2010/11 Elite Black Box - Page 3

S.U.I.Z.I.D. · 09-14-2011, 01:31 PM

Aside from Manufactured logomen the product looks good. Those booklets and multiple sigs are way too sweet.

THe product is way overpriced, for sure, but overall it's not as bad as people think.

Sportscard Fan · 09-14-2011, 02:02 PM

While I've been worried about the devaluing of Logoman cards ever since Panini started putting out their manufactued patches, in the case of 2010/11 Elite Black Box I think they've crossed the line from bad judgement to flat out fraud. In looking at the Elite Black Box Glen Rice/Stephen Jackson Dual Logoman Dual Jersey card #55/85 that is currently up on ebay, I see the following wording on the back of the card:

"The enclosed game-worn material is guaranteed by Panini America, Inc."

Does that refer to the two jersey swatches or to the two Logoman patches or both? Since it doesn't specify which, I could argue that everything on the card is game-worn and the card's wording would back me up. This ambiguity is going to cause LOTS of problems between buyers and sellers of these cards for years to come. Ten years from now, will everyone know the story on these cards? I think not.

I've been against the whole monopoly thing that the NBA created since the very beginning, but I've purchased Panini products and tried to give them a chance. What I've seen over time is some very questionable moves by Panini that are designed to sell a lot of high-priced product in the short term, but are bad for the hobby in the long term. I've chalked it up to Panini trying to make back the millions in guaranteed money that they had to pay in order to get the monopoly. But this latest move with inserting tons of manufactured (fake) logomans and wording it so they might be game used is just too much. I can't believe their ethics could sink that low.

UltimateDeron · 09-14-2011, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by JellyMolly

Saw this on another forum
They can't even do it right with manufactured logomen

Good Lord. Upside down manufactured logomans? Its official, Panini sucks.

tYEwREEEk13 · 09-14-2011, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by UltimateDeron

Good Lord. Upside down manufactured logomans? Its official, Panini sucks.

There you go. Rick has spoken, so therefore it is no longer opinion...but fact.

dmogull · 09-14-2011, 02:31 PM

I personally think the Panini Product Development/Design team should be revamped from top to bottom. Which ever one of them thought "Hey collectors really dig logoman cards and pay through the roof for them, why don't we create a product with a manufactured logoman in every pack! Collectors wil eat it up becasue of all the logomen in it and we will have a new cash cow!" was a total moron, not realizing that collectors covet logoman cards becasue of their relative scarcity and illustriousness. It seems obvious these fake logoman cards #D /10000 will and are doing the exact opposite of what Panini originally intended. Some may make the argument that these cards are good for entry level collectors who want a real logoman card, but can't afford it...only problem is these packs still cost $250 a piece!!! At that price they should have real logomen in it and scrap those manufactured team patch cards....so ugly and unappealing...

gamboooler · 09-14-2011, 02:35 PM

I just looked over the checklist on Panini's site, and I may have to come off my hate of this product a little. There are some sick cards you could pull. Just as an example, there was a quad auto of David Robinson, Gary Payton, Grant Hill, and Vince Carter. Given what I've seen in terms of box breaks, $250 is still entirely too high. But I'd like to see what some of these big hits look like before I completely write it off.

tdmonkeys · 09-14-2011, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by gamboooler

I just looked over the checklist on Panini's site, and I may have to come off my hate of this product a little. There are some sick cards you could pull. Just as an example, there was a quad auto of David Robinson, Gary Payton, Grant Hill, and Vince Carter. Given what I've seen in terms of box breaks, $250 is still entirely too high. But I'd like to see what some of these big hits look like before I completely write it off.

Like a hundred dollars too high, that's too much to forgive the possibility for a big hit.

gamboooler · 09-14-2011, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by tdmonkeys

Like a hundred dollars too high, that's too much to forgive the possibility for a big hit.

I didn't say I'm buying any of it. Because it's extremely overpriced. I'm just saying it may not be as hot garbage as I originally thought.

tdmonkeys · 09-14-2011, 02:48 PM

Haha, hot garbage. I actually agree that I like the design of some of the cards.

S.U.I.Z.I.D. · 09-14-2011, 04:21 PM

People flame this because of the price. Wait till it hits 150 a box then this will sell like hot cakes.I admit I would bust box but im saving my $ for ufc finest.

g1l1fvp · 09-14-2011, 04:47 PM

It is really sad what all Panini has done to card collecting with this product. First off I am not going to lie, the design of the card's are pretty good. I think they did a good job on that. Then they blow the great card design with all the autos in that box so most of the autos are cut off and look really crappy. Then they decide to make manufactured logoman! I mean come on, you are going to first off make the box or "pack" of cards $250, then put manufactured logoman that are numbered to /10, /99, /149? The card doesn't even say wether or not it is actually game worn or not. My honest opinion about Panini is that they are trying to sell there cards to young collectors more so to most of us experienced collector's. I think that Panini making manufactured logoman is a "slap in the face" to us experienced collector's and pure gold to the young collector's that think a card with what looks like a real logoman is unbelievably rare and cool. To sum all of this garbage up, I think it is pretty fair to say that Panini SUCKS!

g1l1fvp · 09-14-2011, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by gamboooler

I just looked over the checklist on Panini's site, and I may have to come off my hate of this product a little. There are some sick cards you could pull. Just as an example, there was a quad auto of David Robinson, Gary Payton, Grant Hill, and Vince Carter. Given what I've seen in terms of box breaks, $250 is still entirely too high. But I'd like to see what some of these big hits look like before I completely write it off.

Yeah a David Robinson, Gary Payton, Grant Hill, and Vince Carter auto would be cool if they were not in that terrible little box they put there auto's in that more than 90% of the time cuts part of the auto off.

thor_rider08 · 09-14-2011, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by tdmonkeys

Like a hundred dollars too high, that's too much to forgive the possibility for a big hit.

More like why buy this crap at all?
Honestly 120$ price point is what I would expect IF the sticker autos were not layered in the card. That kills it.
Manu-logoman I am done i wash my hands of this crap...

suki24 · 09-14-2011, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Sportscard Fan

While I've been worried about the devaluing of Logoman cards ever since Panini started putting out their manufactued patches, in the case of 2010/11 Elite Black Box I think they've crossed the line from bad judgement to flat out fraud. In looking at the Elite Black Box Glen Rice/Stephen Jackson Dual Logoman Dual Jersey card #55/85 that is currently up on ebay, I see the following wording on the back of the card:

"The enclosed game-worn material is guaranteed by Panini America, Inc."

Does that refer to the two jersey swatches or to the two Logoman patches or both? Since it doesn't specify which, I could argue that everything on the card is game-worn and the card's wording would back me up. This ambiguity is going to cause LOTS of problems between buyers and sellers of these cards for years to come. Ten years from now, will everyone know the story on these cards? I think not.

I've been against the whole monopoly thing that the NBA created since the very beginning, but I've purchased Panini products and tried to give them a chance. What I've seen over time is some very questionable moves by Panini that are designed to sell a lot of high-priced product in the short term, but are bad for the hobby in the long term. I've chalked it up to Panini trying to make back the millions in guaranteed money that they had to pay in order to get the monopoly. But this latest move with inserting tons of manufactured (fake) logomans and wording it so they might be game used is just too much. I can't believe their ethics could sink that low.

There will be no confusion, any fan with a decent amount of knowledge of the game will know it's not likely to have 99 event worn logomans of one player for that year.

SPauthentic84 · 09-14-2011, 06:03 PM

I just hope that only people who like this buy it. It seems that most people hate what Panini is doing. Im hoping the logoman is the breaking point for most and they stop buying the stuff rather than complaining about it and buying it anyways...

ripandlist · 09-14-2011, 10:20 PM

This product is way better then most we have seen lately. It was a fun break and I even ordered some more.

g1l1fvp · 09-14-2011, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ripandlist

This product is way better then most we have seen lately. It was a fun break and I even ordered some more.

Haha so your saying that Elite Black is better than National Treasures? I am voting that this is probably in the top 5 for the worst product's to ever come out in the last 10 years in the card collecting hobby for basketball. Gold Standard also gets my vote! Panini has started a whole new form of auto and game used cards... Their called "cut off" auto's and manufactured memorabilia cards. What's the point of having an auto that's cut off and a memorabilia card that is not actually memorabilia? They might as well just not even put auto's on their cards(which there wouldn't be any if players weren't willing to sign a bunch of stickers) and they should just start getting swingman jersey's for all their "game used" cards because we all know that there best known for their manufactured garbage. And also you find it fun to open a pack of 8 cards were you get Gold Standard cards that are black, 3 cheap Court Kings jersey cards or maybe 2 Court Kings jersey cards and 1 subpar patch that is mostly covered up with that timeline bull that they do, (SARCASM)possibly even the greatest card ever invented: the Manufactured logoman

numbered to as low as /5 and as high as /149(SARCASM), oh and don't forget your 2 or 3 autographs that are cut off and are on a sticker. Man you would be lucky if you got $100 back from the average Elite Black box. I really hope that you pull a bunch of 1/1's or some auto's of Kobe, Durant, Rose because Panini just played you like a sucker!

jameshues · 09-14-2011, 11:16 PM

One thing I hate about Panini (as mentioned above) is how they cover up patches with die-cuts and stuff like that. I have a Chris Paul Prime Patch in the shape of a '3' and you can feel the card and notice that the patch is actually huge, but literally 60% of it is covered in shiny cardboard.

boombaby_rm31 · 09-14-2011, 11:25 PM

those booklet patches are really amazing

armyatc22 · 09-15-2011, 08:05 AM

Just sold the USA patch auto on eBay for $150

that makes me feel a lot better!!!

09-14-2011, 06:03 PM	#65
SPauthentic84 Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: PA Posts: 11,317	I just hope that only people who like this buy it. It seems that most people hate what Panini is doing. Im hoping the logoman is the breaking point for most and they stop buying the stuff rather than complaining about it and buying it anyways... __________________ Follow me on Instagram: Spauthentic1

09-14-2011, 10:20 PM	#66
ripandlist Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: North Dakota Posts: 835 bigwrangs WAXBLASTER	This product is way better then most we have seen lately. It was a fun break and I even ordered some more. __________________ www.youtube.com/ripandlist

09-14-2011, 11:16 PM	#68
jameshues Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 1,584	One thing I hate about Panini (as mentioned above) is how they cover up patches with die-cuts and stuff like that. I have a Chris Paul Prime Patch in the shape of a '3' and you can feel the card and notice that the patch is actually huge, but literally 60% of it is covered in shiny cardboard. __________________ Looking for all CHRIS PAUL patches and autos! My photobucket: http://www.photobucket.com/jameshues

09-14-2011, 11:25 PM	#69
boombaby_rm31 Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Ottawa, ON, CANADA! Posts: 2,717 boombaby_rm31 boombaby_rm31	those booklet patches are really amazing __________________ always looking for indiana pacers cards http://s898.photobucket.com/user/pacer_pan/library/ @boombaby_rm31

09-14-2011, 01:31 PM	#51
S.U.I.Z.I.D. Banned Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 2,835	Aside from Manufactured logomen the product looks good. Those booklets and multiple sigs are way too sweet. THe product is way overpriced, for sure, but overall it's not as bad as people think.

09-14-2011, 02:02 PM	#52
Sportscard Fan Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,364	While I've been worried about the devaluing of Logoman cards ever since Panini started putting out their manufactued patches, in the case of 2010/11 Elite Black Box I think they've crossed the line from bad judgement to flat out fraud. In looking at the Elite Black Box Glen Rice/Stephen Jackson Dual Logoman Dual Jersey card #55/85 that is currently up on ebay, I see the following wording on the back of the card: "The enclosed game-worn material is guaranteed by Panini America, Inc." Does that refer to the two jersey swatches or to the two Logoman patches or both? Since it doesn't specify which, I could argue that everything on the card is game-worn and the card's wording would back me up. This ambiguity is going to cause LOTS of problems between buyers and sellers of these cards for years to come. Ten years from now, will everyone know the story on these cards? I think not. I've been against the whole monopoly thing that the NBA created since the very beginning, but I've purchased Panini products and tried to give them a chance. What I've seen over time is some very questionable moves by Panini that are designed to sell a lot of high-priced product in the short term, but are bad for the hobby in the long term. I've chalked it up to Panini trying to make back the millions in guaranteed money that they had to pay in order to get the monopoly. But this latest move with inserting tons of manufactured (fake) logomans and wording it so they might be game used is just too much. I can't believe their ethics could sink that low.

09-14-2011, 02:31 PM	#55
dmogull Banned Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: NY/NJ Posts: 4,038 m3equals333	I personally think the Panini Product Development/Design team should be revamped from top to bottom. Which ever one of them thought "Hey collectors really dig logoman cards and pay through the roof for them, why don't we create a product with a manufactured logoman in every pack! Collectors wil eat it up becasue of all the logomen in it and we will have a new cash cow!" was a total moron, not realizing that collectors covet logoman cards becasue of their relative scarcity and illustriousness. It seems obvious these fake logoman cards #D /10000 will and are doing the exact opposite of what Panini originally intended. Some may make the argument that these cards are good for entry level collectors who want a real logoman card, but can't afford it...only problem is these packs still cost $250 a piece!!! At that price they should have real logomen in it and scrap those manufactured team patch cards....so ugly and unappealing...

09-14-2011, 02:35 PM	#56
gamboooler Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 8,064 gamboooler gamboooler	I just looked over the checklist on Panini's site, and I may have to come off my hate of this product a little. There are some sick cards you could pull. Just as an example, there was a quad auto of David Robinson, Gary Payton, Grant Hill, and Vince Carter. Given what I've seen in terms of box breaks, $250 is still entirely too high. But I'd like to see what some of these big hits look like before I completely write it off.

09-14-2011, 02:48 PM	#59
tdmonkeys Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,260	Haha, hot garbage. I actually agree that I like the design of some of the cards.

09-14-2011, 04:21 PM	#60
S.U.I.Z.I.D. Banned Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 2,835	People flame this because of the price. Wait till it hits 150 a box then this will sell like hot cakes.I admit I would bust box but im saving my $ for ufc finest.

09-14-2011, 04:47 PM	#61
g1l1fvp Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 503	It is really sad what all Panini has done to card collecting with this product. First off I am not going to lie, the design of the card's are pretty good. I think they did a good job on that. Then they blow the great card design with all the autos in that box so most of the autos are cut off and look really crappy. Then they decide to make manufactured logoman! I mean come on, you are going to first off make the box or "pack" of cards $250, then put manufactured logoman that are numbered to /10, /99, /149? The card doesn't even say wether or not it is actually game worn or not. My honest opinion about Panini is that they are trying to sell there cards to young collectors more so to most of us experienced collector's. I think that Panini making manufactured logoman is a "slap in the face" to us experienced collector's and pure gold to the young collector's that think a card with what looks like a real logoman is unbelievably rare and cool. To sum all of this garbage up, I think it is pretty fair to say that Panini SUCKS!

09-15-2011, 08:05 AM	#70
armyatc22 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Who knows Posts: 22,041 armyatc22	Just sold the USA patch auto on eBay for $150 that makes me feel a lot better!!!