got the $20 upcharge on all of them. The PSA 9s that were selling for $200, no upcharge.

PSA 10s are now around $400, so I wouldn't be surprised if I didn't get upcharges now (I think I still have a few at PSA).

[clocsta2323]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Josh weeds these out now.

They should be put on a permanent ban list. It ruins the entire submission. I would never risk it.

[mcpheely]

Originally Posted by clocsta2323

They should be put on a permanent ban list. It ruins the entire submission. I would never risk it.

You can't ban people because of wild market fluctuations. I sent in 5 Lebron Prizm base cards on a bulk. They were $20 cards raw when I sent. During the 4-5 months they were out of my possession, PSA 10 went over $700, and now, back down to under $300. How was I supposed to know a $20 card would do that? Banning is ridiculous.

[pjray55]

if I have an online submission for Economy that I entered yesterday but did not ship can I mail that out today?

[Vinny1984]

Originally Posted by ddearing

Also remember that if your card is damaged at PSA, they will only credit you what you have put on the sheet for that card's declared value. So, if you send in a Luka Silver and put it's value at $99, they can mash that card in the machine and give you $99 credit.

Serious question. Has this ever happened to anyone?

[BreaultCards]

Originally Posted by pjray55

if I have an online submission for Economy that I entered yesterday but did not ship can I mail that out today?

Yes you can

[clocsta2323]

Originally Posted by mcpheely

You can't ban people because of wild market fluctuations. I sent in 5 Lebron Prizm base cards on a bulk. They were $20 cards raw when I sent. During the 4-5 months they were out of my possession, PSA 10 went over $700, and now, back down to under $300. How was I supposed to know a $20 card would do that? Banning is ridiculous.

That's different. You subbed cards bought for $20 within the bulk guidelines. PSA doesn't and has never subjected itself to market fluctuations. The people who get up-charged are habitual offenders.

[rngrdanny22]

Originally Posted by Vinny1984

Serious question. Has this ever happened to anyone?

Yes. In 4-5K cards, it's happened to me once.

It was an NNO Guerrero they got sliced when sealing the cases. They gave me the declared value back, which I think I had at $20 at the time (because that's what raw was going for).

Hence, I didn't declare the value at the post-graded value, I declared the value at the cost to me to be able to replace.

[Mister2Bits]

Originally Posted by Vinny1984

Serious question. Has this ever happened to anyone?

Yup.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...ight=Juan+soto

[clocsta2323]

Originally Posted by Mister2Bits

Yup.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...ight=Juan+soto

What's your point? PSA melted one Juan Soto card corner. Don't send acetate cards to PSA, I guess? Perfection is an illusion.

[maddux31]

Originally Posted by clocsta2323

What's your point? PSA melted one Juan Soto card corner. Don't send acetate cards to PSA, I guess? Perfection is an illusion.

Also happened to my brother on a PSA 10 2020 Flagship Yordan Alvarez Black/70. Hell of a card for that to happen to. Pinched the entire right edge of the card. Ever wondered who sent in a PSA 3? That's the card...