2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP - Page 2342

discostu · 11-05-2020, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Boo

I hope Biden wins PA, NV and AZ. If not it will be a S show for the next 4 years regardless of who is the ultimate winner. The losing side will never accept it as legitimate (which is probably where we are anyway even if Biden wins all the states left).

Trump or Biden, we need something like this.

The tight, polarized race is terrible for the country and it doesn't bode well for the future.

swerve · 11-05-2020, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by yanksfan1

We won't know this until January 5th! 2 senate runoffs in GA will determine senate control, though the GOP would be highly favored to win them

True but Wall St. seems to feel pretty confident they will be split.

discostu · 11-05-2020, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Jgil316

Once Trump leaves the party (now or in 4 years) the Republican party really doesn't know what direction to go.
They had a record turnout for Trump now and he may still loose - the Trump experiment may well be over.
Now, before people jump on me for saying that, remember - we are still in the "Trump" era and once we start to distance ourselves from it - things will turn around.

Further, IF (I say IF) Biden wins - anyone who hitched their ride to Trump may be in trouble down the road.

I disagree. I think the GOP knows that they are divided and the party will splinter similar to the DEM.

To me, this is great.

We should have moderate democrats and moderate republicans as the majorities, and then have smaller, outside factions of far left and far right.

4 parties? Sign me up.

Jgil316 · 11-05-2020, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by yanksfan1

The 2 GA senate runoffs will determine control of the senate and because of that, the odds of a stimulus package before then will increase because

1. McConnell will want Perdue and Loeffler to show they voted for it
2. If they don't people will think the only way to get a stimulus is for Dems to control the senate

Crazy isn't it?

They may both be in trouble in these run offs - bare with me on this.

Loeffler hooked onto Trump and that was her campaign message. IF Trump loses GA (regardless of the Collins vote totals) she may be in big trouble.
If Purdue also goes to a run off - it was fairly close this time and he could also be in trouble with almost 2 months of Democrat campaigns.

coachnip13 · 11-05-2020, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by discostu

4 parties? Sign me up.

Screw it, let's go with 8 and have a double elimination tournament to get down to the winner.

jewcer2k5 · 11-05-2020, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BGT Masters

Why would you care if people observe the ballot count? Dems just appealed decision by the courts to allow them being observed. So count in PA has been halted for a decision on the appeal.

Its about being within 6 feet I believe (based on what Fox News is saying). If you watch other channels they have the SOS saying that if you wanted to watch at home you could.

CC_123 · 11-05-2020, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by coachnip13

Screw it, let's go with 8 and have a double elimination tournament to get down to the winner.

We don't always see eye to eye, but this is the most brilliant thing I have seen you say on these forums!

BALxORIOLESx · 11-05-2020, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by CC_123

Pennsylvania now down to 116k

Don't forget that Cumberland County, Butler County, and York County are all at about 75% counted... and they are favoring about 65% for Repub. Candidate... these areas are all over 120k voters, as well.

Jgil316 · 11-05-2020, 12:10 PM

Nevada up to a 12,000 vote lead for Biden.

jcardstore · 11-05-2020, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by discostu

I disagree. I think the GOP knows that they are divided and the party will splinter similar to the DEM.

To me, this is great.

We should have moderate democrats and moderate republicans as the majorities, and then have smaller, outside factions of far left and far right.

4 parties? Sign me up.

There would be no point to have fringe parties because they'd never win. I mean there are a ton of other parties now and none of them ever get a real # of votes. Plus The establishment would never let it happen anyways

NeedChapmans · 11-05-2020, 12:12 PM

Nevada vote is IN people.

Biden widened his margin by 4,000 votes. Was only 14,000 worth of votes but the margin was pretty wide. 9,000 to 5,000.

CALLING NEVADA FOR BIDEN.

Aren't enough votes out there for Trump to make up ground if these are the kinds of votes left in Clark. (Which they are).

Trump needs the last three.

BoxBreaker72 · 11-05-2020, 12:13 PM

You will never convince me that there wasn't massive fraud. Sorry.

Biden getting 5 million more votes than Obama in 08 is basically impossible. Especially with Trump gaining a bit in Hispanic/Black votes.

CC_123 · 11-05-2020, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BALxORIOLESx

Don't forget that Cumberland County, Butler County, and York County are all at about 75% counted... and they are favoring about 65% for Repub. Candidate... these areas are all over 120k voters, as well.

But Mail-In for Pennsylvania has been favoring Biden by a large sum. There are a lot of predictions that Biden will win PA by 100-200k votes by people who are much more knowledgable than I am.

jewcer2k5 · 11-05-2020, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by discostu

I disagree. I think the GOP knows that they are divided and the party will splinter similar to the DEM.

To me, this is great.

We should have moderate democrats and moderate republicans as the majorities, and then have smaller, outside factions of far left and far right.

4 parties? Sign me up.

We have way more than 4 parties, the other ones just don't matter enough. In order to win a general you need to encompass a lot more than just your ideals which is why the left has moved left and the right has moved right. Ideally someone comes and is like "ill be the middle 80%" but we haven't seen it yet.

CC_123 · 11-05-2020, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BoxBreaker72

You will never convince me that there wasn't massive fraud. Sorry.

Biden getting 5 million more votes than Obama in 08 is basically impossible. Especially with Trump gaining a bit in Hispanic/Black votes.

Higher voter turnout this election.

jcardstore · 11-05-2020, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BoxBreaker72

You will never convince me that there wasn't massive fraud. Sorry.

Biden getting 5 million more votes than Obama in 08 is basically impossible. Especially with Trump gaining a bit in Hispanic/Black votes.

Or it just means that the major sporting leagues and celebrity endorsements was successful in getting more people to vote?

JustRachel · 11-05-2020, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by coltsnsox07

I live in Wisconsin and both sides liked Paul Ryan...

I like Paul Ryan as well. But he is not the Top-of-the-Ticket guy. He doesn't have the charisma.

The pubs need someone that takes them away from the respectable white guy look. A conservative that seems actually like a cool guy (or girl) is the way. Make conservatism cool again. Dust it off, get it a fresh haircut and some new digs, and unleash it upon this nation in a way that doesn't seem antiquated or outdated.

Paul Ryan just isn't that guy.

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CJsHockeyCards · 11-05-2020, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by jcardstore

Or it just means that the major sporting leagues and celebrity endorsements was successful in getting more people to vote?

Yep. Higher voter turnout and just the fact that a lot of people voted against Trump not for Biden.

JustRachel · 11-05-2020, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Jgil316

Once Trump leaves the party (now or in 4 years) the Republican party really doesn't know what direction to go.

They had a record turnout for Trump now and he may still loose - the Trump experiment may well be over.

Now, before people jump on me for saying that, remember - we are still in the "Trump" era and once we start to distance ourselves from it - things will turn around.

Further, IF (I say IF) Biden wins - anyone who hitched their ride to Trump may be in trouble down the road.

Trump actually has that "it factor" pubs need. He does not, however, portray conservatism. And he turns off as many people as he turns on.

It was an interesting experiment.

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GOWIFB · 11-05-2020, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BoxBreaker72

You will never convince me that there wasn't massive fraud. Sorry.

Biden getting 5 million more votes than Obama in 08 is basically impossible. Especially with Trump gaining a bit in Hispanic/Black votes.

So let me make sure I have this correct:

Massive voter turnout for Trump = legitimate

Massive voter turnout for Biden = massive fraud

Is that about right?

NeedChapmans · 11-05-2020, 12:17 PM

Just under 95% of the vote counted in PA; Trump still up 117,000 votes. Dems confident when all the votes are counted, they'll be ahead.

So are republicans. LOL.

rcmb3220 · 11-05-2020, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BoxBreaker72

You will never convince me that there wasn't massive fraud. Sorry.

Biden getting 5 million more votes than Obama in 08 is basically impossible. Especially with Trump gaining a bit in Hispanic/Black votes.

Well this is the place for these kinds of opinions

BGT Masters · 11-05-2020, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

Its about being within 6 feet I believe (based on what Fox News is saying). If you watch other channels they have the SOS saying that if you wanted to watch at home you could.

So they want them farther away than 6 feet? What the point of observing ballot counting if you can't see what's actually being counted. Not a good look. Either party should have a right to view the ballot counting process at a responsible distance without needing a telescope to see whats going on.

discostu · 11-05-2020, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jcardstore

There would be no point to have fringe parties because they'd never win. I mean there are a ton of other parties now and none of them ever get a real # of votes. Plus The establishment would never let it happen anyways

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Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

We have way more than 4 parties, the other ones just don't matter enough. In order to win a general you need to encompass a lot more than just your ideals which is why the left has moved left and the right has moved right. Ideally someone comes and is like "ill be the middle 80%" but we haven't seen it yet.

I'm not expecting "fringe" parties to win the presidency, or possibly even Senate seats, however we are seeing "fringes" winning seats in the House...on both sides.

CC_123 · 11-05-2020, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Just under 95% of the vote counted in PA; Trump still up 117,000 votes. Dems confident when all the votes are counted, they'll be ahead.

So are republicans. LOL.

I'm seeing there are still 875k votes to be counted in PA. That is a lot with only a 117k lead and mail-in votes trending Biden's way.

View Poll Results: Who wins these elections? (you can pick multiple)
Donald Trump	44	53.66%
Joe Biden	38	46.34%
Trump Wins Florida	44	53.66%
Biden Wins Florida	16	19.51%
Trump Wins Georgia	44	53.66%
Biden Wins Georgia	12	14.63%
Trump Wins Ohio	43	52.44%
Biden Wins Ohio	16	19.51%
Trump Wins Pennsylvania	27	32.93%
Biden Wins Pennsylvania	34	41.46%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 82. You may not vote on this poll

11-05-2020, 12:10 PM	#58534
Jgil316 Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Fort Mill, SC Posts: 2,708 Jgil316 Jgil316	Nevada up to a 12,000 vote lead for Biden. __________________ SUPER Collector Of: Daniel Nava, Jason Williams, Larry Bird, David Ortiz and David Pastrnak - ALWAYS BUYING!! GO SOX!!!! BODA - 'Nuff said

11-05-2020, 12:12 PM	#58536
NeedChapmans Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Connecticut Posts: 31,800 ProspectCincy NeedChapmans	Nevada vote is IN people. Biden widened his margin by 4,000 votes. Was only 14,000 worth of votes but the margin was pretty wide. 9,000 to 5,000. CALLING NEVADA FOR BIDEN. Aren't enough votes out there for Trump to make up ground if these are the kinds of votes left in Clark. (Which they are). Trump needs the last three. __________________ It is my legal right to freely profit from the notoriety of people who are actively suffering and possibly even dying and for a few hundred dollars I will gladly seek to maximize those profits.

11-05-2020, 12:17 PM	#58546
NeedChapmans Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Connecticut Posts: 31,800 ProspectCincy NeedChapmans	Just under 95% of the vote counted in PA; Trump still up 117,000 votes. Dems confident when all the votes are counted, they'll be ahead. So are republicans. LOL. __________________ It is my legal right to freely profit from the notoriety of people who are actively suffering and possibly even dying and for a few hundred dollars I will gladly seek to maximize those profits.

11-05-2020, 12:13 PM	#58537
BoxBreaker72 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 10,353	You will never convince me that there wasn't massive fraud. Sorry. Biden getting 5 million more votes than Obama in 08 is basically impossible. Especially with Trump gaining a bit in Hispanic/Black votes.