2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP - Page 2495

techtre2003 · 11-12-2020, 02:43 PM

Quote:

I find this post a great illustration about where we are at.

Democrats feel point 1 is slowly eroding democracy and Republicans don’t seem to mind.

Republicans feel point 2 is slowly eroding personal rights and Democrats don’t seem to mind.

Democrats take solace in the power of the people while Republicans feel power comes from the individual.

I'd say that's a pretty good basic summation. What I'd add personally as a conservative is that Democrat leaders are pretty good about creating the illusion of power of the people where to me it doesn't matter if you vote left or right our leaders in government are concerned first and foremost about power to the party. So that's where individualism becomes important.

Brobocop · 11-12-2020, 02:43 PM

I know they say you can only judge a President's term 15-20 years after they've left office. That being said, I think Trump's actions since the election have severely undermined our elections process and is doing plenty of damage to the reliability of the results in way too many minds. I'm not saying he has to concede but holy smokes, he retweets all kinds of unsubstantiated claims. Tweets way too many falsehoods. This is incredibly harmful to our process and I do have a bit of fear of what the country will look like in 5-10 years because of it.

And it all roots from the fact that he can't accept defeat. Such a child.

NeedChapmans · 11-12-2020, 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brobocop

I know they say you can only judge a President's term 15-20 years after they've left office. That being said, I think Trump's actions since the election have severely undermined our elections process and is doing plenty of damage to the reliability of the results in way too many minds. I'm not saying he has to concede but holy smokes, he retweets all kinds of unsubstantiated claims. Tweets way too many falsehoods. This is incredibly harmful to our process and I do have a bit of fear of what the country will look like in 5-10 years because of it.

And it all roots from the fact that he can't accept defeat. Such a child.

69% of democratic voters said they had no faith in the election process one week after the 2016 elections. Now, 70% of republicans say it (Morning consult poll both times). For the team that won however ... both said 95% plus they have faith in elections.

What happened as a result of Democrats largely saying they don't trust elections? Nothing. And it's the same thing that will come from this when Biden is sworn in.

It's just noise.

blackbears86 · 11-12-2020, 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clark

Explain that to the many losing their business or home. Step away from this discussion.

well clark, you live in Canada, and by your own admission, haven't been here for years, so why don't you step away from this discussion?

I still haven't figured out why your so salty about our issues down here. Why not focus on why the Canadian dollar is worth 76 cents compared to the US dollar?

charnick · 11-12-2020, 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jopeal

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4318576/

That would be it. Funny how we can actually have a conversation about probably the most divisive topic in the world yesterday and even some of the folks I disagree with the most can have an adult, mature conversation with mutual empathy, and then this guy comes back, and starts throwing poop again. I don't regret my post, and I will proudly stand up against grotesque commments like that.

blackbears86 · 11-12-2020, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lionsfan20

Won't change the outcome but I am glad some of the issues will be exposed and cleaned up for future elections.

Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk

agree. This stuff needs to be resolved before 2022

JustRachel · 11-12-2020, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

I'll occasionally take a homeless guy to lunch as long as they don't look like they're on heroin. Keep your AIDS away from me, bro. I'm not handing out a dozen hoagies a month, though... I'm too greedy for all that. One of my points was that I see the ripple effect of a small business closing when I think about that scenario, not just a business owner losing his business. I don't see why that person gets left out in the cold and stuck with a real uphill battle once we've moved past this. Everybody gets a check or we all suffer together.

Sure. The business owner would get a check too. But it would be to him, not his business, and the same amount everyone else gets.

The PPP trickles down I guess. But I'd rather see the funds given directly to people (even business owners) rather than trickling through businesses.

ETA: Collectors Universe is a prime example. A seven figure handout was given to a booming business. Maybe they used it as prescribed, maybe not. All I know is they recently announced a doubling of their footprint in an attempt to handle overwhelming submissions.

If the seven figure handout was given to the employees instead, we'd know it went where it was intended.

JustRachel · 11-12-2020, 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brobocop

When you delve into insults like that, maybe it's time to put the computer away. I think in the history of the internet, there has been seven arguments won and that was back when AOL was the only way to access the web.

I can say honestly that I have lost at least five arguments on the internet. I don't think I've ever won any though.

Sent from my Pixel 3a XL using Tapatalk

charnick · 11-12-2020, 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brobocop

When you delve into insults like that, maybe it's time to put the computer away. I think in the history of the internet, there has been seven arguments won and that was back when AOL was the only way to access the web.

Agreed. And I apologize to the group as a whole for contributing to the noise, but not to him directly in the least. Plenty of stuff to do today, time to replenish the positivity. Sorry guys for letting the emotions get the better of me, it's obviously also something close to my heart. The New Yorker in me sometimes rears his ugly head. What he said was pretty gross, though.

NeedChapmans · 11-12-2020, 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by charnick

Agreed. And I apologize to the group as a whole for contributing to the noise, but not to him directly in the least. Plenty of stuff to do today, time to replenish the positivity. Sorry guys for letting the emotions get the better of me, it's obviously also something close to my heart. The New Yorker in me sometimes rears his ugly head. What he said was pretty gross, though.

Shallow words from someone who has been actively calling forum members racists on social media.

Just go away.

ballhawkdawk · 11-12-2020, 03:11 PM

No regerts.

Jopeal · 11-12-2020, 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Shallow words from someone who has been actively calling forum members racists on social media.

Just go away.

I mean c'mon. Let's not pretend this forum is a post-racial utopia.

JustRachel · 11-12-2020, 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Shallow words from someone who has been actively calling forum members racists on social media.

Just go away.

Hmm...curious.

By a show of hands, who here is a racist?

***looks around, sees no hands***

Well, that's good enough for me.

Sent from my Pixel 3a XL using Tapatalk

techtre2003 · 11-12-2020, 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Shallow words from someone who has been actively calling forum members racists on social media.

Just go away.

Let's not get this thread locked before Trump is declared winner!

NeedChapmans · 11-12-2020, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by techtre2003

Let's not get this thread locked before Trump is declared winner!

The thread has it's highs and lows. And if what you joked about actually happened; I'm not sure whether that's a high or low!

Everybody just getting a little anxious because we're 10 days out from an election where it's still not 100% crystal clear. And it should be.

techtre2003 · 11-12-2020, 03:22 PM

So is this a cause for concern or nah?
Edit: Klain is Biden's pick for Chief of Staff.

JustRachel · 11-12-2020, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by techtre2003

So is this a cause for concern or nah?
Edit: Klain is Biden's pick for Chief of Staff.

I vote nah.

But I don't claim to be smart.

Sent from my Pixel 3a XL using Tapatalk

NeedChapmans · 11-12-2020, 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JustRachel

I vote nah.

But I don't claim to be smart.

Sent from my Pixel 3a XL using Tapatalk

The reason for the image is because Ron Klain is going to be Biden's Chief of Staff.

ballhawkdawk · 11-12-2020, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Sure. The business owner would get a check too. But it would be to him, not his business, and the same amount everyone else gets.

The PPP trickles down I guess. But I'd rather see the funds given directly to people (even business owners) rather than trickling through businesses.

ETA: Collectors Universe is a prime example. A seven figure handout was given to a booming business. Maybe they used it as prescribed, maybe not. All I know is they recently announced a doubling of their footprint in an attempt to handle overwhelming submissions.

If the seven figure handout was given to the employees instead, we'd know it went where it was intended.

Of course some businesses exploited the PPP loans, and they were poorly managed from the start, and some individuals were even making more sitting at home during lockdowns than they were while they were working before lockdowns. There's no perfect solution. But there's a difference between being an individual with only your bills and being a business owner with not only your bills, but the bills of your business, and if enough businesses shut down, then all of those individuals have nothing to go back to. It just seems like a major problem to only hand out $$$ to individuals and not to also try to protect the businesses at the same time. Seems destined for failure.

techtre2003 · 11-12-2020, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JustRachel

I vote nah.

But I don't claim to be smart.

Sent from my Pixel 3a XL using Tapatalk

So Trump saying elections are rigged and fights it = threat to Democracy
Potential Biden administration member says elections are rigged = shrug?

charnick · 11-12-2020, 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Shallow words from someone who has been actively calling forum members racists on social media.

Just go away.

No.

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Hmmm, I like what I see.

If it walks like a duck...

A Proud Boys leader is trying to rebrand the group as explicitly white supremacist and anti-Semitic
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/florida...63e-story.html

Alleged Proud Boys Leader Declares ‘Standby Order Has Been Rescinded’ While Some Trump Supporters Protest
https://www.forbes.com/sites/nichola...h=21a6d5bb179a

2 Proud Boys members sentenced to 4 years over NYC melee
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/...melee-66451375

Proud Boys member sentenced to 30 years for distributing cocaine and possessing firearms in Cedar Rapids
https://www.thegazette.com/subject/n...apids-20201106

Extremists like Proud Boys, encouraged by Trump, fuel fire of misogyny and gender violence
https://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com...ce/5985278002/

Southern Poverty Law Center on the Proud Boys
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-h...oup/proud-boys

Anti-Defamation League on the Proud Boys
https://www.adl.org/proudboys

JustRachel · 11-12-2020, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

Of course some businesses exploited the PPP loans, and they were poorly managed from the start, and some individuals were even making more sitting at home during lockdowns than they were while they were working before lockdowns. There's no perfect solution. But there's a difference between being an individual with only your bills and being a business owner with not only your bills, but the bills of your business, and if enough businesses shut down, then all of those individuals have nothing to go back to. It just seems like a major problem to only hand out $$$ to individuals and not to also try to protect the businesses at the same time. Seems destined for failure.

Maybe so.

In the end, I'd like to help people that need it and nobody else. If I have to choose between a $2T stimulus in which ~$300M goes to those people or leaving Americans to figure it out for themselves, it's an easy choice for me. Personal responsibility wins in that scenario. I'll volunteer at the soup kitchen if it comes to that.

Sent from my Pixel 3a XL using Tapatalk

JustRachel · 11-12-2020, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by techtre2003

So Trump saying elections are rigged and fights it = threat to Democracy
Potential Biden administration member says elections are rigged = shrug?

Yes.

I'm glad you understand.

Sent from my Pixel 3a XL using Tapatalk

cnewby · 11-12-2020, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by charnick

No.

If it walks like a duck...

Soooooo, you ARE calling NC a racist, or aren't? And are you and ucLAkers friends by any chance?

packman80 · 11-12-2020, 03:44 PM

Pelosi and Schumer saying the GOP Senate needs to move on and accept Biden won? Really? This is the pot calling the kettle black. These two spent the last four years trying to do everything they could to get rid of Trump refusing to accept him. Dems not in power throw a fit refuse to accept anything. Dems in power accept it and move on. SMH

View Poll Results: Who wins these elections? (you can pick multiple)
Donald Trump	44	53.66%
Joe Biden	38	46.34%
Trump Wins Florida	44	53.66%
Biden Wins Florida	16	19.51%
Trump Wins Georgia	44	53.66%
Biden Wins Georgia	12	14.63%
Trump Wins Ohio	43	52.44%
Biden Wins Ohio	16	19.51%
Trump Wins Pennsylvania	27	32.93%
Biden Wins Pennsylvania	34	41.46%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 82. You may not vote on this poll

11-12-2020, 02:43 PM	#62352
Brobocop Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 13,611 brobocop2	I know they say you can only judge a President's term 15-20 years after they've left office. That being said, I think Trump's actions since the election have severely undermined our elections process and is doing plenty of damage to the reliability of the results in way too many minds. I'm not saying he has to concede but holy smokes, he retweets all kinds of unsubstantiated claims. Tweets way too many falsehoods. This is incredibly harmful to our process and I do have a bit of fear of what the country will look like in 5-10 years because of it. And it all roots from the fact that he can't accept defeat. Such a child.

11-12-2020, 03:11 PM	#62361
ballhawkdawk Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: Downingtown, PA Posts: 7,485	No regerts.

11-12-2020, 03:22 PM	#62366
techtre2003 Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: East Central Illinois Posts: 2,203 techtre1981	So is this a cause for concern or nah? Edit: Klain is Biden's pick for Chief of Staff.

11-12-2020, 03:44 PM	#62375
packman80 Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 16,914	Pelosi and Schumer saying the GOP Senate needs to move on and accept Biden won? Really? This is the pot calling the kettle black. These two spent the last four years trying to do everything they could to get rid of Trump refusing to accept him. Dems not in power throw a fit refuse to accept anything. Dems in power accept it and move on. SMH