ATTN: Probstein $150k Luka Neon Green Prizm Graded SGC 9.5/MBA Gold has Repair Work

[Luni]

Originally Posted by cking

I certify your work

We all win

I've certified this post as a Golden 5 Star Ultra post.

[Raj3sh]

Originally Posted by pokemaniac

"graded millions of trading cards"

Let's assume that's on the low side at 3 million.

30 years is ~11,000 days

This man has personally graded nearly 300 cards a day for 30 years. I think he knows what he's talking about.

its possible, here is a video of him in action.


https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ClearcutTa...rub-mobile.mp4

[pokemaniac]

Originally Posted by Raj3sh

its possible, here is a video of him in action.


https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ClearcutTa...rub-mobile.mp4

And so thorough, too? Dude's a legend.

[PSA2Pac]

Originally Posted by ovrcollect

So, this alone should completely discredit whatever service "Mike Baker" is offering...

or.....


















its now been TRIPLE CERTIFIED AS A MIKE BAKER FUGAZI BRONZE CUBIC ZIRCONIA

re-stamp it with a hologram and send the invoice

[aro13]

Wow! You guys are amazing at what you can uncover. Thanks.

Mike Baker was the head grader at PSA for a number of years but it is conveniently left out of his bio that he formed GAI with Steve Rocchi I believe after leaving PSA. GAI did not last long or do well.

[superdan49]

Update: I was just sent a message by a BO member alerting me that Forever Young Sports Cards is a sizable submitter to SGC and offers "card cleaning" as part of its services:

https://twitter.com/FYSC_cards/statu...59372777267202




SGC is the 3rd grading option for a modern card of this magnitude, unless you were a dealer who specialized in SGC cards or group submissions as FYSC does. This seems to point to FYSC being the submitter of the card for grading, although more information is needed pertaining to chain of ownership.

[pip]

Apparently, it's now time to start black lighting modern cards to check for the micro-recoloring of corners. A high-end UV device -- similar to that used in University chemistry and physics labs -- can be purchased for about $300. I guess that's too much of a cash outlay for some TPGs when grading $100k cards.

[jameshues]

Never mind Mine Baker - is SGC reputable at all? Their slabs look like a joke and I had never heard of them when I was collecting until recently. I’ve only ever trusted PSA and Beckett. Seems to me like SGC might be a bit of a fraud too. What is the general reputation of SGC compared to PSA/BGS? Seems to me like there would never be a good reason to submit to SGC unless you wanted to do something fraudulent or just plan inferior

[stalemonkey30]

This type of detective work makes me start to wonder how widespread this type of thing really is.

At least if I buy flawed cards then I know they aren't altered...

[pip]

Originally Posted by jameshues

Never mind Mine Baker - is SGC reputable at all? Their slabs look like a joke and I had never heard of them when I was collecting until recently. I’ve only ever trusted PSA and Beckett. Seems to me like SGC might be a bit of a fraud too. What is the general reputation of SGC compared to PSA/BGS? Seems to me like there would never be a good reason to submit to SGC unless you wanted to do something fraudulent or just plan inferior

Why would you trust any TPG at this point? All 3 have repeatedly demonstrated they are unworthy of any serious collector's confidence.

[Deadshot]

Originally Posted by jameshues

Never mind Mine Baker - is SGC reputable at all? Their slabs look like a joke and I had never heard of them when I was collecting until recently. I’ve only ever trusted PSA and Beckett. Seems to me like SGC might be a bit of a fraud too. What is the general reputation of SGC compared to PSA/BGS? Seems to me like there would never be a good reason to submit to SGC unless you wanted to do something fraudulent or just plan inferior

SGC has had a pretty good reputation for vintage baseball stuff in the past.

[OhioPlayer]

Who will grade the graders graders?

[PSA2Pac]

Originally Posted by OhioPlayer

Who will grade the graders graders?

Idk but I want to grade the graders that grade the original grade

[CP3toOKC]

MBA is probably trying to do what CAC is doing for PCGS/NGC graded coins

[nxkard]

Originally Posted by CP3toOKC

MBA is probably trying to do what CAC is doing for PCGS/NGC graded coins

I made the same analogy in another thread.... Only difference is that CAC has a sterling reputation

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[BenWallacePC]

Pretty gutsy to try and "clean" a low-serial numbered card of arguably the hottest selling player in the league and hope no one would notice.

If this card was actually graded a BGS 9, would sort of increase in value is really to be had by "cleaning" and crossing it over to SGC and getting the gold participation star that Baker offers? I'd have to imagine a jump of 25% or more, or else, is it really worth the risk of someone finding you have an altered card?

And if the card is trimmed, wouldn't that be noticed by PSA in a crossover service? Or (hopefully) easily noticed by BGS if they have previously slabbed this card before?

[tvax00]

lol "card cleaning" wtf is that suppose to mean...
might be time to write up a story on fysc and relationship with SGC... I liked SGC until seeing this...troublesome

[superdan49]

BUYER BEWARE

Rick Probstein has now sent this card to auction:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2018-19-Pan...D/373362197862

[duron]

#10pointinspection
#yourcarisgoodyourcardisoops

[Bob Ross]

Good gracious Probstein is truly lawless.

[pip]

Originally Posted by Bob Ross

Good gracious Probstein is truly lawless.

That's why they work so well with MBA.

[bdrr]

This isn’t even graded gem mint by SGC. Does anybody even know their position on print lines?

[3124508 on COMC]

Originally Posted by bdrr

This isn’t even graded gem mint by SGC. Does anybody even know their position on print lines?

I don’t think the print line is the primary issue.

[RedMike]

That grading the grader stuff - kind of make me sick. I get everyone just trying to make a penny, but at some point... you are insulting my intelligence.

=)

[Bob824]

Originally Posted by stalemonkey30

This type of detective work makes me start to wonder how widespread this type of thing really is.

At least if I buy flawed cards then I know they aren't altered...

I think this is the second time I've quoted you this week, @stalemonkey.

The saddest part of this situation is that the amazing work done by superdan, 312, and others cannot be applied to non-serial numbered cards. Think of all the recently submitted 1986 Fleer Jordan RCs that have received a high grade. None of them have serial numbers. Cards that have been shown to have "light trimming" have passed muster from PSA, BGS, and now SGC. The BO experts can only catch them because they have a serial number.

Assuming card trimming was NOT rampant in the early days of the hobby, I am interested to find out the oldest/lowest slab number from those grading companies where there is convincing evidence of trimming. Higher than those slab numbers, everything is suspect.

Full disclosure: I almost only collect slabbed cards. I agree that my statements actually call into question cards I own myself. It is terrible, but it's just the nature of the hobby right now.