The Erling Haaland Thread

[Gin&Juice]

To me, the issue is really about what other cards will do in comparison to Haaland cards once the international tournaments start. His prices might not drop, but I can't believe that they will continue rise at the same angle as other young guys who play well through the summer, into next year's CL (not convinced that Haaland moves this summer), and during the WC.

[Elemin8]

Originally Posted by reddragonthe

I've been wrong all along on how high Haalands will get. At the risk (benefit?) of being wrong again, I think that things have to slow down at some point and correct. This isn't real life.

10k for Refractor Bundesliga PSA 10
3k for BASE Bundesliga PSA 10
$290 for RAW UCL chrome (frankly, if the other numbers are right, this may be the best deal out there even with the surface issues)
$3000 for PSA 10 purple carbon UCL
$350 for PSA 10 Topps Living (another candidate if the other prices are real for cheaper Haaland if you like the On Demand stuff)
$300 for RAW finest prized footballer

These are CRAZY numbers... not even getting into the 125k Goldin sale and the Sapphire prices.

I feel like I walked into the Project 2020 thread or whatever it is called in May/June.

Not sure if you are into basketball (I'm not so I don't know) but what is the difference in PR of a Luka Doncic Prizm versus Haaland UCL base chrome. I look at both of these guys similar in hype and impact in their sports so just trying to understand if we are saying that the rise is too high / too fast is it inline with someone who like Doncic?

[airharrison21]

I think his Topps Chrome sapphire still has lots of room to grow. Everyone loves Sapphire! Plus the print run is pretty low.

[alwayson22]

Originally Posted by Elemin8

Not sure if you are into basketball (I'm not so I don't know) but what is the difference in PR of a Luka Doncic Prizm versus Haaland UCL base chrome. I look at both of these guys similar in hype and impact in their sports so just trying to understand if we are saying that the rise is too high / too fast is it inline with someone who like Doncic?

PSA and BGS have graded nearly 34,000 Luka Doncic base Prizm cards (just the base). I have to imagine the total print run of Luka base Prizm has to be dozens of multiples higher than the Haaland UCL base chrome print run.

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by Gin&Juice

To me, the issue is really about what other cards will do in comparison to Haaland cards once the international tournaments start. His prices might not drop, but I can't believe that they will continue rise at the same angle as other young guys who play well through the summer, into next year's CL (not convinced that Haaland moves this summer), and during the WC.

Haaland faces three issues in the future:

1) Will he ever lead Norway to success in a major tournament? It's not a deal-breaker if he doesn't (George Weah, Ian Rush, Ryan Giggs are examples of highly regarded players who couldn't elevate small nations), but it does potentially limit his potential.

2) When he eventually leaves Dortmund, does it work out? Twelve months ago, for example, Timo Werner and Kai Haavertz were just as highly thought of as Haaland....however their moves to Chelsea have not worked out and their careers have stagnated somewhat. Same thing with Christian Pulisic. Whereas Haaland is the unquestioned first choice striker at Dortmund and therefore guaranteed playing time, that won't be the case at whatever bigger club he moves to.

3) Can he stay healthy? He hasn't suffered any major injuries yet, but more than a few great strikers have suffered career limiting injuries.

[dsprague12]

Originally Posted by mfw13

Haaland faces three issues in the future:

1) Will he ever lead Norway to success in a major tournament? It's not a deal-breaker if he doesn't (George Weah, Ian Rush, Ryan Giggs are examples of highly regarded players who couldn't elevate small nations), but it does potentially limit his potential.

2) When he eventually leaves Dortmund, does it work out? Twelve months ago, for example, Timo Werner and Kai Haavertz were just as highly thought of as Haaland....however their moves to Chelsea have not worked out and their careers have stagnated somewhat. Same thing with Christian Pulisic. Whereas Haaland is the unquestioned first choice striker at Dortmund and therefore guaranteed playing time, that won't be the case at whatever bigger club he moves to.

3) Can he stay healthy? He hasn't suffered any major injuries yet, but more than a few great strikers have suffered career limiting injuries.

Re: your 2nd argument... A club is going to pay a likely all-time high transfer fee for him and then not going to give him playing time? Seems unlikely.

[YayNJ]

Comparing Haaland to Haevertz, Werner and...... Pulisic

[netmasters]

Originally Posted by reddragonthe

I've been wrong all along on how high Haalands will get. At the risk (benefit?) of being wrong again, I think that things have to slow down at some point and correct. This isn't real life.

10k for Refractor Bundesliga PSA 10
3k for BASE Bundesliga PSA 10
$290 for RAW UCL chrome (frankly, if the other numbers are right, this may be the best deal out there even with the surface issues)
$3000 for PSA 10 purple carbon UCL
$350 for PSA 10 Topps Living (another candidate if the other prices are real for cheaper Haaland if you like the On Demand stuff)
$300 for RAW finest prized footballer

These are CRAZY numbers... not even getting into the 125k Goldin sale and the Sapphire prices.

I feel like I walked into the Project 2020 thread or whatever it is called in May/June.

Great now compare print runs and prices to Luka.

[netmasters]

Originally Posted by dsprague12

Re: your 2nd argument... A club is going to pay a likely all-time high transfer fee for him and then not going to give him playing time? Seems unlikely.

That and he is going to choose (ensure) that he gets playing time with where ever he goes. Baring injury what manager is going to have the balls to bench him? He would have to hit a really long dry spell to warrant that.

I think people just account all the goals to being in the Bundesliga. That certainly helps but he just scored 4 goals in back to back games versus Bayern Munich and Sevilla who aren't exactly pushovers. Not to add what he is doing in the CL as a whole is all time.

The only thing I see derailing him is injury but that can be said about any athlete.

[netmasters]

Originally Posted by airharrison21

I think his Topps Chrome sapphire still has lots of room to grow. Everyone loves Sapphire! Plus the print run is pretty low.

The question I have been asking myself is what would MBappe's Sapphire rookie be right now if there was one?

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by netmasters

The question I have been asking myself is what would MBappe's Sapphire rookie be right now if there was one?

If they had done a soccer set similar to what they did for baseball in 2018, it would be a $25k gem at least.

[reddragonthe]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

If they had done a soccer set similar to what they did for baseball in 2018, it would be a $25k gem at least.

Yeah- 300 PR versus 4K? Yikes. Unobtanium.

[mwheeler27]

Originally Posted by reddragonthe

I've been wrong all along on how high Haalands will get. At the risk (benefit?) of being wrong again, I think that things have to slow down at some point and correct. This isn't real life.

10k for Refractor Bundesliga PSA 10
3k for BASE Bundesliga PSA 10
$290 for RAW UCL chrome (frankly, if the other numbers are right, this may be the best deal out there even with the surface issues)
$3000 for PSA 10 purple carbon UCL
$350 for PSA 10 Topps Living (another candidate if the other prices are real for cheaper Haaland if you like the On Demand stuff)
$300 for RAW finest prized footballer

These are CRAZY numbers... not even getting into the 125k Goldin sale and the Sapphire prices.

I feel like I walked into the Project 2020 thread or whatever it is called in May/June.

Don’t forget...

$6,000 for BGS 9.5 Topps NOW #11 with PR of 178:

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_sad...acat=0&_sop=16

...his first rookie card by date.

[Ianhatcher]

I'll give it a 1st promo card but that's about it. That is never going to be his 1st rookie card in my view.

[orion9578]

Originally Posted by mwheeler27

Don’t forget...

$6,000 for BGS 9.5 Topps NOW #11 with PR of 178:

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_sad...acat=0&_sop=16

...his first rookie card by date.

Sure seems like you should be getting a very LARGE bill from PSA soon...I'm sure some of yours have to be 10's .

Originally Posted by Ianhatcher

I'll give it a 1st promo card but that's about it. That is never going to be his 1st rookie card in my view.

The market is saying it's worth 6k. Heck of a promo card!

I half get what you're saying though. If his Bund/Finest/Sapphire/TC had a PR that low....they'd be worth quite a bit more than 6k .

[Raj3sh]

People said the same about mbappe’s rookie sticker, look where they are now. I will still suggest to buy the sticker if you have a chance instead of a 3rd year card like prizm.

[mwheeler27]

Originally Posted by Ianhatcher

I'll give it a 1st promo card but that's about it. That is never going to be his 1st rookie card in my view.

Again, people said the same thing about the Sapphire brand early on...that it will NEVER be generally accepted, as it’s an online exclusive release.

Times change, and they can change quickly. The NOW brand is made of very high-quality, licensed Topps cards that people are already warming up to how relavent they are. They memorialize significant events as they happen, and card #11 is very significant with an outstanding photo of an historic event.

I wouldn’t want to be the last collector to accept this truth.

[BiggNuttz]

Originally Posted by mwheeler27

Again, people said the same thing about the Sapphire brand early on...that it will NEVER be generally accepted, as it’s an online exclusive release.

Times change, and they can change quickly. The NOW brand is made of very high-quality, licensed Topps cards that people are already warming up to how relavent they are. They memorialize significant events as they happen, and card #11 is very significant with an outstanding photo of an historic event.

I wouldn’t want to be the last collector to accept this truth.

Don't worry, as you own 40 of the 178 print run, you are not going to be the last to accept this truth if it comes to pass........

[Mitch]

Originally Posted by mwheeler27

Again, people said the same thing about the Sapphire brand early on...that it will NEVER be generally accepted, as it’s an online exclusive release.

Times change, and they can change quickly. The NOW brand is made of very high-quality, licensed Topps cards that people are already warming up to how relavent they are. They memorialize significant events as they happen, and card #11 is very significant with an outstanding photo of an historic event.

I wouldn’t want to be the last collector to accept this truth.

#11 is a great card; I don't have it, but wish I did. The thing that Now cards benefit from is that they can showcase some of the amazing sports photography and moments from games that hobby release cards just don't. For instance, pick out a single image of actual interest from Prizm? All of them are just 'meh'. I like that, so I'm sure I'm not alone.

[mwheeler27]

Originally Posted by BiggNuttz

Don't worry, as you own 40 of the 178 print run, you are not going to be the last to accept this truth if it comes to pass........

I’m not worried.

As far as “if” it comes to pass...

At what price does the #11 base card have to reach compared to other brands’ base cards in order for “truth” to exist?

50%? - Already there.

100%? - Already there compared to most other brands.

200%? - Are we there yet compared to most other brands?

There’s still time to start investing in the NOW brand. It’s just now starting to catch on.

[mwheeler27]

Originally Posted by Mitch

#11 is a great card; I don't have it, but wish I did. The thing that Now cards benefit from is that they can showcase some of the amazing sports photography and moments from games that hobby release cards just don't. For instance, pick out a single image of actual interest from Prizm? All of them are just 'meh'. I like that, so I'm sure I'm not alone.

You are most definitely not alone.

The consistently increasing print runs prove that.

[Pnwcardshop]

I like the stickers and they are selling for 10k now

[Cpdjoe77]

Originally Posted by mwheeler27

I’m not worried.

As far as “if” it comes to pass...

At what price does the #11 base card have to reach compared to other brands’ base cards in order for “truth” to exist?

50%? - Already there.

100%? - Already there compared to most other brands.

200%? - Are we there yet compared to most other brands?

There’s still time to start investing in the NOW brand. It’s just now starting to catch on.

Yup, the Jamal musiala from last week almost hit 10,000


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[BiggNuttz]

If print runs are increasing on Topps Now, then isn't that counterproductive to them holding value? Look at what the Shore Griffey did to Topps Project 2020. I would argue that as Topps Now becomes more popular, and print runs increase, the possibility of them holding or increasing in value drops dramatically. A Laffer Curve for sports cards if you will.

[Cpdjoe77]

Of course it will decrease the value. I know I only grabbed 5 hoping for a low print run. On the musiala. They do throw the chance at a parallel in there, but almost 10k is nuts. I was looking through the print runs last night. There were a couple of really low, like sub 60 I think, of lewandowski. But Topps now almost feels like bowman in prospecting terms. Unless it’s an iconic card like the haaland kick one a couple weeks ago


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