2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[trixstar]

George Carlin’s bit about pro life people is as true today as it ever was.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

I think we all have a different American vision. I and many on the left want people to have a fair shake and a chance at improving my situation without having to work two jobs and 60+ hours a week.


The right wants to make sure the rich accumulate more and more money at the expense of everyone else.

I think we all have a different American vision. I and many on the right want people to have a fair shake and a chance at improving my situation without having to pay for other people to come up without earning it.

The left wants to make sure the successful pay more and more money to everyone else.

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[free2131]

Maybe the answer is somewhere in the middle?

Maybe personal responsibility plays a huge role in how good or bad your life turns out...

...AND...

...a full time job that isn't enough to support someone and give them the basics they need to live (which includes healthcare) shouldn't exist in a country as prosperous as ours?

Couldn't it be a little bit of one and a little bit of the other?

[coachnip13]

Things I've learned today:

It's unreasonable that some people work 60+ hours in a week
Basic needs include a cell phone and internet access
Having a roommate to share expenses is an unnecessary burden
Mom should be able to stay home with three kids while the family collects government assistance

[Alvarez09]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

Alvarez09 isn't pissed that he has had it bad. He's pissed that others have had it good. That's the entire rub.

No, I’m pissed that the system is rigged and that a lot of people being screwed by it have been brainwashed into believing it helps them.

[Boo]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

Lol, no way. They worry so much about unborn babies but care one bit once they are born.

Which is a valid point. They blame the parents for being irresponsible but what control does a child born into a poor household have over that and why by extension punish them...all that does is perpetuate the cycle.

At least you agree it's not rich people's fault for the bad decisions some poor people make. See personal responsibility is awesome.

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

Lol, no way. They worry so much about unborn babies but care one bit once they are born.

Which is a valid point. They blame the parents for being irresponsible but what control does a child born into a poor household have over that and why by extension punish them...all that does is perpetuate the cycle.

And your solution is to have me pay for that child's three-bedroom house, since mom certainly can't go out and get a job and isn't responsible for bringing three kids into the world.

Essentially: "I will do what I want, now help me pay for it".

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

Lol, no way. They worry so much about unborn babies but care one bit once they are born.



Which is a valid point. They blame the parents for being irresponsible but what control does a child born into a poor household have over that and why by extension punish them...all that does is perpetuate the cycle.

Punish them? How?

I'd say killing them is punishment. I'm not for that. No.

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[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

No, I’m pissed that the system is rigged and that a lot of people being screwed by it have been brainwashed into believing it helps them.

Then don't rely on the system.

[Alvarez09]

Originally Posted by free2131

Maybe the answer is somewhere in the middle?

Maybe personal responsibility plays a huge role in how good or bad your life turns out...

...AND...

...a full time job that isn't enough to support someone and give them the basics they need to live (which includes healthcare) shouldn't exist in a country as prosperous as ours?

Couldn't it be a little bit of one and a little bit of the other?

Totally on board with this. I don’t think the other side will agree...I’ve been told McDonald’s, Walmart, amazon warehouse are all jobs that shouldn’t support someone to live off of.

Honestly, even 15 an hour in some locations is going to really stretch a budget to live on.

As far a the kids thing that keeps getting thrown around, it often has ugly racial undertones.

[irv]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

I think we all have a different American vision. I and many on the left want people to have a fair shake and a chance at improving my situation without having to work two jobs and 60+ hours a week.

The right wants to make sure the rich accumulate more and more money at the expense of everyone else.

The liberal, entitled mind and TDS is a mysterious thing that just keeps giving.

[coachnip13]

Of course, none of this is surprising. If we expect people to take on the responsibility of raising their own kids, the push back is "I THOUGHT YOU WERE PRO-CHOICE?????"

The desperation is alarming.

[discostu]

Originally Posted by jdandns

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...cretary-quotes

From the article:
And taking her cue from the president, McEnany played down the threat of the coronavirus. On Trish Regan’s Fox Business Network show in late February, she praised Trump’s partial Chinese travel ban and asserted: “We will not see diseases like the coronavirus come here. And isn’t it refreshing when contrasting it with the awful presidency of President Obama?”

You don't say?

Originally Posted by Boo

Like everyone else, including Dr Fakeci and Biden.

To be honest (and I'm not expecting you to be), you'd surely understand the timeline of people like Fauci and Biden playing down the virus.

To be understanding of the basics of science (and I'm not expecting you to be), you'd surely know that science evolves as data comes in.

Fauci, Biden, and the vast majority of humans have learned that the virus is far more of a threat than it was perceived when it first hit China.

There is nothing wrong with making preliminary (errant) judgements based on incomplete or unknown data, there is however a problem when you do not adapt to current data.

Trump has never shifted. Never evolved. And those in his stratosphere have toed that Trump line. It's unfortunate that so many have tested positive in the White House, but it's not January or February...we shouldn't have been blindsided by this.

[Alvarez09]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Punish them? How?

I'd say killing them is punishment. I'm not for that. No.

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What would you call, at no fault of their own, growing up in a household that can’t even afford to feed them?

[Ray27Ray52]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

Totally on board with this. I don’t think the other side will agree...I’ve been told McDonald’s, Walmart, amazon warehouse are all jobs that shouldn’t support someone to live off of.

Honestly, even 15 an hour in some locations is going to really stretch a budget to live on.

As far a the kids thing that keeps getting thrown around, it often has ugly racial undertones.

The bolded is totally made up and complete BS. Please be better than that. Unless you are comfortable accusing others of the things that are in your head.

[Boo]

So now having kids is racist

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

What would you call, at no fault of their own, growing up in a household that can’t even afford to feed them?

I would call that better than death.

ETA: weren't you the one that was saying it's not cool to let poor people just die? But it's cool to kill them now?
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[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

As far a the kids thing that keeps getting thrown around, it often has ugly racial undertones.

Legit laughed out loud at this. You people just can't help yourselves. You managed to bring pro-choice into this while now alluding to our closet racism.

[Boo]

Originally Posted by discostu

To be honest (and I'm not expecting you to be), you'd surely understand the timeline of people like Fauci and Biden playing down the virus.

To be understanding of the basics of science (and I'm not expecting you to be), you'd surely know that science evolves as data comes in.

Fauci, Biden, and the vast majority of humans have learned that the virus is far more of a threat than it was perceived when it first hit China.

There is nothing wrong with making preliminary (errant) judgements based on incomplete or unknown data, there is however a problem when you do not adapt to current data.

Trump has never shifted. Never evolved. And those in his stratosphere have toed that Trump line. It's unfortunate that so many have tested positive in the White House, but it's not January or February...we shouldn't have been blindsided by this.

He said
"And taking her cue from the president, McEnany played down the threat of the coronavirus."

I said just like Dr. Knownothing and Biden, you agreed. Glad you could reinforce my comment.

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by Ray27Ray52

The bolded is totally made up and complete BS. Please be better than that. Unless you are comfortable accusing others of the things that are in your head.

Originally Posted by Boo

So now having kids is racist

Originally Posted by coachnip13

Legit laughed out loud at this. You people just can't help yourselves. You managed to bring pro-choice into this while now alluding to our closet racism.

Glad we all called this out at essentially the same time. So pathetic.

[Alvarez09]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

I would call that better than death.

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And then when they grow up in a poor household in a poor school district, can’t afford college, and end up in the same cycle we can then just keep the cycle of calling them lazy and irresponsible because they don’t get a job other than Walmart!

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

And then when they grow up in a poor household in a poor school district, can’t afford college, and end up in the same cycle we can then just keep the cycle of calling them lazy and irresponsible because they don’t get a job other than Walmart!

You're right. We should just kill them all.

Pffft. C'mon.

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[Alvarez09]

Originally Posted by Boo

At least you agree it's not rich people's fault for the bad decisions some poor people make. See personal responsibility is awesome.

Yep. Now will you concede the other point that if someone dies work a 40 hour a week job it should pay a living wage?

[Clark]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

Of course, none of this is surprising. If we expect people to take on the responsibility of raising their own kids, the push back is "I THOUGHT YOU WERE PRO-CHOICE?????"

The desperation is alarming.

I agree, that analogy is concerning.

Alvarez, I read your post a few pages back where you stated sarcastically that poor people shouldn't have kids.

While people have the right to have kids, a financially challenged, responsible person should not. Raising kids costs money. If you are already poor, you don't need help making it more difficult.

[Alvarez09]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

You're right. We should just kill them all.

Pffft. C'mon.

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Get out of here with your fake concern. If you were so concerned about them being born you’d also care what happens to them after that.