What happened with Lebron James Topps Chrome RCs?

[Birdanski]

I bought a topps 221 psa 10 for $200 two years ago...and I see them now going for $7-$8k. dang that's a lot of money to me...haha...I am not a big investory, etc Any advice on whether to take the money and run, or does this card have room to run? Im guessing it will go up long term, but its hard to turn down selling at those prices when that same card was going for $2500 this fall.

[shootit]

Originally Posted by Birdanski

I bought a topps 221 psa 10 for $200 two years ago...and I see them now going for $7-$8k. dang that's a lot of money to me...haha...I am not a big investory, etc Any advice on whether to take the money and run, or does this card have room to run? Im guessing it will go up long term, but its hard to turn down selling at those prices when that same card was going for $2500 this fall.

people are smartening up. getting out of overproduced lebron base and young guys that might not be as close to what prices say they might be in the future. money is pouring into the top 3 rn (deservedly) and the 221 gets the favor of being TC's little brother

so its hard to predict, pop says yeah it should drop as more people sell at these high prices but who knows how much more $$$ can be dumped into lebrons in general. also u run the risk if u dont sell, in people getting smarter and start to shift money into lower pop lebron RC

[Birdanski]

Originally Posted by shootit

people are smartening up. getting out of overproduced lebron base and young guys that might not be as close to what prices say they might be in the future. money is pouring into the top 3 rn (deservedly) and the 221 gets the favor of being TC's little brother

so its hard to predict, pop says yeah it should drop as more people sell at these high prices but who knows how much more $$$ can be dumped into lebrons in general. also u run the risk if u dont sell, in people getting smarter and start to shift money into lower pop lebron RC

Really appreciate the insight! Yea, if it goes much higher I may have to sell....that's a lot of money on my budget

[ScooterT312]

Still waiting for Lebrons finest to stop being slept on. They should be more popular with their print run /999. To me 03-04 finest is an iconic and cool looking set. But maybe it’ll never get as popular as I think it should be.

[herbc]

Originally Posted by ScooterT312

Still waiting for Lebrons finest to stop being slept on. They should be more popular with their print run /999. To me 03-04 finest is an iconic and cool looking set. But maybe it’ll never get as popular as I think it should be.

2003-04 Finest was the last product released that season. I picked up the last 3 box mini a dealer had at the close of a card show. He gave me a discount on the box, and said good luck, hope you pull a Lebron. I Pulled what I like to call, Lebron's last true Rookie. #999/999

[sebreg]

Originally Posted by herbc

2003-04 Finest was the last product released that season. I picked up the last 3 box mini a dealer had at the close of a card show. He gave me a discount on the box, and said good luck, hope you pull a Lebron. I Pulled what I like to call, Lebron's last true Rookie. #999/999

Epic card!

Maybe Finest never achieves the same level iconic stature as the TC, but seems to be gaining tons of steam. The TC/Finest have a bit of a Prizm vs Select dynamic. Select being rarer and better looking (imo) but not quite as premium'd as its Prizm counterpart.

[miscus555]

Originally Posted by MikawlBBC

I have some big cards like this that I'm nervous about too...especially since grading companies seem to scrutinize big cards.

exactly!

[miscus555]

Originally Posted by KingLBJMJ

Ah. That's the gamble you pay. Although cross grade might work. Put a min mark of 10. I heard SGC have better chance of getting good grades

yeah i know man...yeah maybe the minimum will work but that baby would be out in the wild. i didn't hear that SGC have a good chance on a crossover so that's promising

[miscus555]

Originally Posted by colbycolbycolby

I bought an SGC 98 in 2009 for 340 bucks. I too was afraid to send it to PSA or BGS. The way I see it, SGC is a respectable third. Their market share is growing by the day (as Beckett starts to slide). A 10 is a 10. Period. I understand the difference in 10 values BGS->PSA->SGC. But for me, I had to ditch the old, fading labels and bet on SGC's future. The SGC is the best slab today too. I don't care what anyone says. The black frame makes cards pop.

But yeah. SGC is gaining. A 10 is a 10. I'd rather have an SGC 10 than a PSA 9. New labels and black fame is tits. Mine is the only 10. Pop 1. Come join me big guy.

mine is the older label 98

i think people are PSA crazy because they think they will end up being the stand alone grading company as the others end up going out of business. your right that a collector should buy the card not the slab but for today's collector's the slab it's in is part of the investment unfortunately. We've all seen what happened to older grading companies that don't exist anymore. you sell a card in one of those slabs, you may as well crack it and sell it raw.
CGC will be brand new but will need time to gain market share if they are good and can match what PSA has gained all these years.

[baller232019]

Originally Posted by sebreg

Epic card!

Maybe Finest never achieves the same level iconic stature as the TC, but seems to be gaining tons of steam. The TC/Finest have a bit of a Prizm vs Select dynamic. Select being rarer and better looking (imo) but not quite as premium'd as its Prizm counterpart.

From past sales, it could well be on par. Bgs 8.5 close to exact subgrades sold for the same amount.

Psa 9 finest ref sold 25k when a TC ref was selling for 20k.

Collectors prefer finest over the TC due to rarity and eye appeal. Only 17 psa 9 finest refractors and 8 psa 10, compared to how many of TC ref?! One day it could very well be priced more.... like it has in the past...

[baller232019]

Sgc will never take over bgs or psa due to the simple fact too many high end collectors have their slabs in either psa or bgs, why would all these high end collectors ruin the value of their cards?

Sgc does not have the backing of the likes of nat turner and what not....

[colbycolbycolby]

Originally Posted by baller232019

Sgc will never take over bgs or psa due to the simple fact too many high end collectors have their slabs in either psa or bgs, why would all these high end collectors ruin the value of their cards?

Sgc does not have the backing of the likes of nat turner and what not....

I'm not saying SGC will overtake BGS. I'm simply saying that SGC is a very solid third. And has been for decades now. None of these new grading companies will take hold. I think an SGC 10 is better to have than a PSA or BGS 9. I say this because I believe SGC has staying power. An SGC also inspires hope for a BGS 9.5 or PSA 10. And that is worth something too. A PSA 9 is a PSA 9. This card could be a PSA 10 though. Its 50/50 left right. A tad off vertically and surface/corners/edges have been slabbed since 2004.

[jw8]

Originally Posted by colbycolbycolby

I'm not saying SGC will overtake BGS. I'm simply saying that SGC is a very solid third. And has been for decades now. None of these new grading companies will take hold. I think an SGC 10 is better to have than a PSA or BGS 9. I say this because I believe SGC has staying power. An SGC also inspires hope for a BGS 9.5 or PSA 10. And that is worth something too. A PSA 9 is a PSA 9. This card could be a PSA 10 though. Its 50/50 left right. A tad off vertically and surface/corners/edges have been slabbed since 2004.

I'd take a psa 9 over sgc 10 any day of the week.

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[shakobe]

Originally Posted by jw8

I'd take a psa 9 over sgc 10 any day of the week.

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Same. SGC is a distant third

[miscus555]

I agree but I think sgc is a much better company than BGS. I think BGS has lost a lot during the pandemic and the only thing they got over the other 2 is the sub grades.

Don’t count out CGC when they get established. Psa would need a scandal to get knocked off but collect comics and have used cgc for grading and they definitely know what they are doing. They have also stayed firmly ahead of all and any competitors with class and professionalism. Like I said, my take years for them to get a foothold on the action for sports card grading but if they rise, another company will be done IMO

[pcptrade]

Originally Posted by miscus555

I agree but I think sgc is a much better company than BGS. I think BGS has lost a lot during the pandemic and the only thing they got over the other 2 is the sub grades.

Don’t count out CGC when they get established. Psa would need a scandal to get knocked off but collect comics and have used cgc for grading and they definitely know what they are doing. They have also stayed firmly ahead of all and any competitors with class and professionalism. Like I said, my take years for them to get a foothold on the action for sports card grading but if they rise, another company will be done IMO

I sold/traded a Mahomes 2017 Championship Ticket Auto BGS 8.5 and a Lebron 2003 Exquisite Patches Auto/100 BGS 8.5 back in March to someone and they both ended up in SGC 9 slabs. The Mahomes Champ ticket BGS 8.5 was rejected by Beckett twice for a bump in grade to BGS 9. There is a reason SGC sells for less than PSA and BGS in similar grades.

[colbycolbycolby]

Originally Posted by pcptrade

I sold/traded a Mahomes 2017 Championship Ticket Auto BGS 8.5 and a Lebron 2003 Exquisite Patches Auto/100 BGS 8.5 back in March to someone and they both ended up in SGC 9 slabs. The Mahomes Champ ticket BGS 8.5 was rejected by Beckett twice for a bump in grade to BGS 9. There is a reason SGC sells for less than PSA and BGS in similar grades.

9s are diff than 10s. SGC is not GMA, GAI, CGC, or whatever else. An SGC 10 can inspire hope of a BGS 9.5 or PSA 10. An SGC 9 does not. In 20 years, when there's five million SGC slabs, this 10 will have closed the gap a bit.

[MikawlBBC]

Originally Posted by colbycolbycolby

9s are diff than 10s. SGC is not GMA, GAI, CGC, or whatever else. An SGC 10 can inspire hope of a BGS 9.5 or PSA 10. An SGC 9 does not. In 20 years, when there's five million SGC slabs, this 10 will have closed the gap a bit.

Are you speaking from personal experience of trying to resubmit?

[jw8]

Originally Posted by colbycolbycolby

9s are diff than 10s. SGC is not GMA, GAI, CGC, or whatever else. An SGC 10 can inspire hope of a BGS 9.5 or PSA 10. An SGC 9 does not. In 20 years, when there's five million SGC slabs, this 10 will have closed the gap a bit.

I don't know what your agenda is but just stop. SGC will not ever come close to BGS or PSA 10 or 9.5 values. I would never buy an SGC slab, I would immediately crack it and resubmit, even if it was a 10, SGC has no collector appeal.

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[KhalDrogo]

If you are concerned with making money, you should buy what other people like. If you’re not concerned with making money, you should collect raw cards or grade with the company that has the holder you like the most. Very easy concepts.

SGC had their opportunity this summer to reinvent themselves. They failed. Time to move on.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by jw8

I don't know what your agenda is but just stop. SGC will not ever come close to BGS or PSA 10 or 9.5 values. I would never buy an SGC slab, I would immediately crack it and resubmit, even if it was a 10, SGC has no collector appeal.

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SGC is solid for Prewar cards. I would never use them for modern cards.

[CC_123]

I remember people laughed at me when I said that PSA 9 Topps Chrome could reach over $1k. Obviously I didn't suspect they would reach 10k though.

[MikawlBBC]

Originally Posted by CC_123

I remember people laughed at me when I said that PSA 9 Topps Chrome could reach over $1k. Obviously I didn't suspect they would reach 10k though.

Good prediction, did you follow your gut and load up?

[aaronking23]

What is everyones opinion on his other serial numbered rcs (avant, mystique, showcase, pristine etc...)

I know the chrome base 111 and the refractor/parallels and his rc autos are the standard but it seems these will be the next to really make a move

a lot of those can be had for around 1k, I know lebron has a ton of rookies but then again it is lebron

[MikawlBBC]

Originally Posted by aaronking23

What is everyones opinion on his other serial numbered rcs (avant, mystique, showcase, pristine etc...)

I know the chrome base 111 and the refractor/parallels and his rc autos are the standard but it seems these will be the next to really make a move

a lot of those can be had for around 1k, I know lebron has a ton of rookies but then again it is lebron

I haven't researched a ton on other serial numbered rookies but if I was in the market, I would target a serial numbered one as I think that helps protect it more during a market downturn.