"MLB reclassifies Negro Leagues as major league"...Card Value Effect?

[3of5-2]

So will the NBA follow this twist on revisionist history and include the Harlem Globetrotters in the NBA HOF as the winningest team percentage wise of all time.

[brothertona]

I mean I kind of agree with him, yes nice symbolic gesture - but doesn't change the fact that the league spent a half century denying opportunities to deserving black players and then using the one outlet they had to play the game they love to further demean their accomplishments.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/...-black-players

[sbfinley]

Originally Posted by 3of5-2

So will the NBA follow this twist on revisionist history and include the Harlem Globetrotters in the NBA HOF as the winningest team percentage wise of all time.

OP: “How will this effect card prices?”

Internet: “Help me pour this gasoline in this dumpster and we shall discuss.”

[Donkaylove]

if i ever see negro league cards, i would buy them. They are rare as they come. Everybody should research Josh Gibson......good stuff. Still rare.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by Donkaylove

if i ever see negro league cards, i would buy them. They are rare as they come. Everybody should research Josh Gibson......good stuff. Still rare.

Buck O'Neil was the man.

[alohasports]

How will you think this will effect Card values? Will we see a huge increase in their prices?

[sportzluvr1]

I remember the old “Cool Papa” Bell cuts sigs from SP Legendary Cuts back in the day. Those cuts were well done for sure that year.

One of the all-time great nicknames.

[djdevon]

Unfortunately, the Negro Leagues were not by definition the Major Leagues. This virtue signaling is out of control. Why didn't any white players attempt to play in the Negro Leagues? Were they allowed?

[JrFinest]

Now if we could just get them to count Hank Aaron's negro league homeruns.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by brothertona

I mean I kind of agree with him, yes nice symbolic gesture - but doesn't change the fact that the league spent a half century denying opportunities to deserving black players and then using the one outlet they had to play the game they love to further demean their accomplishments.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/...-black-players

Just read this. Really good article.

[ottobord]

Originally Posted by djdevon

Unfortunately, the Negro Leagues were not by definition the Major Leagues. This virtue signaling is out of control. Why didn't any white players attempt to play in the Negro Leagues? Were they allowed?

When the Negro Leagues started losing players to the MLB the Negro League owners recruited white players. White players weren't always treated kindly in the league.

I agree with Rman this came too late and you can file it under a woke moment. I have and had an appreciation for the Negro Leagues that isn't going to change based on which way the wind is blowing. Great ball players and they proved it when they got their chance. Sorting out the stats will be challenging just like we do today with the MLB stats we have on the books.

[3of5-2]

You can argue that it was racist that they weren't allowed to play in the Major Leagues because of their skin color, but you can't argue the fact that they didn't play in the Major Leagues. Therefore, the stats accrued during their time in the Negro Leagues should not carry over to the Major Leagues.

[Wiseguy917]

The more they try to bring us together by erasing history, the more they tear us apart.....the more you know 🌈

[monkeymcgee]

How many more agendas can we cram into this one decision? It’s like a clown car of grievances.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by 3of5-2

You can argue that it was racist that they weren't allowed to play in the Major Leagues because of their skin color...

You can argue? There’s no argument, man. The owners and Landis were, in fact, racist, and kept black players out of Major League Baseball because of the color of their skin. No one here on either side of this current debate is questioning that.

[Skipscards]

Originally Posted by djdevon

Unfortunately, the Negro Leagues were not by definition the Major Leagues. This virtue signaling is out of control. Why didn't any white players attempt to play in the Negro Leagues? Were they allowed?

Maybe you don’t understand the nature of the time. There were separate schools, hotels, restaurants, bathrooms, and even water fountains for white people and black people. White players would play exhibition games against the Negro Leagues but no one was clamoring to join the Negro Leagues.

Originally Posted by 3of5-2

You can argue that it was racist that they weren't allowed to play in the Major Leagues because of their skin color, but you can't argue the fact that they didn't play in the Major Leagues. Therefore, the stats accrued during their time in the Negro Leagues should not carry over to the Major Leagues.

There is no argument. It was absolutely racist. Blacks were allowed to play in the majors until Cap Anson (and others) forced the owners to ban them.

But, this movement to include the Negro League stats has been going on for decades. Again, in 1968 the MLB decided to include stats from 6 leagues they deemed “Major”...the American Association, the Union Association, the Federal League, the Players League, the National League, and the American League. As Negro League statistics hadn’t really even been researched, they weren’t even considered.

Then SABR and the Project Score Sheet started getting more complete records for the MLB in the 80s. While that was happening more detailed research had begun on the Negro League box scores that could be found.

By the late-80s, a movement had begun. By 1990 the Negro League Museum opened. In 2006, 17 Negro Leaguers were inducted into the HOF. And over the last 30 years there has been a growing movement to legitimize the statistics.

I get why some people view this as some sort of publicity stunt on the MLB’s part. But it really is overdue and we have been waiting for it for a long time.

[Chrominator]

Originally Posted by Ray27Ray52

Ken Burns Baseball. Inning 5- Shadow Ball.

Brilliance from start to finish. Buck O'neil was a damn national treasure.

I still need to see "Inning 10."

[3of5-2]

Originally Posted by Skipscards

Maybe you don’t understand the nature of the time. There were separate schools, hotels, restaurants, bathrooms, and even water fountains for white people and black people. White players would play exhibition games against the Negro Leagues but no one was clamoring to join the Negro Leagues.



There is no argument. It was absolutely racist. Blacks were allowed to play in the majors until Cap Anson (and others) forced the owners to ban them.

But, this movement to include the Negro League stats has been going on for decades. Again, in 1968 the MLB decided to include stats from 6 leagues they deemed “Major”...the American Association, the Union Association, the Federal League, the Players League, the National League, and the American League. As Negro League statistics hadn’t really even been researched, they weren’t even considered.

Then SABR and the Project Score Sheet started getting more complete records for the MLB in the 80s. While that was happening more detailed research had begun on the Negro League box scores that could be found.

By the late-80s, a movement had begun. By 1990 the Negro League Museum opened. In 2006, 17 Negro Leaguers were inducted into the HOF. And over the last 30 years there has been a growing movement to legitimize the statistics.

I get why some people view this as some sort of publicity stunt on the MLB’s part. But it really is overdue and we have been waiting for it for a long time.

Most never played in the Major Leagues, therefore the stats don't count there.

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by 3of5-2

So will the NBA follow this twist on revisionist history and include the Harlem Globetrotters in the NBA HOF as the winningest team percentage wise of all time.

gimmie a break

[Chris P]

I actually see what Rman is trying to say. I'm in the "better late than never camp" for sure, but it's something that should've been done years ago and it's unfortunate that the majority of the players themselves won't be able to celebrate this milestone and get the proper accolades and acknowledgment they deserve, yet MLB is trying to pat themselves on the back by FINALLY doing something about it, just seems hollow. Some of the others on here's opinions on the other hand...man

[monkeymcgee]

Look, there's no expiration date on doing the right thing. And I promise you if MLB tries to make this out to be a grand gesture that they deserve praise for people will push back with their historical cowardice to do anything about it before now.

But, still, it's the right thing to do and long overdue.

[Skipscards]

Originally Posted by 3of5-2

Most never played in the Major Leagues, therefore the stats don't count there.

Because they were not permitted to play in the Major Leagues. Not because they weren’t good enough. There are plenty of players whose entire “Major” League career consisted of one season in the Union Association or the Federal League. But those players are treated the same as everyone else.

Again, MLB already acknowledged long ago the Negro League competition worthy when they started inducting Negro Leaguers into the Hall of Fame. Not treating their statistics as worthy has always been incongruous.

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by 3of5-2

Most never played in the Major Leagues, therefore the stats don't count there.

So is this the same stance you have for the other leagues that weren't deemed major league until 1968?

[3of5-2]

Originally Posted by Chris P

So is this the same stance you have for the other leagues that weren't deemed major league until 1968?

If you didn't play in MLB, you don't have any stats in MLB. If you served in any branch of the military, you only get credit for the branch you served in. How hard is that to understand.

[3of5-2]

Originally Posted by Skipscards

Because they were not permitted to play in the Major Leagues. Not because they weren’t good enough. There are plenty of players whose entire “Major” League career consisted of one season in the Union Association or the Federal League. But those players are treated the same as everyone else.

Again, MLB already acknowledged long ago the Negro League competition worthy when they started inducting Negro Leaguers into the Hall of Fame. Not treating their statistics as worthy has always been incongruous.

I never said one thing about them being qualified or not, if they didn't play in MLB, they have zero stats in MLB.