MBA Diamond certification

[DragonWagon]

Do collectors really need an Authenticator to authenticate an already authenticated card?

Sure, the Big 3 (PSA, BGS, and SGC) have their problems, but will an Authenticator of Authenticators bring any additional consistency, quality or added value to collectors?

A quick eBay search reveals that consistency and quality are already questionable. A 1993 SP Jeter was graded SGC 8.5, but still received the highest rating of gold diamond, while several other cards graded by SGC and PSA as 10’s received a silver diamond rating. This show that consistency may already be a problem.


A 1992 Topps Shaq was graded SGC 10, but on the diamond certification is clearly states that it is a PSA card. This show that quality control is already a problem


Maybe it’s just a misunderstanding on my end and I need to do some more research about it.

What’s next? A company that creates a label and holder for the Big 3 grades to appear on the 1 slab, much like sub grades. It would work by having a collector send the card to the company. The company then sends the card out to be authenticated by each grading company. After all 3 companies have graded it, the new company slabs it with all 3 grades.


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[pip]

Remember GAI? Expect the same level of professionalism and similar service. Many of the same people are involved.

[superdan49]

Collectors should decide for themselves if this is a worthwhile service, but I can confirm at least one six-figure altered card was certified by MBA:

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?p=16622968

[CicadaMound]

The colors refer to quality(/qualiity) tiers within each grade, so a 10 with a gold diamond is better than a 10 with a silver diamond is better than a 9 with a gold diamond.

His standards page is here

https://www.mbadiamond.com/grading/standards

[DragonWagon]

Originally Posted by CicadaMound

The colors refer to quality(/qualiity) tiers within each grade, so a 10 with a gold diamond is better than a 10 with a silver diamond is better than a 9 with a gold diamond.

His standards page is here

https://www.mbadiamond.com/grading/standards

Thank you. That makes much more sense to me.


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[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Probstein is already starting to list these MBA cards in his auctions.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/363192615514

I think it’s lame.

[notoriousrmb]

We need a BODA certification of MBA.

Some googly eyes on the diamond sticker on the PSA flip.

[tcdyess]

And did we tell you the name of the game, boy?
We call it "Riding The Gravy Train"

[pip]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

Probstein is already starting to list these MBA cards in his auctions.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/363192615514

I think it’s lame.

Probstein + MBA. Birds of a feather....

[pspa123]

Mike was the best grader in the hobby, IMO, when he was at PSA. Early GAI was good. I'm not sure exactly what went wrong there but it did. They needed money and made compromises, I suppose. This service to me seems stupid.

[tonedef2oo8]

MBA and GAI are linked

GAI literally passed nothing but fakes for A while.

It’s another scam

[CaptSpaulding]

I don't blame Mike for wanting to get back in the hobby. Before GAI took a turn for the worse he had contemplated doing a service similar to this. I think he and the hobby would have benefited by his running a grading room in spite of his association with GAI's collapse. I was told he was offered that position at the newly formed CSG and declined due to his desire to move forward with MBA.

[tonedef2oo8]

Originally Posted by CaptSpaulding

I don't blame Mike for wanting to get back in the hobby. Before GAI took a turn for the worse he had contemplated doing a service similar to this. I think he and the hobby would have benefited by his running a grading room in spite of his association with GAI's collapse. I was told he was offered that position at the newly formed CSG and declined due to his desire to move forward with MBA.

Would you not blame oj if he got into the knife selling game also?

[CaptSpaulding]

Originally Posted by tonedef2oo8

Would you not blame oj if he got into the knife selling game also?

Who knows more about knives than OJ?

I guess you must think that Baker was the only guy to appear compromised in a grading room because Beckett, PSA and SGC seem so incredibly clean, eh?

I have not had contact with him for a number of years but at least after he left a grading room he was not associated with slicing up cards and passing them through various grading services like a considerable number of former employees of TPG are doing.

[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by DragonWagon

Do collectors really need an Authenticator to authenticate an already authenticated card?

Sure, the Big 3 (PSA, BGS, and SGC) have their problems, but will an Authenticator of Authenticators bring any additional consistency, quality or added value to collectors?

Most cards in slabs today didn’t really need to be authenticated or graded to begin with. So understanding why people slab cards will help us understand whether additional certification will take off in the hobby.

The answer is undoubtedly yes...Additional certification is needed because most people don’t slab to certify condition. They certify because they buy into the idea put forth by grading companies and their seller and auction house partners that grading will bring profit regardless of the actual condition of the card.

Grading companies constantly cultivate the idea that grading is important to specific people using a variety of techniques. All these certification companies need to do to make certification popular is to use the same methods grading companies use to hype slabs.

[tonedef2oo8]

Originally Posted by CaptSpaulding

Who knows more about knives than OJ?

I guess you must think that Baker was the only guy to appear compromised in a grading room because Beckett, PSA and SGC seem so incredibly clean, eh?

I have not had contact with him for a number of years but at least after he left a grading room he was not associated with slicing up cards and passing them through various grading services like a considerable number of former employees of TPG are doing.

No I’m saying he should leave the hobby. Saying hey others are crooked isn’t a point it’s a deflection. Stick to the topic , no one associated with GAI should be allowed in the hobby.

They should have done this with GAI cards when they where passing thousands of fakes a week. Now this guy is going to do it to others? That’s funny.

What’s next Bernie madoff giving investing tips? Stop it.

[pip]

Originally Posted by CaptSpaulding

Who knows more about knives than OJ?

I guess you must think that Baker was the only guy to appear compromised in a grading room because Beckett, PSA and SGC seem so incredibly clean, eh?

I have not had contact with him for a number of years but at least after he left a grading room he was not associated with slicing up cards and passing them through various grading services like a considerable number of former employees of TPG are doing.

Who needs to slice cards when you can replace higher quality cards with lower quality ones instead?

And now something else that nearly no one knows: one of the sting operations I mentioned to you earlier that I wrote but the new publisher chose not to publish, was regarding PSA. Part 1: I sent some Mark McGwire RC's (when it was the hottest card in the market) to PSA for grading. They were clearly NM+ or better on the low side. I also marked them with invisible ink. I got back different cards than the ones I sent in.

Source: https://www.net54baseball.com/showpo...6&postcount=31

I've heard similar allegations about the replacement of 1989 UD Griffeys as well during MB's tenure at PSA.

[CaptSpaulding]

Originally Posted by tonedef2oo8

No I’m saying he should leave the hobby. Saying hey others are crooked isn’t a point it’s a deflection. Stick to the topic , no one associated with GAI should be allowed in the hobby.

They should have done this with GAI cards when they where passing thousands of fakes a week. Now this guy is going to do it to others? That’s funny.

What’s next Bernie madoff giving investing tips? Stop it.

No what is funny is that you claim GAI was passing thousands of fake cards a week. Of all the complaints about them this is the first I have ever heard of that.

If the hobby could only be made up of completely ethical people there would be 6 people left and only two of those would be collectors.

I get that it is personal with you and GAI or Baker. Was not defending what happened with GAI. I happen to think he had a great eye.

[CaptSpaulding]

Originally Posted by pip

Who needs to slice cards when you can replace higher quality cards with lower quality ones instead?



Source: https://www.net54baseball.com/showpo...6&postcount=31

I've heard similar allegations about the replacement of 1989 UD Griffeys as well during MB's tenure at PSA.

Given what we are seeing it is safe to conclude that a person cannot live on a grader's salary alone. I think the present system lends itself to a massive amount of corruption we are seeing today.

[Lonewolf]

I want at least ten stickers, holograms, or flips on my slabs for me please. Oh wait, I don't buy graded cards because of trash like this.

[ThoseBackPages]

nope.

[tonedef2oo8]

Originally Posted by CaptSpaulding

No what is funny is that you claim GAI was passing thousands of fake cards a week. Of all the complaints about them this is the first I have ever heard of that.

If the hobby could only be made up of completely ethical people there would be 6 people left and only two of those would be collectors.

I get that it is personal with you and GAI or Baker. Was not defending what happened with GAI. I happen to think he had a great eye.

So you’re saying GAI didn’t pass thousands of forgeries? Shall I start with the jeter signatures ?

[tonedef2oo8]

Originally Posted by CaptSpaulding

No what is funny is that you claim GAI was passing thousands of fake cards a week. Of all the complaints about them this is the first I have ever heard of that.

If the hobby could only be made up of completely ethical people there would be 6 people left and only two of those would be collectors.

I get that it is personal with you and GAI or Baker. Was not defending what happened with GAI. I happen to think he had a great eye.

Here’s someone talking about how they noticed in 2010 jeter forgeries where being passed at alarming rates. I personally noticed around 2008-2009 .

https://live.autographmagazine.com/p...aphed-baseball

[Prospector234]

How deep do they want to dig the money pit? That's the real question. Authentication of Authentication Services who've already graded a card. Think about that for a second and you'll realize just how illogical this concept is.

[Chicharito]

Originally Posted by Prospector234

How deep do they want to dig the money pit? That's the real question. Authentication of Authentication Services who've already graded a card. Think about that for a second and you'll realize just how illogical this concept is.