Topps Project 2020 is the worst product since 1991 Fleer - Page 2839

1000 Sport Zonk · 03-02-2021, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Kek5270

Interesting mail day. A/P on the right, regular on the left. Just cant tell if my regular is o/c...or is it the A/P...both??

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Your AP is off center (as much as a card designed to be off-center can be off center at least). The artwork for the AP cards is scaled down in size with the frame in mind. Easiest comparison is to look at the size of the letters in his name plate vs. the non-AP name plate.

Farmkid · 03-02-2021, 02:23 PM

There's a good chance this was discussed in the past here, but in light of recent pricing changes, I thought I would ask.

What are people's thoughts on keeping these P2020 and P70 in thier original Topps sealed one-touches vs getting them slabbed in PSA?

As a fan of PSA graded cards, I am a bit squeamish about these leaving their original packaging.

Basically, do you feel the case is part of the card or is it nothing but packaging to you?

Farmkid · 03-02-2021, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by UGLI baby

Why do people say this? I would be curious to hear the reasoning. Is it as simple as "if people wanted it, they would buy it during the 70 hours it's on sale from Topps"?

To me that's the same as saying anyone who wanted a Soto US300 would have bought them when 2018 Update released and they were readily available on eBay.

I've bought a lot of print to order products that have had some pretty crazy price upswings.

There are collectors and speculators. The present collector's set the $20 floor for the set, but we don't know what that $20 print run floor is. The speculators are creating a supply of cards above the present "floor." For them, they are buying the cards for future collectors who have yet to learn about the project(s) or are unable to purchase in the present. The real question is whether there will be more collectors of these cards in the future than there are right now. There is also potential that the current $20 collectors could lose interest in the near or medium future and therefore willing to sell.

That was a lot more long-winded than I wanted.

cnote81 · 03-02-2021, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Farmkid

There's a good chance this was discussed in the past here, but in light of recent pricing changes, I thought I would ask.

What are people's thoughts on keeping these P2020 and P70 in thier original Topps sealed one-touches vs getting them slabbed in PSA?

As a fan of PSA graded cards, I am a bit squeamish about these leaving their original packaging.

Basically, do you feel the case is part of the card or is it nothing but packaging to you?

There are a few people here that are very enthusiastic about the PSA grading and another cohort that can't stand the inconsistency between cases used at various phases of P2020 (and have rehoused them in proper one touches as a result). Personally I kind of like them as they are- they tell the story of P2020 and that's part of the allure of the set for me.

Kek5270 · 03-02-2021, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 1000 Sport Zonk

Your AP is off center (as much as a card designed to be off-center can be off center at least). The artwork for the AP cards is scaled down in size with the frame in mind. Easiest comparison is to look at the size of the letters in his name plate vs. the non-AP name plate.

Thanks all for the responses. Was thinking the right side seemed a little off despite the frame. The theme of this card certainly makes the eye test challenging. Thanks again for the feedback.

Farmkid · 03-02-2021, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by cnote81

There are a few people here that are very enthusiastic about the PSA grading and another cohort that can't stand the inconsistency between cases used at various phases of P2020 (and have rehoused them in proper one touches as a result). Personally I kind of like them as they are- they tell the story of P2020 and that's part of the allure of the set for me.

I think you are onto something about it being very individual preference.

I love all things T206. I have original tobacco cards, 2002, 2009, 2020 Topps T206 mini cards. I also have some of the 2011 eTopps T206 cards. I have sometimes wondered about cracking the eTopps cases to get them graded, but never have.

Farmkid · 03-02-2021, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Kek5270

Thanks all for the responses. Was thinking the right side seemed a little off despite the frame. The theme of this card certainly makes the eye test challenging. Thanks again for the feedback.

You might also just have to see actual scans as more and more get in-hand for more comparison sampling. Often the back of the card is the best for judging centering on those type of non-bordered cards.

Farmkid · 03-02-2021, 02:55 PM

If an artist wanted to put the famous Honus Wagner portrait on a card, which Topps set would be most conducive to the T206 style? Maybe 1995?

JRX · 03-02-2021, 02:55 PM

How will grading companies even measure centering on that card

UGLI baby · 03-02-2021, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Farmkid

There are collectors and speculators. The present collector's set the $20 floor for the set, but we don't know what that $20 print run floor is. The speculators are creating a supply of cards above the present "floor." For them, they are buying the cards for future collectors who have yet to learn about the project(s) or are unable to purchase in the present. The real question is whether there will be more collectors of these cards in the future than there are right now. There is also potential that the current $20 collectors could lose interest in the near or medium future and therefore willing to sell.

That was a lot more long-winded than I wanted.

Would you see this as fundamentally different than buying up all the Jo Adell S1 base cards on eBay that you wanted, in a 70 hour period? It's my opinion that people misunderstand how similar the two actually are...

kevbojones · 03-02-2021, 03:02 PM

1972 for sure

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Originally Posted by Farmkid

If an artist wanted to put the famous Honus Wagner portrait on a card, which Topps set would be most conducive to the T206 style? Maybe 1995?

samcam · 03-02-2021, 03:02 PM

Yeah my 5-pack had 4 different cut versions from more right to more left...my furthest left one is a little more so than you're example above with a little bit bigger dot of pink on the lower border. I think yours there is pretty dang close to centered.

The ones that don't really show the 'M' or the pink on the right as much I think are definitely OC.

Farmkid · 03-02-2021, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by UGLI baby

Would you see this as fundamentally different than buying up all the Jo Adell S1 base cards on eBay that you wanted, in a 70 hour period? It's my opinion that people misunderstand how similar the two actually are...

I think you are probably right. Cards of current young players will always be tied to their future performance or lack thereof.

I don't think there has yet been the "crossover" appeal of art lovers into these two sets that we baseball collectors predicted just under a year ago. Because of that, I think we can factor out a large future surge in interest. Unless one of the new artists is able to bring in more of a following than the original 20 did.

1000 Sport Zonk · 03-02-2021, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JRX

How will grading companies even measure centering on that card

Id assume you would have to go off the official image Topps used for its sale and look for differences in how much play there was in the bleed.

Silas Barnaby · 03-02-2021, 03:36 PM

What do people think of today's Mays by UNDEFEATED?

Is anyone planning to buy it?

JRX · 03-02-2021, 03:38 PM

I'm buying it as part of my every artist first, if not for that I would pass.

The Accountant · 03-02-2021, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Silas Barnaby

What do people think of today's Mays by UNDEFEATED?

Is anyone planning to buy it?

don't like it at all personally. certainly has a retro type feel but that's not for me

notoriousrmb · 03-02-2021, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by UGLI baby

Would you see this as fundamentally different than buying up all the Jo Adell S1 base cards on eBay that you wanted, in a 70 hour period? It's my opinion that people misunderstand how similar the two actually are...

Jo Adell, or Soto Updates as you mentioned earlier are not the same.

If those cards were truly listed on Topps' website and made print to order, huge numbers would be purchased as people are gambling on these player's hype and early production to drive prices further up.

These P2020 and P70 cards are art cards. Not rookie cards. Not mainstream/flagship releases.

I don't think Griffey is suddenly going to have a hype-raising performance causing people to rush out and buy his Shore art cards at huge profits.

1000 Sport Zonk · 03-02-2021, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Silas Barnaby

What do people think of today's Mays by UNDEFEATED?

Is anyone planning to buy it?

Cool concept for a card but the photoshop failures distract me. Would of liked it far more if they had stitched the background images to make them uniform. As it is you can can see two distinct vertical lines where they inserted the next frame of the catch. Very noticeable in the outfield wall. Also, Topps 2014 is an awful design to use.

ThoseBackPages · 03-02-2021, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Silas Barnaby

What do people think of today's Mays by UNDEFEATED?

Is anyone planning to buy it?

i thought it was OMA

Oliroller · 03-02-2021, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

i thought it was OMA

That is an insult to OMA. This photoshopping is atrocious. Like Sport Zonk said you can clearly see the different frames on the outfield wall.

ThoseBackPages · 03-02-2021, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliroller

That is an insult to OMA. This photoshopping is atrocious. Like Sport Zonk said you can clearly see the different frames on the outfield wall.

exactly

samcam · 03-02-2021, 04:08 PM

It's cool that it's part of a three-card series (so he must be doing 6 of those). He said something to the effect of the first three cards will represent the spirit of Mays passing to Griffey passing to Betts.

ThoseBackPages · 03-02-2021, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by samcam

It's cool that it's part of a three-card series (so he must be doing 6 of those). He said something to the effect of the first three cards will represent the spirit of Mays passing to Griffey passing to Betts.

JRX · 03-02-2021, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by samcam

It's cool that it's part of a three-card series (so he must be doing 6 of those). He said something to the effect of the first three cards will represent the spirit of Mays passing to Griffey passing to Betts.

Yeah sorry, one of those does not belong with the other 2.

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Farmkid Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: Albany, NY Posts: 283	There's a good chance this was discussed in the past here, but in light of recent pricing changes, I thought I would ask. What are people's thoughts on keeping these P2020 and P70 in thier original Topps sealed one-touches vs getting them slabbed in PSA? As a fan of PSA graded cards, I am a bit squeamish about these leaving their original packaging. Basically, do you feel the case is part of the card or is it nothing but packaging to you? __________________ ------------------------------------------------ T206: One set to rule them all!

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Farmkid Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: Albany, NY Posts: 283	If an artist wanted to put the famous Honus Wagner portrait on a card, which Topps set would be most conducive to the T206 style? Maybe 1995? __________________ ------------------------------------------------ T206: One set to rule them all!

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JRX Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 15,954	How will grading companies even measure centering on that card

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samcam Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,416	Yeah my 5-pack had 4 different cut versions from more right to more left...my furthest left one is a little more so than you're example above with a little bit bigger dot of pink on the lower border. I think yours there is pretty dang close to centered. The ones that don't really show the 'M' or the pink on the right as much I think are definitely OC.

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Silas Barnaby Member Join Date: Apr 2020 Location: Bogeyland Posts: 8,242	What do people think of today's Mays by UNDEFEATED? Is anyone planning to buy it?

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JRX Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 15,954	I'm buying it as part of my every artist first, if not for that I would pass.

03-02-2021, 04:08 PM	#70973
samcam Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,416	It's cool that it's part of a three-card series (so he must be doing 6 of those). He said something to the effect of the first three cards will represent the spirit of Mays passing to Griffey passing to Betts.