2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[rocketfan86]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

Yay! The Danish study on mask wearing is out!

Newsflash, they don't work.

https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817

While there is some reduction in SARS-CoV-2 infections with mask-wearers compared to unmasked persons, the results of the study were not statistically significant, suggesting there is not too much of a difference between wearing a mask and not.

I did like the stringent testing with PCR and antibody testing.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

The difference was what, .3% I believe?

Yeah.. my understanding, as someone who doesn’t read medical studies often, is a 2.1% infection rate in people without masks and 1.8% infection rate in people with masks. Roughly a 16% increase, but 16% sounds scarier than it is when dealing with percentages so small in the first place.

I could be misunderstanding, though.

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

Yeah.. my understanding, as someone who doesn’t read medical studies often, is a 2.1% infection rate in people without masks and 1.8% infection rate in people with masks. Roughly a 16% increase, but 16% sounds scarier than it is when dealing with percentages so small in the first place.

I could be misunderstanding, though.

It seems tiny but hard to say, but when the NY Times is saying it basically doesn't work, then that's shocking haha.

[JustRachel]

So, bottom line, we still suggest masks are better than no masks.

Did we really need another study to tell us that?

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[mike1498]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

1) yes
2) no
3) maybe
4) I don't care
5) thankfully, yes. Whew!
6) democrats always want more than they have coming, so yes
7) it doesn't matter if it can't be proven
8) election? When did that happen?

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I’d actually like option 9) Obama is a lizard person who is working with the Russians to cause chaos. The real Trump actually won but is being held hostage in that pizza parlor in DC known for Pizzagate.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

So, bottom line, we still suggest masks are better than no masks.

Did we really need another study to tell us that?

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The study was privately funded.

Bottom line is that yes, masks are better than no masks, but judging by the amount of PPE I see on the ground, masks/gloves are probably doing more harm than good in terms of net effect. I don’t care if you all die of Covid, but so help me god if one turtle gets a mask stuck around its head...

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

So, bottom line, we still suggest masks are better than no masks.

Did we really need another study to tell us that?

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Not really, if someone feels uncomfortable wearing it (say they get rashes, it affects their respiratory) they shouldn't wear it. And cloth masks are pointless at this point. If you're wearing a mask, it's N-95 or bust and the N-95 doesn't seem very impactful.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

The difference was what, .3% I believe?

Yes statistically insignificant.

However that is .3% under those exact circumstances studied. So it’s not correct to take this limited study and just say “mask don’t work/help”. That would be a gross misinterpretation of the study parameters and conclusions.

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

Yes statistically insignificant.

However that is .3% under those exact circumstances studied. So it’s not correct to take this limited study and just say “mask don’t work/help”. That would be a gross misinterpretation of the study parameters and conclusions.

I think the more accurate thing is, can we stop being told to wear a mask to protect others? The most utter BS I have ever heard to make people feel good/bad depending on their mask wearing.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

Not really, if someone feels uncomfortable wearing it (say they get rashes, it affects their respiratory) they shouldn't wear it. And cloth masks are pointless at this point. If you're wearing a mask, it's N-95 or bust and the N-95 doesn't seem very impactful.

Lol @ not really.

Kinda, maybe sorta...ummm.

Yes, really. In terms of the spread of this potentially deadly disease, masks are better than no masks.

Honestly, I don't care much if people wear them or not at this point, as long as they don't come near me without one. I'm a big fan of natural selection.

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[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

I think the more accurate thing is, can we stop being told to wear a mask to protect others? The most utter BS I have ever heard to make people feel good/bad depending on their mask wearing.

Honestly I don’t see the issue. It’s a piece of surgical cloth. It doesn’t choke, restrict or hinder a significant part of the population and there is plenty of evidence that demonstrates it is effective in preventing person to person transmission.

So I wouldn’t agree to “stop telling people to wear a mask to protect others”, though in the age of blatant dis/misinformation I can understand the frustration about being told to do something thay doesn’t have an immediately positive affect that can be seen.

[thenwhatjk]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

The most utter BS I have ever heard to make people feel good/bad depending on their mask wearing.

Well this is awkward

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by thenwhatjk

Well this is awkward

speak for yourself

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

Honestly I don’t see the issue. It’s a piece of surgical cloth. It doesn’t choke, restrict or hinder a significant part of the population and there is plenty of evidence that demonstrates it is effective in preventing person to person transmission.

So I wouldn’t agree to “stop telling people to wear a mask to protect others”, though in the age of blatant dis/misinformation I can understand the frustration about being told to do something thay doesn’t have an immediately positive affect that can be seen.

Is there evidence? Or is it like most things in COVID world and we both can find data and evidence to match our beliefs?

The difference is, it became political. If it wasn't political, no issue. Instead, it's, "My science is better than yours!"

People should do what they see fit for themselves. End of story.

[Zedlaw]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

I think the more accurate thing is, can we stop being told to wear a mask to protect others? The most utter BS I have ever heard to make people feel good/bad depending on their mask wearing.

This isn't the conclusion of the study at all.

2333 people walked around with masks and 2523 walked around without. In an environment where the rest of the population (95+%) are NOT wearing masks. Under those circumstances wearing a mask didn't really protect you from getting covid. Which is basically already widely accepted. Masks don't really protect you from already airbourne particles. This study says nothing about wearing a mask to protect others or whether a masked population can stop the spread of covid.

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

Is there evidence? Or is it like most things in COVID world and we both can find data and evidence to match our beliefs?

The difference is, it became political. If it wasn't political, no issue. Instead, it's, "My science is better than yours!"

People should do what they see fit for themselves. End of story.

Absolutely not. People are stupid as evidenced by the gatherings/parties/etc. End of story

[BGT Masters]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

Absolutely not. People are stupid as evidenced by the gatherings/parties/etc. End of story

That doesn't make people stupid, it just means they look at a particular risk differently than you do. Regardless of what side of the argument you're on. We "flattened the curve", bought time, and a vaccine will be here shortly and the election will be over soon. No more excuses, no more agendas, no more using Covid as a weapon of fear or as a bargaining chip, open backup.

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

Absolutely not. People are stupid as evidenced by the gatherings/parties/etc. End of story

And the protests and the riots and the lockdowns and the mask mandates.

Again, we can cherry pick all day long.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

Is there evidence? Or is it like most things in COVID world and we both can find data and evidence to match our beliefs?

The difference is, it became political. If it wasn't political, no issue. Instead, it's, "My science is better than yours!"

People should do what they see fit for themselves. End of story.

Yeah there is plenty of evidence that it limits person to person transmission.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7228242/

https://www.beaumont.org/health-well...-in-protection

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...sars-cov2.html

The idea that masks do not lower the risk of person to person transmission is misinformation. It stems from studies that show masking does not stop the spread of the virus on a large scale. However when I’m navigating my day to day life, the science that is most applicable to me is person to person transmission. Whether it spreads large scale or not, I have no control. Unless you get 100% of Americans to wear masks, you’ll never fully control for large scale spread. However that does not mean masking is not effective as you simply can’t control that variable to the extent necessary.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

Absolutely not. People are stupid as evidenced by the gatherings/parties/etc. End of story

End of story? The story didn’t even start. I’m not even sure what you’re saying.

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

End of story? The story didn’t even start. I’m not even sure what you’re saying.

I was quoting him. He said people should do as they see fit for themselves. End of story.

I'm not even going to get started on that because the statement is just so broad and ridiculous.

[pingbling23]

Take away cars and we 100% eliminate crash fatalities. The time is now to make a difference.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by BGT Masters

That doesn't make people stupid, it just means they look at a particular risk differently than you do. Regardless of what side of the argument you're on. We "flattened the curve", bought time, and a vaccine will be here shortly and the election will be over soon. No more excuses, no more agendas, no more using Covid as a weapon of fear or as a bargaining chip, open backup.

I think we’re a ways away from a vaccine. Probably second half of 2021 before it’s readily available to the masses. I guess it depends on how you view “shortly” in terms of time. We’re in for at least another six months of this.

[IgnatiusJReilly]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

Take away cars and we 100% eliminate crash fatalities. The time is now to make a difference.

Car crashes don’t scale exponentially. Math matters.


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[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

Take away cars and we 100% eliminate crash fatalities. The time is now to make a difference.

It’s interesting to me that people get super emotional about masks / no masks, but there’s little talk about speeding, distracted driving, impaired driving, etc. Most of the same logic applies. These deaths matter, but not those. Shows you how influential the media is on our everyday thoughts. Covid Covid Covid.