First Buzz: 2021 Topps Series 1 baseball cards + SPs

[joe73]

Originally Posted by Trueblue

If you look at historical Topps PRs and interviews, they do not suddenly double production. They try to gradually ramp by 10-15% (maybe 20%?) increments per year. They may seem like idiots from the .com website but the higher ups that makes these macro decisions are not stupid.

The 2021 prices are insane. It doesn't seem very smart to allow flippers to make twice as much per box or case than Topps itself is making. Either we're in a major, major sports card bubble or the Topps executives are dropping the ball.

[JWBlue]

Are the price increases all profit for the stores selling cases or does Topps increase their own price to the distributors?

[Neo]

Originally Posted by joe73

The 2021 prices are insane. It doesn't seem very smart to allow flippers to make twice as much per box or case than Topps itself is making. Either we're in a major, major sports card bubble or the Topps executives are dropping the ball.

[kyle1707]

Originally Posted by JWBlue

Are the price increases all profit for the stores selling cases or does Topps increase their own price to the distributors?

My hobby box cost is 57 and jumbo cost is 93

That’s slightly above direct

I’m lucky. But I used to be able to get 5 cases of every thing

[glassofwater]

How do you think retail odds will be. I don’t know if it’s me but series 2, and update were pure garbage golds foil and color non existence. Compared to series 1 were I got ton of color and autos.

[rwperu34]

Originally Posted by ddearing

Randy Arozarena has left the chat.

Wasn't even invited at release.

[rwperu34]

Originally Posted by JWBlue

Is it in Topps best interest to increase production run? Is there any downside to doing so?

Topps best interest is to print as much as they can without printing so much that prices start to fall.

They have increased production quite a bit over the last few years. That may have been derailed a little bit in 2020 and early 2021, but I expect by 2022 they will be back to the trend line of steadily increasing production.

[Chicosbailbonds]

Originally Posted by JWBlue

Is it in Topps best interest to increase production run? Is there any downside to doing so?

What is the upside for Topps when only a few can buy cards because they are cleaned out within 10 minutes at the retail level? That is lost revenue for them.

[Stech36]

Originally Posted by glassofwater

How do you think retail odds will be. I don’t know if it’s me but series 2, and update were pure garbage golds foil and color non existence. Compared to series 1 were I got ton of color and autos.

I disagree with most, Long term, you want scarcity. I would rather see Topps decrease production and increase pricing

[joe73]

Originally Posted by Stech36

I disagree with most, Long term, you want scarcity. I would rather see Topps decrease production and increase pricing

You've got to be kidding. That's a recipe for having no collector base at all.

How many of us would be here if we couldn't buy packs when we were younger?

[Rage]

Originally Posted by joe73

You've got to be kidding. That's a recipe for having no collector base at all.

How many of us would be here if we couldn't buy packs when we were younger?

Times change.

In 20 years:

"How many of us would be here if we couldn't watch breakers on YouTube when we were younger?..."

[cg5]

Any idea if we may see any product surface live before Wednesday?

[joe73]

Originally Posted by Rage

Times change.

In 20 years:

"How many of us would be here if we couldn't watch breakers on YouTube when we were younger?..."

Times don't change that much. The baseball card hobby is doomed if kids can't collect cards, just like baseball is doomed if kids stop playing it.

Anyone who lets their kids get hooked on watching "breakers" is a bad parent. You'd be better off teaching them how to play poker.

[babybull]

Originally Posted by Chicosbailbonds

What is the upside for Topps when only a few can buy cards because they are cleaned out within 10 minutes at the retail level? That is lost revenue for them.

How so? Everything they pit out is sold.

[rngrdanny22]

Originally Posted by joe73

Times don't change that much. The baseball card hobby is doomed if kids can't collect cards, just like baseball is doomed if kids stop playing it.

Anyone who lets their kids get hooked on watching "breakers" is a bad parent. You'd be better off teaching them how to play poker.

Good ole Joe. Always looking out for the kids.

Dude can't go into any thread without mentioning bubbles, prices, and kids not being in the hobby.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by rngrdanny22

Good ole Joe. Always looking out for the kids.

Dude can't go into any thread without mentioning bubbles, prices, and kids not being in the hobby.

joe is the hero the hobby needs!

[Hollywood42]

Me waiting for Series 2/Kirilloff

[rngrdanny22]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

joe is the hero the hobby needs!

He's just looking out for us!

[Stech36]

Originally Posted by joe73

You've got to be kidding. That's a recipe for having no collector base at all.

How many of us would be here if we couldn't buy packs when we were younger?

You misunderstand. Topps should increase blasters to $30... a lot easier for kids to find on the shelves, because they’re no longer flying off of them. Topps is selling series 1 hobby for about $50 and the distributors, online stores, and LCS are making $100 profit, how about Topps sells them for $75 and profit now is only $75 for these resellers..

Even if we have to cover that extra $25, with a lower production there will be more value per box..

If the market is flooded with base, we’re just going to see the return of the 90’s crash. Panini is doing their best to make sure that happens. Topps at least seems to have some restraint.

[Stech36]

Originally Posted by joe73

Times don't change that much. The baseball card hobby is doomed if kids can't collect cards, just like baseball is doomed if kids stop playing it.

Anyone who lets their kids get hooked on watching "breakers" is a bad parent. You'd be better off teaching them how to play poker.

I help out at a shop. There are so many more kids in the hobby now compared to a year ago, it’s crazy.

[Chicosbailbonds]

Originally Posted by babybull

How so? Everything they pit out is sold.

Then they need to make more, they capped their sales by running out early,


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[DaRitz]

Originally Posted by Stech36

I disagree with most, Long term, you want scarcity. I would rather see Topps decrease production and increase pricing

I think they should print print print until there are always cards on the shelves. Take numbered stuff out of retail so there is no limit to the printing.

Originally Posted by Stech36

If the market is flooded with base, we’re just going to see the return of the 90’s crash. Panini is doing their best to make sure that happens. Topps at least seems to have some restraint.

The 90's was a lot of fun!!! I enjoyed it immensely and could always find product on the shelves!

They have roughly 300 more limited releases throughout the year. Flagship should be the one for set collectors and those who enjoy the hobby. Make it fun and available.

If it wasn't for Montgomery Club, I'd be ordering boxes of 90 Donruss to rip with my boys. It's more fun when they know some players, though.

Print print print!

[Stech36]

Originally Posted by DaRitz

I think they should print print print until there are always cards on the shelves. Take numbered stuff out of retail so there is no limit to the printing.



The 90's was a lot of fun!!! I enjoyed it immensely and could always find product on the shelves!

They have roughly 300 more limited releases throughout the year. Flagship should be the one for set collectors and those who enjoy the hobby. Make it fun and available.

If it wasn't for Montgomery Club, I'd be ordering boxes of 90 Donruss to rip with my boys. It's more fun when they know some players, though.

Print print print!

From a pure collectors standpoint I agree

[joe73]

Originally Posted by DaRitz

I think they should print print print until there are always cards on the shelves. Take numbered stuff out of retail so there is no limit to the printing.



The 90's was a lot of fun!!! I enjoyed it immensely and could always find product on the shelves!

They have roughly 300 more limited releases throughout the year. Flagship should be the one for set collectors and those who enjoy the hobby. Make it fun and available.

If it wasn't for Montgomery Club, I'd be ordering boxes of 90 Donruss to rip with my boys. It's more fun when they know some players, though.

Print print print!

Exactly right. There's a middle ground between papering the world with cards like 30 years ago and having almost no cards available to the average non-flipper in stores.

[Stech36]

Originally Posted by joe73

Exactly right. There's a middle ground between papering the world with cards like 30 years ago and having almost no cards available to the average non-flipper in stores.

My thought is still raise price, not increase production.

It’s how you better avoid a crash