Vladimir Guerrero, Jr.

[Bretsky]

Originally Posted by rngrdanny22

I really wish these would get more love. It's the closest thing we have to an RPA (outside of Dynasty).

100% agree with you. Plus these are game used and there are not multiple picture variations of these unlike Dynasty. I'm guessing they will get their due soon as people know about them especially the 2019 version.

[SGC300ier]

NNO 10s are moving into the $220 area. 9's are in the $50's with shipping and tax.



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[LVDan]

Originally Posted by Bretsky

100% agree with you. Plus these are game used and there are not multiple picture variations of these unlike Dynasty. I'm guessing they will get their due soon as people know about them especially the 2019 version.

The 2019’s are beauties, they aren’t near as nice this year(2020)IMO. Not to mention the lottery level pack odds. What a card, what a bargain!


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[Bretsky]

Originally Posted by LVDan

The 2019’s are beauties, they aren’t near as nice this year(2020)IMO. Not to mention the lottery level pack odds. What a card, what a bargain!


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Thank you and completely agree about 2020 not holding a candle to 2019. Hopefully 2021 will go back to something similar to 2019.

[The Nasty Nati]

[QUOTE=SGC300ier;16898862]NNO 10s are moving into the $220 area. 9's are in the $50's with shipping and tax.

Crazy. There are 3,582 PSA 10s out of 6,915 graded. Definitely not a short printed card as some believe.

For comparison, Bellinger's 2017 Topps Update #US50 PSA 10s are going for the same price and it has a pop of 2,349 out of 5,146 graded.

Who you going to go with? A player with a WS and MVP already under his belt, or a player who's belt size keeps yo-yoing and he's just 21.

[rngrdanny22]

Originally Posted by The Nasty Nati

Crazy. There are 3,582 PSA 10s out of 6,915 graded. Definitely not a short printed card as some believe.

For comparison, Bellinger's 2017 Topps Update #US50 PSA 10s are going for the same price and it has a pop of 2,349 out of 5,146 graded.

Who you going to go with? A player with a WS and MVP already under his belt, or a player who's belt size keeps yo-yoing and he's just 21.

Some Grade-A analysis right here.

The NNO is definitely a short print. As in, it was not printed as much as the other cards in Series 2. That's a fact that's undeniable.

If you're going to pump Belli, go to the Belli thread.

Oh, and Vladdy's belt-sze yo-yo's about as much as Belli's batting average.

[Yaga]

Wasn't his Finest 2019 RC a short printed card as well? I know there are no parallels for it, but I didn't follow Finest that closely

[SupermanBrandon]

A lot of "collectors" got burnt by Belli a couple of seasons ago. I also think it hurts that he is no longer the star of the team. It's really hard to be hobby great, when you aren't the hobby star of the team. Betts is well ahead of him. And you could make a case that Seager is a better player than Belli (right now).

Re: NNOs. They are definitely short printed when compared to the print runs of S2 base. But no, it's not the same SP as Bat Down.

[dream34]

[QUOTE=The Nasty Nati;16898991]

Originally Posted by SGC300ier

NNO 10s are moving into the $220 area. 9's are in the $50's with shipping and tax.

Crazy. There are 3,582 PSA 10s out of 6,915 graded. Definitely not a short printed card as some believe.

For comparison, Bellinger's 2017 Topps Update #US50 PSA 10s are going for the same price and it has a pop of 2,349 out of 5,146 graded.

Who you going to go with? A player with a WS and MVP already under his belt, or a player who's belt size keeps yo-yoing and he's just 21.

I'm a HUGE Bellinger fan, but honestly I'm taking Vlad. The upside is just too much with him. 80 Power or 80 Hit Tool Grades are rarely ever given to any player. Some guys (who do this as a profession) gave Vlad both. For example Wander Franco received 80 Hit/60 Power Grades from Baseball America this year. Spencer Torkelson received 60 Hit/80 Power Grades. They were the only 2 players in the top 100 to receive either 80 Hit or Power Tools.

If Vlad comes through, his apex will look something very very special.

[Triple B]

Originally Posted by rngrdanny22

Oh, and Vladdy's belt-sze yo-yo's about as much as Belli's batting average.

Ouch.

2018 Update Acuna Bat Up has almost 17,000 cards that are PSA 10 and is still a $100 card. Sounds like a new collector still trying to figure his way.

[stinkus]

[QUOTE=The Nasty Nati;16898991]

Originally Posted by SGC300ier

NNO 10s are moving into the $220 area. 9's are in the $50's with shipping and tax.

Crazy. There are 3,582 PSA 10s out of 6,915 graded. Definitely not a short printed card as some believe.

For comparison, Bellinger's 2017 Topps Update #US50 PSA 10s are going for the same price and it has a pop of 2,349 out of 5,146 graded.

Who you going to go with? A player with a WS and MVP already under his belt, or a player who's belt size keeps yo-yoing and he's just 21.

So you want the guy who’s best years are behind him versus the guy who got in the best shape of his life and best years are most likely ahead of him?

Edit: i own a small unspectacular stash of Belli and a much better stash of Belly.

[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by Yaga

Wasn't his Finest 2019 RC a short printed card as well? I know there are no parallels for it, but I didn't follow Finest that closely

I’ve never seen a suggestion that’s it’s an SP. I think it’s like the Stadium Club, in that it’s a normal-production base without parallels. (Oh, I wish the Stadium had parallels...)


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[Reverend Ghost]

Originally Posted by eye4talent

I’ve never seen a suggestion that’s it’s an SP. I think it’s like the Stadium Club, in that it’s a normal-production base without parallels. (Oh, I wish the Stadium had parallels...)


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Idk, I took the Jays in several cases of both products and definitely hit half the Vlads (sometimes less) than I did of the others in those products. I think they were likely short printed as I also watched several other break recaps. They aren’t as desirable as many of his other RC so I don’t know that it’ll matter much long term


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[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by rngrdanny22

Some Grade-A analysis right here.

The NNO is definitely a short print. As in, it was not printed as much as the other cards in Series 2. That's a fact that's undeniable.

If you're going to pump Belli, go to the Belli thread.

Oh, and Vladdy's belt-sze yo-yo's about as much as Belli's batting average.

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[eye4talent]

[QUOTE=The Nasty Nati;16898991]

Originally Posted by SGC300ier

NNO 10s are moving into the $220 area. 9's are in the $50's with shipping and tax.

Crazy. There are 3,582 PSA 10s out of 6,915 graded. Definitely not a short printed card as some believe.

For comparison, Bellinger's 2017 Topps Update #US50 PSA 10s are going for the same price and it has a pop of 2,349 out of 5,146 graded.

Who you going to go with? A player with a WS and MVP already under his belt, or a player who's belt size keeps yo-yoing and he's just 21.

I’m not going to get into the player debate. I’ll just reiterate that the NNO is definitely an SP. It’s not as short-printed as, say, an SP photo variation, or even the 2018 series 2 Acuna and Gleyber. But there are less of them than any of the numbered cards in the set. And that’s before factoring in that the NNO isn’t in factory sets.


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[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by Reverend Ghost

Idk, I took the Jays in several cases of both products and definitely hit half the Vlads (sometimes less) than I did of the others in those products. I think they were likely short printed as I also watched several other break recaps. They aren’t as desirable as many of his other RC so I don’t know that it’ll matter much long term


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Well, here you go, from Beckett preview of 2019 Finest...





... It’s weird that it’s not listed as an SP anywhere, but is acknowledged by Beckett as being “less common.”


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[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by The Nasty Nati

So you want the guy who’s best years are behind him versus the guy who got in the best shape of his life and best years are most likely ahead of him?

Edit: i own a small unspectacular stash of Belli and a much better stash of Belly.

You know that Cody Bellinger is just 25, right?

Who you going to go with? A player with a WS and MVP already under his belt, or a player who's belt size keeps yo-yoing and he's just 21.

But to answer this question, I'm buying both.

[Yaga]

Originally Posted by eye4talent

Well, here you go, from Beckett preview of 2019 Finest...





... It’s weird that it’s not listed as an SP anywhere, but is acknowledged by Beckett as being “less common.”


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Oh ok cool, that's interesting. I took a look back at some 2019 Finest case breaks and a few people say they got 1 Vlad per case. I found one where they got 2 per case.

Taking a super quick look... 8 boxes per case, 12 packs, 5 per pack... 480 cards in a case. 101 in the set.

1 per case means... it's almost 1/5 of the production of a regular base? 2 per case means about 1/2.5 of the regular base. It could be somewhere in between?

[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by Yaga

Oh ok cool, that's interesting. I took a look back at some 2019 Finest case breaks and a few people say they got 1 Vlad per case. I found one where they got 2 per case.

Taking a super quick look... 8 boxes per case, 12 packs, 5 per pack... 480 cards in a case. 101 in the set.

1 per case means... it's almost 1/5 of the production of a regular base? 2 per case means about 1/2.5 of the regular base. It could be somewhere in between?

That would be a significant short print. It’s still Finest, but there’s a history of the secondary sets having some hot SP’s. The Archives ‘12 Harper and ‘15 Bryant come to mind.


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[SGC300ier]

Originally Posted by eye4talent

That would be a significant short print. It’s still Finest, but there’s a history of the secondary sets having some hot SP’s. The Archives ‘12 Harper and ‘15 Bryant come to mind.


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I pulled a Vlad from the one box I opened of '19 Finest. It sold for $6 maybe.

Finest is terrible for resale. Sad, because they really are sharp cards.

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[Yaga]

Originally Posted by eye4talent

That would be a significant short print. It’s still Finest, but there’s a history of the secondary sets having some hot SP’s. The Archives ‘12 Harper and ‘15 Bryant come to mind.


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Ya.... it might be one of those sneaky sleepers that picks up down the road. Time will tell!

[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by SGC300ier

I pulled a Vlad from the one box I opened of '19 Finest. It sold for $6 maybe.

Finest is terrible for resale. Sad, because they really are sharp cards.

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It’s funny to say this, as it makes me sound old... I remember when Finest was all the rage 25 years ago. Then Topps Chrome happened, and Finest (along with Bowman’s Best) took a backseat. And yet, they’re still around...and still in the backseat.


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[Yaga]

Originally Posted by eye4talent

It’s funny to say this, as it makes me sound old... I remember when Finest was all the rage 25 years ago. Then Topps Chrome happened, and Finest (along with Bowman’s Best) took a backseat. And yet, they’re still around...and still in the backseat.


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I'm a sucker for Finest... products like Finest, Fire and Platinum, nobody loves them except me lol. They offer great cheap ways to add nice low numbered cards to my collection, and I actually like the way they look.

[SGC300ier]

Originally Posted by Yaga

I'm a sucker for Finest... products like Finest, Fire and Platinum, nobody loves them except me lol. They offer great cheap ways to add nice low numbered cards to my collection, and I actually like the way they look.

I love Platinum and if Tapatalk would let me post pics grrrrrr I'd show off my favorite.

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[LittleJimmies]

Doesn't look like Vlad is short-printed (at least not significantly) based on the PSA pop reports. I looked at the big RC from 2019 and Vlad, Tatis, and Eloy all have a Finest population right at 10% of the population of Chrome. The pop report for his Finest should be much lower if he were SP.