MMA Discussion Thread- Fight Night/UFC/PPV

[ensbergcollecto]

Originally Posted by CC_123

I disagree. I think the UFC protected O'Malley until the Vera fight. I am a fan of O'Malley. I think he is incredibly talented, but when you fight Eddie Wineland as your first "real" opponent, who lost two of his last three fights and the win came against a bum prior to the O'Malley fight, that is protecting him, in my opinion. Chito was a real fight and we saw what happened. Even without the O'Malley injury (that didn't seem so serious in videos 2-3 days after the fight) I think Chito would have won the fight just based on how it was going.

Chimaev will run buckshot through Dos Anjos too. Dos Anjos doesn't have it anymore. He is 1-4 in his last 5 fights. I'd rather see Chimaev actually face someone that is a challenge instead of seeing another 3 minute beatdown. Lets see what he is capable of in the 3rd round of a fight. Challenge him, in my opinion.

Obviously, we have differing opinions on it, but the Middleweight division isn't necessarily strong outside of Adesayna, Whittaker, Cannonier, and Costa. And Chimaev might be able to take down both Whittaker and Cannonier. Time will tell obviously if he is the real deal or a fluke, but he looks legit so far.

I am curious about your take on the O'Malley chito fight. Up until the moment that O'Malley hurt himself, what had chito done to give you such confidence? It looked like chito had nothing going at all.
I may also be biased because after the fight chito talked like he had done something. The fight ended because of a freak injury. Most fighters would have just humbly said "I hate it ended that way." But he went the "i ended the hype and showed everyone how greal I am" path which has rubbed me wrong.
(Ps. Not an O'Malley fan so my thought aren't biased towards him).

[Noles939913]

Originally Posted by ensbergcollecto

I am curious about your take on the O'Malley chito fight. Up until the moment that O'Malley hurt himself, what had chito done to give you such confidence? It looked like chito had nothing going at all.
I may also be biased because after the fight chito talked like he had done something. The fight ended because of a freak injury. Most fighters would have just humbly said "I hate it ended that way." But he went the "i ended the hype and showed everyone how greal I am" path which has rubbed me wrong.
(Ps. Not an O'Malley fan so my thought aren't biased towards him).

I agree with you here. I remember it being pretty even before the injury and neither fighter had done anything of real note.

[CC_123]

Originally Posted by ensbergcollecto

I am curious about your take on the O'Malley chito fight. Up until the moment that O'Malley hurt himself, what had chito done to give you such confidence? It looked like chito had nothing going at all.
I may also be biased because after the fight chito talked like he had done something. The fight ended because of a freak injury. Most fighters would have just humbly said "I hate it ended that way." But he went the "i ended the hype and showed everyone how greal I am" path which has rubbed me wrong.
(Ps. Not an O'Malley fan so my thought aren't biased towards him).

The fight was even to the point of the freak injury, but to me it just had a feel that Chito was more in control up until the point of the freak injury. I know O'Malley likes to sit back and wait for his opportunity and he does that very well, but to me it just felt different from his other fights. I would 100% love to see them run it back because it had to makings of being a close, 29-28 type fight if it went the distance.

As for how they handled it after the fight, I think Chito and O'Malley both handled it poorly considering the circumstances. Also, seeing a video of O'Malley dancing 2-3 days after the injury was a bit alarming about the severity of the injury.

Either way, I hope they do run it back. It has more juice to it now than it did prior, so I think a lot of people would love to tune into it.

[ensbergcollecto]

Originally Posted by CC_123

The fight was even to the point of the freak injury, but to me it just had a feel that Chito was more in control up until the point of the freak injury. I know O'Malley likes to sit back and wait for his opportunity and he does that very well, but to me it just felt different from his other fights. I would 100% love to see them run it back because it had to makings of being a close, 29-28 type fight if it went the distance.

As for how they handled it after the fight, I think Chito and O'Malley both handled it poorly considering the circumstances. Also, seeing a video of O'Malley dancing 2-3 days after the injury was a bit alarming about the severity of the injury.

Either way, I hope they do run it back. It has more juice to it now than it did prior, so I think a lot of people would love to tune into it.

I definitely think they run it back at this point. I didn't see the o'malley video. Just didn't like the way chito was talking. I have seen fighters who caused a cut lament that a cut stopped the fight. He didn't even cause the injury and he was talking all kinds of mess.
(admittedly, I like my fighters to handle themselves with class. I know plenty of people like his take on things)

[CC_123]

Fun fight between Jourdain and Culibao. I'm unsure how one judge had it 30-27 Jourdain though. 29-28 is fine, but Jourdain didn't win that first round.

[ensbergcollecto]

Originally Posted by CC_123

Fun fight between Jourdain and Culibao. I'm unsure how one judge had it 30-27 Jourdain though. 29-28 is fine, but Jourdain didn't win that first round.

yeah, you even saw it on his face when 30-27 was called out he was upset because he assumed it wasn't for him.

[BestRCs]

Originally Posted by ensbergcollecto

I am curious about your take on the O'Malley chito fight. Up until the moment that O'Malley hurt himself, what had chito done to give you such confidence? It looked like chito had nothing going at all.
I may also be biased because after the fight chito talked like he had done something. The fight ended because of a freak injury. Most fighters would have just humbly said "I hate it ended that way." But he went the "i ended the hype and showed everyone how greal I am" path which has rubbed me wrong.
(Ps. Not an O'Malley fan so my thought aren't biased towards him).

I think some are in the camp that Chito perhaps caused the injury with his kicks.

I saw some of the break down of the correlation of the kicks to the injury and it's possible.... Myself. Idk but I think they need to run that back.

[Noles939913]

Chimaev shook of Neil Magny and instead insists on calling out Lightweights LMAO.

[BestRCs]

That Nate Diaz call out was weak and dumb. Number 1, he's a LW dabbling at WW. #2. There's nOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO way Nate takes that fight. Nates trying to make money not take on prospects much less a wrestling heavy dude. Nate doesn't want to wrestle.

He just looks silly. Not only that, no one who's top ranked/a big money fight guy wants to fight a unranked guy.

I get passing on Oliveira but he should be jumping at the chance to fight magny. He's the gate keeper to the top 10 fights. You beat him you HAVE to fight top 10 dudes after that.

This guy is tryin to get one of the biggest $$ fights and/or highest ranked figthers and I get it, "shoot for the stars baby" but in reality those guys dont want to fight unranked fighters, it does nothing for them....

he's really not seeing the big picture here/drinking too much of his own kool aid. he needs to calm down, "smesh" magny and he'd be on his way to what he wants. smh..

anyways with that said looks like Till is down to fight him after the Jack fight which would be what he needs to wait for (since he's the only top ranked guy willing to fight him) if he's not willing to work his way up in a realistic fashion.

[Noles939913]

Originally Posted by BestRCs

That Nate Diaz call out was weak and dumb. Number 1, he's a LW dabbling at WW. #2. There's nOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO way Nate takes that fight. Nates trying to make money not take on prospects much less a wrestling heavy dude. Nate doesn't want to wrestle.

He just looks silly. Not only that, no one who's top ranked/a big money fight guy wants to fight a unranked guy.

I get passing on Oliveira but he should be jumping at the chance to fight magny. He's the gate keeper to the top 10 fights. You beat him you HAVE to fight top 10 dudes after that.

This guy is tryin to get one of the biggest $$ fights and/or highest ranked figthers and I get it, "shoot for the stars baby" but in reality those guys dont want to fight unranked fighters, it does nothing for them....

he's really not seeing the big picture here/drinking too much of his own kool aid. he needs to calm down, "smesh" magny and he'd be on his way to what he wants. smh..

anyways with that said looks like Till is down to fight him after the Jack fight which would be what he needs to wait for (since he's the only top ranked guy willing to fight him) if he's not willing to work his way up in a realistic fashion.

Agreed. Not saying he’d win but I think Magny would give him a tough fight. Therein lies the problem for Chimaev. He’s either going to lose or if he wins he’s most likely not going to look great doing it against a guy like Magny which would either kill or soften his hype as Magny isn’t a star and really isn’t know to casual fans.

[Noles939913]

So this Chimaev dude is quickly becoming super annoying. So now hes saying Darren Till isn’t on his level and he’d easily choke out Demian Maia!?! LMAO!!! I’m starting to agree with that other guy; just give him an immediate title shot so Adesanya can murder him and no one has to hear from him again.

[BestRCs]

Wow, now that Leon got taken out of the rankings Leon is calling out Khamzat.

Sounds like they pretty much booked the fight themselves.

Can't say I'm not excited.

What a week. And UFC 254 tomorrow.

[CC_123]

Khabib looked extremely relieved that he made 155. Seems like he struggled to make the cut. Honestly, I wouldn't mind seeing him go to 170. It'd be an friendlier cut for him, although that is unlikely to happen since he is so dominant at 155.

[BestRCs]

Yeah, its rare that his cuts look good for sure.


I wouldn't mind either, I feel like he's too small for 170 but who knows supposedly he's throwing around LHWs at AKA. I think that would be the next thing to look at for him if he doesn't retire and ends up cleaning out 155.

I mean you got Gaethje, and after that not much. You got the Ferg fight (which I'm not as excited about as others) then I guess the fight everyone wants to put together in the McGregor fight (another fight I'm not as excited about as others too) but that's really it.

[majestik101]

Khabib "The Eagle" Nurmagomedev just dropped the gloves in the center of the Octogon.

29-0

Great ending to a great career.

[brothertona]

Originally Posted by majestik101

Khabib "The Eagle" Nurmagomedev just dropped the gloves in the center of the Octogon.

29-0

Great ending to a great career.

He's right, he's beaten everyone. He has no more real competitors. It sucks that he's quitting but I'm glad he's leaving on his terms.


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[CC_123]

Khabib retiring was a minor surprise, but I kind of had a feeling he was going to. I honestly think he could have continued his tear for 3-4 more years, but thats okay. Fresh champions always keeps things fun.

[Mahomie]

"Just send location"

What an absolute legend. Sad to see him retire, but he knows what he's doing. His legacy is clean, and he escaped major damage throughout his career.

He's also a pretty funny/engaging guy. I would not be surprised to see him in Hollywood soon!

[Noles939913]

Originally Posted by Mahomie

"Just send location"

What an absolute legend. Sad to see him retire, but he knows what he's doing. His legacy is clean, and he escaped major damage throughout his career.

He's also a pretty funny/engaging guy. I would not be surprised to see him in Hollywood soon!

I wouldn’t say it’s entirely clean. He undoubtedly lost to Gleison Tibau and was given a gift by the judges. I’m also sad we never got to see the Ferguson fight.

[Torralbae1]

Great performance. Had assumed there would be at least 1 more fight but understand his reasoning. Kind of reminiscent of when Barry Sanders retired. Dominant athlete walking away healthy with plenty of prime years left. Wished we could of seen GSP or Tony.

On a side note, I believe Dana confirmed Leon Edwards v. Khmazat Chimaev for Dec 19.
This will go along way in seeing how real the hype is. The winner will be in prime position for PPV headliner vs. Masvidal or Covington if not a title shot.

[Mahomie]

Originally Posted by Noles939913

He undoubtedly lost to Gleison Tibau and was given a gift by the judges.

It was a close fight, could've gone either way. Gleison was definitely juiced, though.

[Noles939913]

Originally Posted by Mahomie

It was a close fight, could've gone either way. Gleison was definitely juiced, though.

He tested positive in late 2015 I believe. Sorry going 0-22 in takedowns as your only form of offense doesn’t mean it was close.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.sherd...ates-44001/amp

[Mahomie]

Originally Posted by Noles939913

He tested positive in late 2015 I believe. Sorry going 0-22 in takedowns as your only form of offense doesn’t mean it was close.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.sherd...ates-44001/amp

Gleison's failed a couple tests in the past, including an in-competition one at fight night 77. He's been using his whole career.

He never had Khabib in danger, never hurt him, and didn't do enough offensively to warrant a victory imo. He displayed amazing defense, though. Like I said, close fight, could've gone either way (or a draw). Both fighters were fairly unscathed at the end.

Khabib has the W in the record books, and that's all that really matters.

[Noles939913]

Originally Posted by Mahomie

Gleison's failed a couple tests in the past, including an in-competition one at fight night 77. He's been using his whole career.

He never had Khabib in danger, never hurt him, and didn't do enough offensively to warrant a victory imo. He displayed amazing defense, though. Like I said, close fight, could've gone either way (or a draw). Both fighters were fairly unscathed at the end.

Khabib has the W in the record books, and that's all that really matters.

It’s funny you say Tibau didn’t do enough offensively to warrant a victory yet he landed the better strikes and the only takedowns of the fight. All Nurmagomedov did was randomly fall over at times which was weird and get stuffed on takedown attempts to the tune of 0-22. Doesn’t really matter though Nurmagomedov proved himself to be one of the greats despite this terrible performance. Maybe it was karma for his roid use but Tibau got screwed over numerous times in decisions that went against him. I remember the one against Melvin Guillard was pretty bad too.

[Mahomie]

Originally Posted by Noles939913

It’s funny you say Tibau didn’t do enough offensively to warrant a victory yet he landed the better strikes and the only takedowns of the fight. All Nurmagomedov did was randomly fall over at times which was weird and get stuffed on takedown attempts to the tune of 0-22. Doesn’t really matter though Nurmagomedov proved himself to be one of the greats despite this terrible performance. Maybe it was karma for his roid use but Tibau got screwed over numerous times in decisions that went against him. I remember the one against Melvin Guillard was pretty bad too.

With about 41 sec left in the fight, Khabib landed a solid overhand right that caused Tibau to stumble back a bit. It wasn't a huge blow, but in a close fight nearing the end like that, it was enough to sway the judges.

I'll say this - if that fight (a win against a known juicer) is the only "blemish" his career has, his legacy is Clean with a capital C.