2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

It isn’t just a money issue. It is a systemic issue involving a lot of different things, but not paying a living wage to someone that works forty hours a week in the richest country in the world is inexcusable.

And yes, it would come from the rich.

I'm certain that I could stay alive on $17,000 a year.

[Ray27Ray52]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

It isn’t just a money issue. It is a systemic issue involving a lot of different things, but not paying a living wage to someone that works forty hours a week in the richest country in the world is inexcusable.

And yes, it would come from the rich.

There are some jobs that are not, and should not be, designed to pay a liveable wage. A fry cook at Mcdonald's is a job that anyone can do. You should be compensated for your level of skill at said job, not making a "living" off it.

I worked about 30 hours a week at Blockbuster Video for 4.25 an hour when I was 18. Should I have made $15 an hour to do that? No. Want to know why? Because I was a nobody. I wasn't in management, I wasn't a supervisor, I was just an underling who rented overpriced VHS and DVD's to people. The turnover at this position is tremendous for a good reason. That's because the job itself isn't designed to be a lifetime position to raise a family on.

If you aren't making enough money to live on, go get another job. It's really not that difficult. Despite what the bleeding hearts may make you believe.

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[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

So, what you’re saying is screw those people? Hey should be relegated to living a life of total poverty and not being able to afford to live?



Again, that makes you a really awful individual if that is the case.

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[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

The idea that simply working hard gets you ahead is false. There are plenty of people that work multiple jobs and 50-60 hours a week and they still barely get by.

I firmly believe that if you work 40 hours a week at the very least you should be able to live at least somewhat comfortably but that often isn’t the case in this country. I also believe that having a large chunk of the country one emergency away from a financial disaster isn’t sustainable.

Also, struggle with little hope of significantly improving your situation doesn’t build character...it builds resentment and hopelessness.

Then find a way to move up. Get creative with your spending. If you choose to work 60 hrs a week stocking Walmart shelves, that’s on you. Supply and demand. You are easily replaceable and as such earn a minimal income if that’s the job you settle for. I’ve have low income before, but realized my worth at the time, and never thought anyone owed me more just because I spent X number of hours on the clock.

Develop more skills. Find ways to make yourself more attractive to companies. I’m not here to spoon feed anyone the answers. The fact that our kids aren’t dying from dysentery and I can turn a dial to set the temperate in my home is incredible. The rest is gravy. You can keep crying and blaming everyone else for why your music degree hasn’t earned you a baller lifestyle, but I see a guy who puts more effort into feeling sorry for himself than he does trying to find solutions to improve his own outcomes in life.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

A while back, a friend of mine told me he had saved up $10,000. Since he worked as a painter, I found that hugely impressive. He intended to buy his own paint sprayer and go into business for himself.

I asked him how he managed to save up so much money. His answer was twofold. First, he suggested getting a good cable tv package. Haha. But then he said that he just imagined what he would do if he had no savings, and then did that.

When his truck broke down, he didn't take it to a shop. He googled how to fix it himself. When he needed dental work, he went across the border (to Mexico) and got it done super cheap. He simply found cheaper ways to live. He went without many things. He sacrificed.

I was impressed. Here was a single father in his mid-thirties with no education and a young daughter, and he was getting it done.


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Exactly. My wife and I bought a house that needed a lot of work. I’ve lost track of all the time and money I put into it. I learned tiling, finish plumbing, trim, electrical work, fixed my own condenser when it broke, etc etc. All from the internet. But I have a solution oriented mindset and believe I can do anything. Some people are more inclined to feel sorry for themselves and tap out easy.

[Alvarez09]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

Notice that I haven't made a single comment about you personally. These things never fail to reveal character.

Who said "screw those people"? A person can stay alive on minimum wage. A three bedroom house and an SUV aren't guaranteed rights.

How about this: when you get that paycheck, don't blow it over the weekend. Grind and make sacrifices for a year. Wow, now you can get a nicer apartment. Do it for another year while showing up for work every day. Maybe now you get a dollar-per-hour bump. That's an extra $2,000 in a year. Save a little more. One day you're an assistant manager, because you've been a loyal, hard-working employee.

I'll sit back and listen to why this is so ridiculous and why I should just send my money to them instead.

Again, the complete disconnect. In most places you can’t I’ve on minimum wage.

[Alvarez09]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

I'm certain that I could stay alive on $17,000 a year.

Then do it buddy. Live on Clearing like 1100 a month in Pittsburgh. Good luck when the best you can do rent wise for a one bedroom is maybe 500-600. Go for it!

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

Then do it buddy. Live on Clearing like 1100 a month in Pittsburgh. Good luck when the best you can do rent wise for a one bedroom is maybe 500-600. Go for it!

The tough guy approach! Noice!!!

[Alvarez09]

Hey all, just pull yourself up by your bootstraps! If you are living paycheck to paycheck you are a lazy piece of dirt!

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

Hey all, just pull yourself up by your bootstraps! If you are living paycheck to paycheck you are a lazy piece of dirt!

you words, not ours.

[Onions]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

Still no one can answer. How do you fix stagnating salaries, the wealth gap, and income gap. We’ve tried tax breaks and trickle down and it has redistributed the wealth from the bottom 90% to the top 1%.

Incentivise products made in the US. Make it worth their while for companies to move production back here. Tax the hell out of Chinese and some other foreign made goods.

On the ladder from lower class to upper middle class, we kicked out a rung with our China policy. And here we are on the cusp of electing a bag man for China. Amazing. Talk about voting against your best interests.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

Again, the complete disconnect. In most places you can’t I’ve on minimum wage.

In most places you don't have to live on minimum wage.

It's a choice.

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[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

Again, the complete disconnect. In most places you can’t I’ve on minimum wage.

The definition of "live" is different for you and me.

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

Then do it buddy. Live on Clearing like 1100 a month in Pittsburgh. Good luck when the best you can do rent wise for a one bedroom is maybe 500-600. Go for it!

Why would I choose to "go for it" when I earned two degrees and have a career that will pay me more than that?

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

Hey all, just pull yourself up by your bootstraps! If you are living paycheck to paycheck you are a lazy piece of dirt!

Said no one here.

[Alvarez09]

Originally Posted by cnewby

The tough guy approach! Noice!!!

Not the tough guy approach, but it is incredibly insulting to someone to tell them just to try harder and their issues will be fixed, then tell them if they can’t live on minimum wage they are just irresponsible.

But in any case.

1100 a month cleared.

550 for rent.
100-150 for utilities.
100 for a transit pass here, and you better hope you have access because our public transit sucks.
50 dollars for maybe a burner phone
70 dollars for internet, as I consider that a need if you want to find better employment.

That means you are spending 850-900 on just that listed above. Good luck on living on 200 for everything else you need!

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by jdandns

I want your job, which seems to require 0 hours per week.
Exactly how much does the welfare pay in your state, anyway?

As for the rest, you're wrong as usual.
Shocker.

Bounced righties (Min: 100 posts in thread)
hairy
jernick
chezzy
T-pikes
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Sibes
Geech (said he was voting Trump)
whodatiz
wiseguy917
jacquo

lefties:
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I'll be posting the same as usual.
Results will be the same.

Yup. I was too lazy to do the re-search, I knew it was a significant discrepancy.

[Alvarez09]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

Why would I choose to "go for it" when I earned two degrees and have a career that will pay me more than that?

Because you are insulting people that say it is a struggle. Put your money where your mouth is then. See how doable it is instead of demeaning people that do struggle with that exact situation.

[Ray27Ray52]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

Hey all, just pull yourself up by your bootstraps! If you are living paycheck to paycheck you are a lazy piece of dirt!

Yes to the first sentence. No to the second.

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by Onions

Incentivise products made in the US. Make it worth their while for companies to move production back here. Tax the hell out of Chinese and some other foreign made goods.

On the ladder from lower class to upper middle class, we kicked out a rung with our China policy. And here we are on the cusp of electing a bag man for China. Amazing. Talk about voting against your best interests.

I'd argue that's the worst thing you can do for people living on minimal wage. They will be paying way more for essentials than they did before. Just cause you can handle the price increase of essentials doesn't mean that the majority of low income workers can.

[mike1498]

What happened to Geech?

[Brobocop]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

Yup. I was too lazy to do the re-search, I knew it was a significant discrepancy.

Are there accusations of a liberal bias? Not even Blowout is safe from the leftist media!!!

Honestly though, just browsing through, it does feel like there are a lot more posters that lean right, but I could be wrong. I don't read every post and only come check this thread out once every few days or so.

[Onions]

Originally Posted by mike1498

I'd argue that's the worst thing you can do for people living on minimal wage. They will be paying way more for essentials than they did before. Just cause you can handle the price increase of essentials doesn't mean that the majority of low income workers can.

Those are the people that will be helped the most. They will have higher paying jobs to move in to. That is the rung that was kicked out. Moving production overseas has been devastating.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by mike1498

What happened to Geech?

Once the NBA got all political, there was a thread in the NBA section where Geech and Sibs said some things that got them in trouble. That thread turned into a dumpster fire real quick. I'm not sure exactly what was said.