Ansu Fati Rookie

[reddragonthe]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Topps can put him in 2020 products and call them RCs, but they won’t be.

^^^

This.

Fati in 2020-21 may still have some deference as "first chrome" if that becomes a thing like some of the Prizm did but even in those instances, they still haven't been traditionally priced like a RC. I think Fati will come out big either way... but it's much bigger if it is 19-20, IMO.

Pulisic is a good example of the same situation. Was in the first edition of champions chrome in 17-18 but had widely available cards before that (notably in select).

[WHyFLy]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Topps can put him in 2020 products and call them RCs, but they won’t be.

Nah, I don't believe they will put RC on his 2020-21 cards, but I agree his Chrome will still demand especially the Autos. I will be chasing his autos for sure when released; however, I do not believe we will see any Fati by topps in 2019-20.

[WHyFLy]

Originally Posted by netmasters

I think Topps would shoot themselves in the foot if they put him in 2019/2020 instead of 2020/2021. Of course that could just be thinking about right now and get the money while they can as they have done pretty much every time before. If they save him they can roll out his traditional release “Topps Rookie” across all the Champions League brands. Chrome, Finest, Museum. If they put him in 2019 Chrome they missed on Finest and Museum. Saving him also gives more value to the Topps Now they released so people will become more aware of that if there is no other. They seem to want to push Topps Now so why devalue one of your potentially most value Topps Now cards. I also think if he was coming in Chrome he would’ve been in this Museum. I’ve been wrong before and I’ll be wrong again though so who knows.

I think because of the quick preview release of 2020-21 and the fact that the original release of this product was early 2019 and Fati at the time was not a very widely known figure, he won't be in 2019-20. It would be smart to emphasize his 1st "chrome" and 1st "auto in 2020-21 Chrome to really sell the product heavy.

[Poncho74]

Originally Posted by WHyFLy

I think because of the quick preview release of 2020-21 and the fact that the original release of this product was early 2019 and Fati at the time was not a very widely known figure, he won't be in 2019-20. It would be smart to emphasize his 1st "chrome" and 1st "auto in 2020-21 Chrome to really sell the product heavy.

Has the 2019-20 Chrome checklist come out yet?
Fati played 5 games and scored a goal for Barcelona in 2019 Champions League. I would think he would be in 2019-20 Chrome, considering those are Double the price of the 2020-21 prices.

[WHyFLy]

Originally Posted by Poncho74

Has the 2019-20 Chrome checklist come out yet?
Fati played 5 games and scored a goal for Barcelona in 2019 Champions League. I would think he would be in 2019-20 Chrome, considering those are Double the price of the 2020-21 prices.

No they have not, this is all speculation. Yes he may have played 5 games, but he did not start. Most of his games were substituted and he had the 1 goal. The original release additionally was supposedly February of 2019, well before his demand went up.

With the release of Museum UCL and Finest UCL not showcasing Fati either, it makes it hard to believe they would put him in this late with 2020-21 scheduled to be released only a few months later. Why put him in now when they can use him as a way to market 2020-21?

[Poncho74]

Originally Posted by WHyFLy

No they have not, this is all speculation. Yes he may have played 5 games, but he did not start. Most of his games were substituted and he had the 1 goal. The original release additionally was supposedly February of 2019, well before his demand went up.

With the release of Museum UCL and Finest UCL not showcasing Fati either, it makes it hard to believe they would put him in this late with 2020-21 scheduled to be released only a few months later. Why put him in now when they can use him as a way to market 2020-21?

I don't know. I preordered my haul back in February when they were priced at normal collectors prices.
I just think that I'm sure Topps watches Panini & vice versa and since Panini flooded the 2019-20 market with Fati they would use their "Prizm" type product in "Chrome" which is their King product and put out the Blue Chipper Fati in their 2019 Chrome. It is just obvious good business, especially for people who have been waiting nearly a year for this release.

[WHyFLy]

Originally Posted by Poncho74

I don't know. I preordered my haul back in February when they were priced at normal collectors prices.
I just think that I'm sure Topps watches Panini & vice versa and since Panini flooded the 2019-20 market with Fati they would use their "Prizm" type product in "Chrome" which is their King product and put out the Blue Chipper Fati in their 2019 Chrome. It is just obvious good business, especially for people who have been waiting nearly a year for this release.

Panini didn't flood Fati... They only released in him 3 products and 1 was a subset card. His rookies compared to the likes of others was way cut. You had 1 mainstream rookie in Obsidian and Chronicles he only featured in 2 of the subsets. That is why you don't really see anything but the Megacracks available mostly. Sure to the collector it would be great, but with the releases Topps have had and the opportunity for Fati to show up, it's not likely we see him until 2020-21. Remember, Haaland is still the poster boy for this year. Why add more to a product already sold out when you spread it out just like they do in Baseball with rookies to sell other products.

[Poncho74]

Originally Posted by WHyFLy

Panini didn't flood Fati... They only released in him 3 products and 1 was a subset card. His rookies compared to the likes of others was way cut. You had 1 mainstream rookie in Obsidian and Chronicles he only featured in 2 of the subsets. That is why you don't really see anything but the Megacracks available mostly. Sure to the collector it would be great, but with the releases Topps have had and the opportunity for Fati to show up, it's not likely we see him until 2020-21. Remember, Haaland is still the poster boy for this year. Why add more to a product already sold out when you spread it out just like they do in Baseball with rookies to sell other products.

Flooded was the wrong word, but they still released more than Topps and if I was in marketing I would ask why would we not release the hot phenom on one of the most recognizable teams in world soccer the same year as our competition. You would need to be fired immediately if you think people would think that his 2nd year card would be enough to justify the $700 a box prices for 2019 Chrome. As far as Halland his Budesliga Chrome is still technically a Chrome Rookie and his Topps Now/178 is his True Rookie in his Red Bulls uniform.
Looking at the 2019 Champions League Groups there are some great Other rookies that should be included also tbh.

[WHyFLy]

Originally Posted by Poncho74

Flooded was the wrong word, but they still released more than Topps and if I was in marketing I would ask why would we not release the hot phenom on one of the most recognizable teams in world soccer the same year as our competition. You would need to be fired immediately if you think people would think that his 2nd year card would be enough to justify the $700 a box prices for 2019 Chrome. As far as Halland his Budesliga Chrome is still technically a Chrome Rookie and his Topps Now/178 is his True Rookie in his Red Bulls uniform.
Looking at the 2019 Champions League Groups there are some great Other rookies that should be included also tbh.

The answer to your marketing question is this: Why promote a player in a product that was not on the sale sheet who would be a big name when pre-sales have already exceeded Maximum amount and is sold out? The whole point of marketing is to sell the product, the product is already sold before Fati was a point of contact. Adding him in would not benefit Topps, it benefits the 2nd and 3rd markets on sales.

Absolutely, people care about 2nd year cards, especially if that card is your "1st" market. In Prizm, look at Pulisic... His Chelsea Prizm card sells VERY well. If you want to go the Haaland route, his "1st Chrome" sells incredible well... The "1st" market is a real thing and will sell. People seeing Fati with autos and base in 2020-21 will buy the product hands down.

[netmasters]

The Fati hype train will not be gaining any more steam today as he is not starting. The game will lose some luster with Renaldo not playing as well.

[CardWizard]

So with everyone saying he'll likely be in the 2020/21 chrome, those boxes at $300 would be a pretty good buy(preorder) right now?

[WHyFLy]

Originally Posted by CardWizard

So with everyone saying he'll likely be in the 2020/21 chrome, those boxes at $300 would be a pretty good buy(preorder) right now?

Yes it will be

[mangia1976]

Thinking of making my first ever purchase with a Fati RC, especially with the promise of being the phenom everyone expects him to be!. Looks like Obsidian, Contenders and Megacracks seem to be in the top 3 most desirable (non sticker).

The MGK price range seems pretty broad, is that because of the condition sensitivity?(chipped edges and corners seem to be an issue..?)

Would I be purchasing at the absolute height of the market right now, even though it's early in the season? Guess the alternative is to wait for the off-season, but risk a huge run up between now and then?

Thanks for everyone's opinions!

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[KhalDrogo]

I would just spend the $1k to get a PSA 9 MGK.

[mangia1976]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

I would just spend the $1k to get a PSA 9 MGK.

Yikes ok, duly noted, I'll keep an eye on them. Any recommendations < $500, raw or graded?

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[Dr kicker]

Originally Posted by netmasters

The Fati hype train will not be gaining any more steam today as he is not starting. The game will lose some luster with Renaldo not playing as well.

I dont think so , Georges Laraque is telling to everybody on sports radio here to buy them for 15-20 on Euro forums , send to grading , sell for 800$. Easy money.

[YayNJ]

Originally Posted by mangia1976

Yikes ok, duly noted, I'll keep an eye on them. Any recommendations < $500, raw or graded?

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There's an Obsidian /65 currently ending soon on that there ebay, it's currently $300.

[mangia1976]

Originally Posted by YayNJ

There's an Obsidian /65 currently ending soon on that there ebay, it's currently $300.

Nice- thx for the heads up!!

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[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by YayNJ

There's an Obsidian /65 currently ending soon on that there ebay, it's currently $300.

A raw just got $500 BIN I think yesterday.

Under $500 I would say a PSA 9 sticker or PSA 8 MGK.

[netmasters]

Originally Posted by Dr kicker

I dont think so , Georges Laraque is telling to everybody on sports radio here to buy them for 15-20 on Euro forums , send to grading , sell for 800$. Easy money.

If one was looking for said forum where would the look 😂

[WHyFLy]

Originally Posted by mangia1976

Thinking of making my first ever purchase with a Fati RC, especially with the promise of being the phenom everyone expects him to be!. Looks like Obsidian, Contenders and Megacracks seem to be in the top 3 most desirable (non sticker).

The MGK price range seems pretty broad, is that because of the condition sensitivity?(chipped edges and corners seem to be an issue..?)

Would I be purchasing at the absolute height of the market right now, even though it's early in the season? Guess the alternative is to wait for the off-season, but risk a huge run up between now and then?

Thanks for everyone's opinions!

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Here's my two senses on your comment:

1) If you are worried about condition, just fork up the money and buy graded. Trying to play the make profit off of grading especially on MGK won't happen. The card alone is incredibly difficult with surface being the worst aspect. So unless you are looking at the card in person, you won't likely know what you are getting unless you want to take a gamble.

2) Yes, you are correct on what is the current "top 3" of Fati. Until we know what Topps Chrome will hold, the top 3 is MGK, Contenders, and Obsidian. Which of the 3 will I believe hold true to its price? MGK and Contenders. Why? Because both have the historical context in sports with MGK dating back as the "truest" rookie with Messi and Ronaldo and Contenders holding incredibly popularity in other sports in the hobby.

3) Yes, he is at a high now, but there is not offseason really in soccer. People will continually play especially with Euros. Fati's club season will not end until May and then immediately he will be entering the Euros in June and back to preseason warmups in July/August. If you want to play the waiting game, then you can gamble and pray he does end up having a Chrome rookie because if he does not, these rookies will become double the price we are seeing due to limited production.

Want my opinion, go buy right now. I do not believe you will lose at all, but trying to buy in a month time or so, you will either be really happy or really sad.

[jjeanius]

Originally Posted by WHyFLy

Here's my two senses on your comment:

1) If you are worried about condition, just fork up the money and buy graded. Trying to play the make profit off of grading especially on MGK won't happen. The card alone is incredibly difficult with surface being the worst aspect. So unless you are looking at the card in person, you won't likely know what you are getting unless you want to take a gamble.

2) Yes, you are correct on what is the current "top 3" of Fati. Until we know what Topps Chrome will hold, the top 3 is MGK, Contenders, and Obsidian. Which of the 3 will I believe hold true to its price? MGK and Contenders. Why? Because both have the historical context in sports with MGK dating back as the "truest" rookie with Messi and Ronaldo and Contenders holding incredibly popularity in other sports in the hobby.

3) Yes, he is at a high now, but there is not offseason really in soccer. People will continually play especially with Euros. Fati's club season will not end until May and then immediately he will be entering the Euros in June and back to preseason warmups in July/August. If you want to play the waiting game, then you can gamble and pray he does end up having a Chrome rookie because if he does not, these rookies will become double the price we are seeing due to limited production.

Want my opinion, go buy right now. I do not believe you will lose at all, but trying to buy in a month time or so, you will either be really happy or really sad.

Which two (three?) senses are you using? Just curious.

[kent1976]

I like the design of Contenders Ticket. Especially the Red T-Mall version, from the pop report stat, it seems that very rare. For now, only 14 graded, and from the Tmall information on the sale day, only about 2200 boxes for sale, and according to 12 players in La Liga ticket checklist, so maybe only less than 200 Red Fati ticket is produced.

[twist1one]

the megacracks is always the card people want over the years, that and the sticker you cant go wrong with. the contenders and obsidian look good but thats not the high demand stuff. they may sell just because people cant get the other 2. pop report has jumped on the stickers to 115 psa 10s. the megacracks has a pop of 15 with 4 psa 10s coming out over the last 10 days. BGs 9.5s have around 20 or so as of last week. i have collected individual serial numbers of them. on the 16th 9 bgs 9.5s were graded and 1 nine.

[twist1one]

heres a 9.5 i bought a few weeks back with a 10 centering.