Shifting to only PSA cards?

[ChefCurry312]

As of recent, I don't think there's too much difference in the grading standards between PSA and BGS; however, I don't think that will change anything. I think the price gap will remain because PSA has become the more preferred slab amongst both hobbyist and investors.

[Justin7]

Actually recently, PSA is far tougher than BGS as proven and shown by the aforementioned percentages.

[k13]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

For those who think a BGS 9.5 is close to or equal to a PSA 10, how many BGS 9.5s are you buying to crack and send to PSA? If it’s as equatable as you say, you can literally make a living off cracking slabs. The price differential has grown that large.

Last PSA 10 Brady SPA sold for $43.6k in August. Last BGS 9.5 (a true gem) sold for $16.3k last weekend. That’s an easy $20k in your pocket.

Too many thing can go wrong.
Damage the card.
Comes back trimmed when its not.
Grades are too random so the risk is high.

I sent in bgs 9s that came back a 10 let alone a 9.5

[k13]

Originally Posted by mvp

I don't get why people assume that a card that gets a less than perfect score at one grading company should get a perfect score at another?

I mean, I do get it - they both call their BGS 9.5 and PSA 10 "Gem Mint."

So I guess the question is: What does Gem Mint mean to you? Flawless, or flaws within reason?

If you're crossing BGS 9.5's to PSA, you either believe PSA is giving 10's to less-than-perfect cards, or that 9.5 is perfect grade.

If Beckett thought a card was a 10, they'd give it a 10. I'd be pretty interested to hear anecdotal evidence on what the cross rate of BGS 10's to PSA 10's is like.

A PSA 10 is far from a perfect card.

[hquiz]

How come nobody has mentioned the notorious contact spots that look like moisture in PSA slabs. Ive noticed this phenomenon with prizm/shiny type cards! IMO these are due to PSA not using an inner sleeve like BGS does.

[MagicX23]

Originally Posted by hquiz

How come nobody has mentioned the notorious contact spots that look like moisture in PSA slabs. Ive noticed this phenomenon with prizm/shiny type cards! IMO these are due to PSA not using an inner sleeve like BGS does.

I think thats for old PSA slabs no sleeves. Not sure about the new ones. I personally avoided psa and went to bgs long time ago to actually preserve the grade of the card. I saw many psa 10s with jagged edges and won't even make it bgs 9

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[n1nesports]

Originally Posted by DajuanWagner

Grading is a scam...……..cesspool...……..

I like pools

[MagicX23]

Originally Posted by n1nesports

I like pools

Sad but true...... however....... I would take a BGS 9.5 or 10 over a raw card that looks mint or pristine..... just saying

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[spurs50fan]

Originally Posted by ChefCurry312

As of recent, I don't think there's too much difference in the grading standards between PSA and BGS; however, I don't think that will change anything. I think the price gap will remain because PSA has become the more preferred slab amongst both hobbyist and investors.

There’s no discernible difference in quality that justifies the current price gap. May be some bad blood that causes us to choose one over another. But if this hobby is swayed by anything, it’s money. And it’s usually a handful of high volume pushers that leave us with the blanket explanation of “well just look at the prices”

[hauntedcomputer]

I am just as happy with SGC for my PC. Of the same cards I have in the same grade, SGC is always in better condition than its PSA counterpart. For selling, then only PSA. But I only collect vintage, so I don't have to worry about the contrived differences between mint and gem mint.

[sickmantz]

Look at PSA vs BGS vs SGC as another layer of parallels when buying. Buy what you can afford. The gains will be mostly proportional.

If buying raw and grading, PSA clearly offers the best increase in value from raw, but they're also more expensive on anything over $500, so failure to gem is much more costly. Higher risk, higher reward.

[shindo03]

I don't know what all the talk about PSA having sleeves is? Unless there is some new psa case with sleeves since 2019 Prizm came out, I'm pretty sure there are no mylar sleeves inside psa cases unless requested or on certain over-sized cards.

BGS is harder on centering and surface
PSA is harder on corners and edges

I've sent thousands to PSA, thousands to BGS, there have been several times the same card (nothing else done to it) has come back a different grade (even higher). There have been many times I did not think I was going to get a BGS 9.5 let alone a BGS 10 and I have, there has been many times I swore a card was not going to PSA 10 and it 10'd.

Of course there have been times I thought a card was virtually flawless and I got a 9. I've gotten better over the years and I don't see as many 9's anymore because I just don't send those in, but this whole thing: "BGS is better, PSA is better" is kind of ridiculous.

Here are their grade using letter grades (A B C D E)

Ethics: BOTH D
Consistency: BOTH D
Website Utilities: PSA A and BGS D
Case (Sturdiness and Overall Protection): PSA C and BGS A
Grading Scale (Label and Structure): PSA B BGS C
ROI (Return on Grading the Card): PSA A BGS C

PSA wins, but BGS definitely does some things better. I remember a time when the rule of thumb was Relic + Auto or Auto goes to BGS and Autoless and Relicless go to PSA. On one side we have PSA multipliers for a PSA 10 going sky high on more accessible cards, but then let's not act as though BGS slabs taint the value on cards. On some cards I think it only matters if they are slabbed by BGS or PSA.

Now more than ever we have room for both, so I don't know why some of you are so set on settling which is better. Better is based upon what you're looking to do with the card.

[cowboyzqna]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Been a gap for awhile, but the past six months has seen that gap widen astronomically across the board. Lebron TC last night sells for $7.2k and $11.4 for a true gem and PSA 10, respectively. That’s an easy couple grand in your pocket of the quality is the same.

It isn't the same though and everyone knows that.



Like you said you could make a living sending in bgs true gems to crossover to psa 10s if that was the case... but you would get back a pile of 9s and most likely some 8s or 8.5s.


Give it ten years if you think the gap is bad now. PSA 9s will be outselling bgs superpristine red label 11s.

[thenashcollecto]

Should the pwcc controversy come up in this conversation?

[Thirsty Whale]

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[celtxman]

I own both PSA and BGS. The premium difference between BGS to PSA is absurd especially between BGS 9.5 and PSA 10. There is no real discernible difference in quality. Yet like people, like lemmings to the sea, either really believe the PSA card is better or they are pragmatic and just realize their cards are more valuable in a PSA holder as senseless as it is.
What can BGS do ? Even if they publicly get the word out that their grading will be really stringent what will happen will be a bogus "cleansing " of grading. So you send in a card that now would formerly have graded a half point higher that comes back with a lower grade. The customer now gets a double whammy of a lower grade with a grading company that is considered to be worse than PSA, right or wrong.

[KhalDrogo]

More people saying the difference is absurd, yet nobody willing to buy up 9.5 slabs to cross and make hundreds of thousands of dollars a year?

[Duvalier]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Well that goes back to my previous point that BGS sucks and you can’t even trust true gem + to be a PSA 10.

PSA is just as bad.

[DetroitFan14]

I personally love the BGS case. I love the subgrades (It’s annoying to get a psa 9 back and not always know why) and the card feels more protected, imo.

There’s no doubt which of the 2 currently sells better - but remember, it wasn’t always that way so it’s definitely something that is subject to change.


For now it remains: BGS for the PC, PSA (most of the time) for flips.

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

More people saying the difference is absurd, yet nobody willing to buy up 9.5 slabs to cross and make hundreds of thousands of dollars a year?

I think that speaks to the subjectivity of grading in general. If I had $10k laying around I would buy 10 BGS 9.5s (all with 9 centering, 2 9.5s, and 1 10), crack, and sub to PSA for the experiment of it. I'd assume maybe 3-4 PSA 10s (maybe more if it's not a card they a pop-controlling), 1 PSA 8.5, and the rest 9s. Would that still make me money? With how crazy PSA 10s are right now I think it might.

[celtxman]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

More people saying the difference is absurd, yet nobody willing to buy up 9.5 slabs to cross and make hundreds of thousands of dollars a year?

That's the absurdity of it. If I want to sell me house and the realtor says I'll get $10,000 more if I paint the front door red, I'm on my way to Home Depot.
As I already said I own both BGS and PSA. The financial difference is laughable in terms of quality of each card at the same grade. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know if someone offers me a BGS 9.5 or PSA 10, for free, I'm taking the PSA 100 times out of 100. It doesnt matter which card is actually better. That's what has gotten absurd

[sickmantz]

Originally Posted by cowboyzqna

It isn't the same though and everyone knows that.



Like you said you could make a living sending in bgs true gems to crossover to psa 10s if that was the case... but you would get back a pile of 9s and most likely some 8s or 8.5s.


Give it ten years if you think the gap is bad now. PSA 9s will be outselling bgs superpristine red label 11s.

Please provide the data you've collected on this. Cuz it sounds like nonsensical bias BS.

[sickmantz]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

More people saying the difference is absurd, yet nobody willing to buy up 9.5 slabs to cross and make hundreds of thousands of dollars a year?

This isn't as easy as you make it sound.

You'd have to crack the slabs and submit raw or PSA would grade with a bias. You also risk damaging the cards.

In order to make the amount of money you're talking about, you'd have to submit high value cards and PSA charges a lot more money for grading anything over $500, which makes the risk of failure substantial.

If you're submitting lower value cards, you'd have to submit on volume. That seems like a full-time job, which makes it a risk in itself.

If we assume the grading companies are about equal and equally inconsistent, I would assume a 50% success rate.

Can you make money under those conditions?

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by iHustleHard

PSA is under heavy investigation for rigging grades. Someone posted a link to someone suing them for this as well.

Also, BGS grading is much more harder, I've seen wayyyy less BGS Prestine 10 than PSA 10

BGS also gives you details on why a card graded what it did.

BGS all the way for me.

hustle harder

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by DajuanWagner

Grading is a scam...……..cesspool...……..