2012 Select Silver Print Run

[yaofan11]

Does anyone done the calculations on 2012 Select silvers? I've seen a post on the 2012 Prizm silvers and was curious is 2012 select silvers were similar or not.

[GeechQuest]

180.

Select was similar in that it had a smaller print run than today’s standards, but more than Prizm.

[yaofan11]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

180.

Select was similar in that it had a smaller print run than today’s standards, but more than Prizm.

Thanks for the information

[mc1]

Must read

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1248525

[yaofan11]

Originally Posted by mc1

Must read

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1248525

Yup I read through it twice. Very good information from the all the contributors.

I saw someone asked about the estimated 2012 Select Silver print run but did not see a response.

[MikawlBBC]

As we all know, basketball has a global market and half a billion chinese crazy collectors will help sustain the market. Since things like crypto are going up, partially due to inflation, it gives me hope something tangible like cards will also go up... thoughts?

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by MikawlBBC

As we all know, basketball has a global market and half a billion chinese crazy collectors will help sustain the market. Since things like crypto are going up, partially due to inflation, it gives me hope something tangible like cards will also go up... thoughts?

they have

[Dame]

Originally Posted by yaofan11

Yup I read through it twice. Very good information from the all the contributors.

I saw someone asked about the estimated 2012 Select Silver print run but did not see a response.

Thought 120’ish was the consensus?

[lietuvalabas]

Originally Posted by Dame

Thought 120’ish was the consensus?

ive heard 180 too, so not sure, also this just came in the mail and khaldrogo told me that the silver inserts were apparently print run of 60 which was a pleasant surprise.

kobeprizmmvp by [url=https://www.flickr.com/photos/153647727@N08/]

[yaofan11]

Originally Posted by Dame

Thought 120’ish was the consensus?

I thought that was for Prizm and not Select.

[mc1]

Originally Posted by yaofan11

Yup I read through it twice. Very good information from the all the contributors.

I saw someone asked about the estimated 2012 Select Silver print run but did not see a response.

I thought that was discussed there too. Must have remembered wrong.

[Dame]

Originally Posted by lietuvalabas

ive heard 180 too, so not sure, also this just came in the mail and khaldrogo told me that the silver inserts were apparently print run of 60 which was a pleasant surprise.

kobeprizmmvp by [url=https://www.flickr.com/photos/153647727@N08/]

60 might be too low. There’s about a total of 80 graded from both PSA and BGS. There’s still ungraded raws out there plus unopened boxes/cases.

But yeah, pretty low print run on 2012 Silver Prizms thats why key players from this set are going for a pretty penny (Kobe, Lebron, Curry) and will only go up and be desirable being its the 1st issued Prizms.

[Dame]

Originally Posted by yaofan11

I thought that was for Prizm and not Select.

Correct, sorry to hi jack the thread.

Ignore that post.

[lietuvalabas]

Originally Posted by Dame

60 might be too low. There’s about a total of 80 graded from both PSA and BGS. There’s still ungraded raws out there plus unopened boxes/cases.

But yeah, pretty low print run on 2012 Silver Prizms thats why key players from this set are going for a pretty penny (Kobe, Lebron, Curry) and will only go up and be desirable being its the 1st issued Prizms.

ah damn thats a bummer, oh well, still happy i grabbed it.

[htn315]

Select Silver print run is ~ 120. Each box had 4 autos, 4 base parallels and 6 inserts. All autos in set were serial numbered so you can estimate total number of boxes based on total print run of all autos.
Total Autos 87,149
21787.25 boxes
145.25 parallels of each base, gold and black replaced the silver in the pack ~119 of each

[yaofan11]

Originally Posted by lietuvalabas

ive heard 180 too, so not sure, also this just came in the mail and khaldrogo told me that the silver inserts were apparently print run of 60 which was a pleasant surprise.

kobeprizmmvp by [url=https://www.flickr.com/photos/153647727@N08/]

Awesome Kobe! Nice pick up

[yaofan11]

Originally Posted by htn315

Select Silver print run is ~ 120. Each box had 4 autos, 4 base parallels and 6 inserts. All autos in set were serial numbered so you can estimate total number of boxes based on total print run of all autos.
Total Autos 87,149
21787.25 boxes
145.25 parallels of each base, gold and black replaced the silver in the pack ~119 of each

I appreciate the break down. PR is much lower than I had initially thought. Thanks

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by htn315

Select Silver print run is ~ 120. Each box had 4 autos, 4 base parallels and 6 inserts. All autos in set were serial numbered so you can estimate total number of boxes based on total print run of all autos.
Total Autos 87,149
21787.25 boxes
145.25 parallels of each base, gold and black replaced the silver in the pack ~119 of each

You get ~3 silvers a box on average.

21787.25 (boxes you configured) x 3 = 65,361.75 total silvers.

The checklist is only 150 players.

65,361.75 total silvers / checklist of 150 = 435 total per player.

If there was a print run of 120, you’d have boxes that didn’t have ANY silvers.

120 (estimated silvers) x 150 (the checklist) = 18,000 boxes.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...13+Select+Case

[htn315]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

You get ~3 silvers a box on average.

21787.25 (boxes you configured) x 3 = 65,361.75 total silvers.

The checklist is only 150 players.

65,361.75 total silvers / checklist of 150 = 435 total per player.

If there was a print run of 120, you’d have boxes that didn’t have ANY silvers.

120 (estimated silvers) x 150 (the checklist) = 18,000 boxes.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...13+Select+Case

I forgot to multiple the number of boxes by 4 to get the number of total parallel's, so it's actually 581 total parallels per card, 25 gold 1 black which leaves 555 Silvers. The box breakdown was 4 silvers per box except when you pulled a gold or black which replaced the silver. The insert and auto parallels replaced the insert or auto within the box so you don't need to factor those into the silver print run.

[Filthy]

12-13 Select singles seem to still lag in prices vs. it’s Prizm counterpart. Hope to see these increase overtime.

[lietuvalabas]

Originally Posted by Dame

60 might be too low. There’s about a total of 80 graded from both PSA and BGS. There’s still ungraded raws out there plus unopened boxes/cases.

But yeah, pretty low print run on 2012 Silver Prizms thats why key players from this set are going for a pretty penny (Kobe, Lebron, Curry) and will only go up and be desirable being its the 1st issued Prizms.

ok well i just noticed the title of this thread was for select, my bad

but your info did make me curious, someone brought it to my attention via PM this morning. I think you may have been looking at the regular base version of this card, i see 15 silvers graded by BGS and 7 by PSA of the kobe MVP prizm silver.

[Earvin32]

Originally Posted by htn315

I forgot to multiple the number of boxes by 4 to get the number of total parallel's, so it's actually 581 total parallels per card, 25 gold 1 black which leaves 555 Silvers. The box breakdown was 4 silvers per box except when you pulled a gold or black which replaced the silver. The insert and auto parallels replaced the insert or auto within the box so you don't need to factor those into the silver print run.

Base golds were /10. Base silvers were unnumbered and insert silvers were /25. There should be 11 golds/black of each base plus the silvers. Insert golds were /10, silvers /25, black was 1/1. Not all inserts had golds or blacks: the all star and hall of flame selection inserts were only /25. No golds or blacks. The other inserts that were only /25 for silvers were the in flight, and white hot (rookie and veteran).


The hot stars had a silver, gold and black for both rookies and veterans. The autos had all 3 (silver, gold and black). The rookie jersey autos had silver /99-199, gold /10 and black /1. Star jersey autos cards had a silver with a regular jersey /15-99, prime /5 and gold /10.

I think the jersey cards autos could mess up the silver count in each box since they have a wide range of amounts (15-199 of each card)

The silvers in this brand were not outstanding in 2012. They did not radiate color as well as more current releases. I remember a lot of threads asking "Is this a silver or a base card?" They were harder to tell.

[hobbytime]

I've noticed it's a wide gap between the two products.

For example, Anfernee Hardaway:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-13-Pan...sAAOSwpd9f8Mr2

Versus

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-13-Pan...8AAOSwP5tf7lUA

Considering print runs, it's crazy the gap in price.