2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[rman112]

Originally Posted by thenwhatjk

I mean dude, I expressed my excitement that a policy of your guy which I STRONGLY disagree with and has ACTUALLY affected people in my life that I care about

None of this addresses what I'm talking about, though. I'm talking about the radicals that will inevitably come along as well.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by rman112

In regards to attacks perpetrated by Muslims, and drugs coming in from Mexico, yes. A small minority of them.

So I will ask you this. What is the best way to weed out the radicals from the good people? The people involved in trafficking drugs from the good people?

Rman: I'm curious about how (theoretically) this would work because I would like to weed out the people who perpetrate mass shootings or bombings, who are clearly not all Muslims or Mexicans.


Please expand on the bolded comment.

[GOWIFB]

Well there we go, that is done. Now the only question is how long Orange's hissy fit goes on for.

[jewcer2k5]

Originally Posted by rman112

In regards to attacks perpetrated by Muslims, and drugs coming in from Mexico, yes. A small minority of them.

So I will ask you this. What is the best way to weed out the radicals from the good people? The people involved in trafficking drugs from the good people?

So you punish the many for the acts of the few? That is not what this country was built on.

[RedSoxFan28]

Originally Posted by rman112

Ok. So a 2 part question.

1. Does a country like France have a problem with violent Muslim attacks? If you answer 'No', no need to read further. But if you answer 'Yes'..

2. What is the best way to prevent these things from happening here in America?

Ban anyone/everyone from entering the country. Build the wall. Only americans allowed in america. Americans never do violent attacks. We would finally be safe from those people.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

This is both a good question and a fair question. I respect you for asking it.

Sadly, I do not have the answer. But like many questions I cannot answer and many problems I cannot solve, I know what not to do.

Muslims are not the problem. Idiots are. And yes, some of the idiots are muslim. But idiots come in all colors and from all faiths. Muslim = idiot or terrorist is simply false.

Same with Mexicans. Most nasty drugs don't even come from Mexico; they merely come through Mexico.

I know what not to do. We need to not ban people based on religion or nationality. I know that.

I also know I do not fear a muslim terrorist with a knife (since you mentioned the recent attacks in France). This is America. Even a crocodile dundee knife is going to get a mfer shot here, lol.

Religious and nationalist discrimination is not what we do here. This is America. We are better than that nonsense. Do not for a second imply that is not the case, please. It is beneath you and us.

I do not have your answers. I admit that. But the answer is not discrimination. I refuse that outright, pure and simple.

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That's the thing, though. And 'idiots' is way too nice of a term for people who genuinely wish to bring harm.

And it's not even about religion, or even nationalism. It's about minimizing risks for terror.

[jdandns]

President-Elect Biden's speech:



Now that Trump's the underdog, my ceaseless social justice warrior virtue signaling search for self-satisfaction demands I take Trump's side against those of you who are booly-hink him.
Come at me, Libs!

Wow, what a strange twist to happen at the end there!

1,999 posts.
All killer.
No filler.
They belong to the Ages.

jay-danz, over and out.

[jewcer2k5]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Likely finishes closer than Georgia. Won't know for a while.

What’s over / under on electoral?

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

Rman: I'm curious about how (theoretically) this would work because I would like to weed out the people who perpetrate mass shootings or bombings, who are clearly not all Muslims or Mexicans.


Please expand on the bolded comment.

[JWBlue]

I am shocked at how over the top Biden's celebration was.

What exactly warrants a celebration like that?

[thenwhatjk]

Originally Posted by rman112

None of this addresses what I'm talking about, though. I'm talking about the radicals that will inevitably come along as well.

Dude there’s so many radicals that look like you and me though!

Do you have some stats on the ratio of Muslim radical-rooted violence vs people that look like you and me radical-rooted violence within the country in which we both reside? Has there EVER been a school massacre by someone who didn’t look like you or me?

[rman112]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

Rman: I'm curious about how (theoretically) this would work because I would like to weed out the people who perpetrate mass shootings or bombings, who are clearly not all Muslims or Mexicans.


Please expand on the bolded comment.

I'm not really sure what you mean, in the context of the conversation.

[GOWIFB]

Originally Posted by JWBlue

I am shocked at how over the top Biden's celebration was.

What exactly warrants a celebration like that?

Just curious, what was over the top about it?

[rman112]

Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

So you punish the many for the acts of the few? That is not what this country was built on.

And if the situation becomes one similar to what's happened in France, then what?

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by rman112

I'm not really sure what you mean, in the context of the conversation.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by thenwhatjk

Dude there’s so many radicals that look like you and me though!

Do you have some stats on the ratio of Muslim radical-rooted violence vs people that look like you and me radical-rooted violence within the country in which we both reside? Has there EVER been a school massacre by someone who didn’t look like you or me?

Isn't that just whataboutism, though?

[rman112]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Out of respect to blackbear, the bolded comment was "yes. A small minority of them."

[thenwhatjk]

Originally Posted by rman112

That's the thing, though. And 'idiots' is way too nice of a term for people who genuinely wish to bring harm.

And it's not even about religion, or even nationalism. It's about minimizing risks for terror.

Gun people share no liability for school shootings, right? How hard would it be to apply that same logic to something like this?

[oldgoldy97]

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

What’s over / under on electoral?

+74 if Biden wins AZ / +52 if he doesn't. The other 49 states are done (Georgia isn't called but recounts rarely add more than a few hundred votes.)

Firm W either way; Biden was able to flip four/five states that Trump won last year, all by razor thin margins. The only close state Trump improved his margins in which he lost in '16 was Nevada. In NH, MN and even VA; he was defeated easily.

There was a clear blue shift this year in the Presidential election but also a clear red shift this year in the down ballot races. It would seem that a lot of things did actually hurt the Democrats and those losses were absorbed by everyone who was not Joe Biden.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by thenwhatjk

Gun people share no liability for school shootings, right? How hard would it be to apply that same logic to something like this?

What are you talking about? None of this has anything to do with the conversation.

[thenwhatjk]

Originally Posted by rman112

Isn't that just whataboutism, though?

Sure, if certain violent radicalism you’re ok with and others you’re not

[thenwhatjk]

Originally Posted by rman112

What are you talking about? None of this has anything to do with the conversation.

Yes it does.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by thenwhatjk

I mean dude, I expressed my excitement that a policy of your guy which I STRONGLY disagree with and has ACTUALLY affected people in my life that I care about

Originally Posted by JustRachel

This is both a good question and a fair question. I respect you for asking it.

Sadly, I do not have the answer. But like many questions I cannot answer and many problems I cannot solve, I know what not to do.

Muslims are not the problem. Idiots are. And yes, some of the idiots are muslim. But idiots come in all colors and from all faiths. Muslim = idiot or terrorist is simply false.

Same with Mexicans. Most nasty drugs don't even come from Mexico; they merely come through Mexico.

I know what not to do. We need to not ban people based on religion or nationality. I know that.

I also know I do not fear a muslim terrorist with a knife (since you mentioned the recent attacks in France). This is America. Even a crocodile dundee knife is going to get a mfer shot here, lol.

Religious and nationalist discrimination is not what we do here. This is America. We are better than that nonsense. Do not for a second imply that is not the case, please. It is beneath you and us.

I do not have your answers. I admit that. But the answer is not discrimination. I refuse that outright, pure and simple.

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Originally Posted by blackbears86

Rman: I'm curious about how (theoretically) this would work because I would like to weed out the people who perpetrate mass shootings or bombings, who are clearly not all Muslims or Mexicans.


Please expand on the bolded comment.

Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

So you punish the many for the acts of the few? That is not what this country was built on.

Originally Posted by RedSoxFan28

Ban anyone/everyone from entering the country. Build the wall. Only americans allowed in america. Americans never do violent attacks. We would finally be safe from those people.

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

When it’s 10 vs 1, maybe it’s the 1 who’s in the wrong

Over halfway there

[rman112]

Originally Posted by thenwhatjk

Sure, if certain violent radicalism you’re ok with and others you’re not

You're putting a ton of words in my mouth here.

Either the ban decreases your chances of attacks occurring, or it doesn't. If there is a better way than a ban, what is it?