Tiger Woods and his Rookie Card Discussion!

[Mikegolf]

When are we going to see your $1,000,000 + in scans?

Originally Posted by golfgasm

Nice to see $20,000+ in scans! lol

[Thunderdunk]

Originally Posted by golfgasm

So did everyone catch that PSA 10 Tiger /900 auto go off last night? Over $83,000 with a sub par auto!? Marquee Tiger holdings are through the roof! Really just about everything is...even Nicklaus stuff is way up.

That was a interesting sale. It was a faded or poor autograph and it did very well on auction. I put a picture below comparing the one that ended last night to a PSA 10/10 and 711/900 was the one that ended last night at $83,099. I believe this card is starting to make a very strong rise. Not saying the rise is going to be straight up like the Jordan Fleer PSA 10 but with only 1000 of these ever (Green/Gold), and being autographed... Its truly is an Iconic one! And the Market is showing that. Several sales over 80K for this one and the latest with a subpar autograph, definitely shows the rise and desire to own Tiger's SP Rookie.

There are a couple of interesting auctions taking place over the next week or so.

There is A PSA 10/10 at Heritage Auctions: LINK, currently at $84,000 with 3 days to go.

And there is a PSA 10 Gold /100 Sp Rookie Autograph at Goldin, currently at $156,000 and a PSA 10 Green /900 Sp Rookie Autograph at Goldin, along with a couple of BGS 9.5/10's... LINK These have about 10 days to go!

There is a PSA 10/10 Green Sp Rookie Autograph /900 on ebay I am shocked that has not sold yet : LINK There are only 36 PSA 10/10's and most are being bought up quickly when on auction. I doubt there will be that many that come back out into the marketplace.

Just like Centering Matters on the Jordan Fleer PSA 10's, The autograph is so very important to the condition of this Tiger SP Rookie. And so very hard to have a 10 for Autograph as I mention here: Link.

[Pat3ntP3nd1ng]

Not sure how’d I organize my top ten list yet but I know I’d include the 2001 Upper Deck Tiger Woods RC auto e-Volve card #/100. I remember wanting one of these when they first came out. Very underrated IMO.

[Mikegolf]

Great card, I agree. The problem is they all have bad autos and the chipping on the black edges was horrendous! They never grade well. Only two 9.5 and four PSA 10 exist and I'm not even sure how they graded that well.

Originally Posted by Pat3ntP3nd1ng

Not sure how’d I organize my top ten list yet but I know I’d include the 2001 Upper Deck Tiger Woods RC auto e-Volve card #/100. I remember wanting one of these when they first came out. Very underrated IMO.

[Tomi]

There is a PSA 10/10 Green Sp Rookie Autograph /900 on ebay I am shocked that has not sold yet : LINK There are only 36 PSA 10/10's and most are being bought up quickly when on auction. I doubt there will be that many that come back out into the marketplace.

The left side of the Tiger in the link looks wavy. I would pass.

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by Mikegolf

Great card, I agree. The problem is they all have bad autos and the chipping on the black edges was horrendous! They never grade well. Only two 9.5 and four PSA 10 exist and I'm not even sure how they graded that well.

I see one of these autos listed yesterday for 25k obo. Actually not a bad price considering how rare they are.

[jick]

Originally Posted by Pat3ntP3nd1ng

Not sure how’d I organize my top ten list yet but I know I’d include the 2001 Upper Deck Tiger Woods RC auto e-Volve card #/100. I remember wanting one of these when they first came out. Very underrated IMO.

Oh yes! I forgot the e-Volve.

I think for all cards in general, while right now all the RC's are hot - Jordan, Kobe, Lebron, TW - I think it's just a matter of time before people will look into scarcity and want cards actually signed, handled, and touched by the player himself.

I will check the e-Volve population when I can and update my listing. I think the e-Volve is one of -if not the - most underrated Tiger Woods rookie around. Or maybe not, because it hardly pops up on the auction sites. People who have it are holding on to it.

[DontToewsMeBro]

When do I get a chance at a Tiger Woods Car Crash relic card?

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by jick

Oh yes! I forgot the e-Volve.

I think for all cards in general, while right now all the RC's are hot - Jordan, Kobe, Lebron, TW - I think it's just a matter of time before people will look into scarcity and want cards actually signed, handled, and touched by the player himself.

I will check the e-Volve population when I can and update my listing. I think the e-Volve is one of -if not the - most underrated Tiger Woods rookie around. Or maybe not, because it hardly pops up on the auction sites. People who have it are holding on to it.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/TIGER-WOODS...oAAOSwtkNf87HK

[Thunderdunk]

^ that is pretty neat that it even has its original redemption. Not sure if one could verify it but still neat if true. Cool one there. As mentioned above, the autos and edges were always problematic but really neat on card autograph and limited!

[golfgasm]

I know for a fact that roughly only half, if that, of the evolve runs were redeemed for each player. So yeah they are very very rare. If one got a gem mint rating it is a fluke...lightning in a bottle for sure

[jick]

..and just like that, a number of Tiger 2001 SOTT cards and their red variants have been listed and moved on ebay lately..

[Thunderdunk]

Originally Posted by jick

..and just like that, a number of Tiger 2001 SOTT cards and their red variants have been listed and moved on ebay lately..

PWCC had 4 of them in their February auction. All did well and are rising. There also was a PSA 10 of the Black/White SP SOTT that sold for $42,556 the other day!

[shammy99]

We are in strange times. Sportscards are on fire, in many sports, it is like a form of gambling as we can buy into breaks, mini breaks and fractional ownership. The "goats" of the world are seeing an insane uptick in value of their cards especially rookies that have high grades. Its a great time to sell as the value is up a lot. On this forum and others how many posts about $10 bin cards now reading insane prices. At some point it will burst, but until it does ride the wave. It does suck for true collectors that are collecting for the people on the cards not the value of it.

As for TW, his gold auto rc on Goldin will be big tell on where prices will go. its at 140k right now but it should rise.

[Thunderdunk]

Originally Posted by shammy99

We are in strange times. Sportscards are on fire, in many sports, it is like a form of gambling as we can buy into breaks, mini breaks and fractional ownership. The "goats" of the world are seeing an insane uptick in value of their cards especially rookies that have high grades. Its a great time to sell as the value is up a lot. On this forum and others how many posts about $10 bin cards now reading insane prices. At some point it will burst, but until it does ride the wave. It does suck for true collectors that are collecting for the people on the cards not the value of it.

As for TW, his gold auto rc on Goldin will be big tell on where prices will go. its at 140k right now but it should rise.

That 2001 SP Gold Rookie Autograph, Limited to 100 (LINK) is amazing in my opinion. The PSA pop reports 17 PSA 10's for that card. I would guess there is only 10 to 12 PSA 10's as people were crossing BGS to PSA and PSA to BGS back in the day a lot. I personally crossed one of them back in 2002, wish I still had it!!! BGS was a much tougher grader then PSA back then. But regardless, just an amazing TW Rookie Auto, there is just not enough to go around. This is the first Gold to come on auction in a long time.

I will say the Lebron, limited to 99 (one less then Tiger's Best rookie: SP Gold) is currently at $1.08 Million in a BGS 8.5.... BGS 8.5.... I know basketball is a bigger draw then Golf. Totally get it, but we are talking about Tiger Woods.

That Tiger Woods Gold SP Rookie Autograph, Limited to 100, is so undervalued, compared to what others are selling for, in my opinion.

Amazing item, about a week left on auction for all those Goldin auctions. That Kobe Chrome Refractor is at $1.2 Million, and each Jordan Fleer PSA 10's are well above 500K. Will be interesting to see where everything ends up!

[jick]

A PWCC Auction just ended today with the Red Tiger Sign Of The Times /65 at BGS 9.

It was only $8,600 which is a very low price for a Tiger card that is: graded, autographed, short printed to 65, and from his hobby rookie year 2001.

Maybe the Tiger market is softening now after his accident since he is almost certainly not going to threaten Nicklaus' record of 18 majors?

Now I guess the most undervalued cards would be the Nicklaus ones!

[AK9]

Well the 01 SPA gold /100 PSA 10 just sold for $340k last week, which would make it the highest priced golf card ever sold in auction. Not sure if every card of Tiger has cool down considerably.


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[Thunderdunk]

Originally Posted by jick

A PWCC Auction just ended today with the Red Tiger Sign Of The Times /65 at BGS 9.

It was only $8,600 which is a very low price for a Tiger card that is: graded, autographed, short printed to 65, and from his hobby rookie year 2001.

Maybe the Tiger market is softening now after his accident since he is almost certainly not going to threaten Nicklaus' record of 18 majors?

Now I guess the most undervalued cards would be the Nicklaus ones!

I do think Nicklaus cards are undervalued, this POP 4 Should have sold on Buy it Now instantly, Item #224374059892, would link but blowouts linking is not working at the moment.


But saying Nicklaus is undervalued is like saying Bill Russell and 7 other players that have more Championships compared to Jordan if you are using that metric...

Not all markets move up in a straight line, but the good ones will always be good. Jordan Fleer went for 738K in PSA 10 now selling for $500K-600K in PSA 10, up from $20K sales price 19 months ago. Is that Market Soft also? The '87 Fleer is going for 1/2 of what it was, but still up 1000% from this time last year, is that soft?

That BGS 9 Red Sign of the Times that you are referring to was under $1K just 12 months ago... only up ~800% Kind of Like my Perfect PSA 10, of the exact same card you are referencing, I sold back in Nov of 2018... for $1725... and you are saying the market is softening on a BGS 9, of the same card that just sold for $8600... LOL! Facts Matter... Demand for Tiger Woods Sp Auto's and his good ones is massive and will continue.



I do think the Gem Mint, Gold (limited to 100) 2001 Tiger Woods Sp Rookie Autographs will be over a Million Dollars one day soon. Just not enough of them and the big buyers want Tiger's best. Epic Rookie of the GOAT! EPIC!

[jick]

I said $8600 is low for a Red/65 because of the sales of the standard unnumbered SOTT 2001:

1/26/2021 - BGS 9.5 ...$10,262
2/01/2021 - PSA 9 ...$9,000
2/04/2021 - BGS 9.5 ...$8,000
2/09/2021 - BGS 9.5 ....$9,600
2/13/2021 - PSA 9 ....$5,700

..then now, the Red /65 which is a limited print run variant of the blacks I listed about fell to $8,600 which is less than what the black originally sold for in January!

I am talking about that card, not the rookie/900.

[Thunderdunk]

People clearly like the Black/White over the Red. Its been that way for a while. Here is a B/W PSA 10 that sold for over $42,000 for the Black / White: Link

There will always be fluctuations in the higher end markets. For everything, not just cards.

And as I pointed out, the market is anything but soft of all of the ones you mentioned. Hence a PSA 10 (limited to 65) sells for $1725 in November of 2018, and the same card in BGS 9, sells for $8,600 now.

Put your PSA 9, Black/White on auction that you have listed on ebay at 18K... I bet it falls inline with the prices you mentioned above. Sweet card by the way. I bough one in July of 2020 for $1300... LINK Even Quoted you in that thread and here we are again! That B/W sells for 9K now, 8 months later. Very strong demand if you ask me.

[jick]

Originally Posted by Thunderdunk

People clearly like the Black/White over the Red. Its been that way for a while. Here is a B/W PSA 10 that sold for over $42,000 for the Black / White: Link

There will always be fluctuations in the higher end markets. For everything, not just cards.

And as I pointed out, the market is anything but soft of all of the ones you mentioned. Hence a PSA 10 (limited to 65) sells for $1725 in November of 2018, and the same card in BGS 9, sells for $8,600 now.

Put your PSA 9, Black/White on auction that you have listed on ebay at 18K... I bet it falls inline with the prices you mentioned above. Sweet card by the way. I bough one in July of 2020 for $1300... LINK Even Quoted you in that thread and here we are again! That B/W sells for 9K now, 8 months later. Very strong demand if you ask me.

I am "parking" my PSA 9 card to see what offers I get. So far, the best is at $4k, and no way am I letting go at that price. I am actually not looking to sell it at the going rate. Instead, I plan on completing the set by adding the elusive Nicklaus and Duval (got any leads?)

I am just panicking slightly to see that red /65 sell for less than what the black sold for. I am sure the /273 and /274 would be less than the black - but not the /65 especially since it mentions the Masters.

[Pat3ntP3nd1ng]

I think part of the /65 going for what it did is the lack of education and new influx of golf collectors. Given time I’d imagine the reds to gain more steam when people actually realize how rare they are. Just give it time. For me, having the base black SOTT consistently sell for more than the reds would be like the /900 out selling the gold /100. Higher pop count doesn’t win out generally long term when your talking the same subset just a rarer variation.

If you ask me, the time is now to get in on some reds.

[Pat3ntP3nd1ng]

Originally Posted by Thunderdunk

People clearly like the Black/White over the Red. Its been that way for a while. Here is a B/W PSA 10 that sold for over $42,000

I actually disagree with this. For the longest time any of the reds have outsold the base b/w version. Additionally this $42k sale has all the makings of a investor who is not as versed in this set like someone who actually opened quite a bit of this product when it came out, or doesn’t care and just wants to make the market. PSA 10 will get a premium but $42k is a bit high for that card at this stage. IMHO

[Thunderdunk]

Originally Posted by Pat3ntP3nd1ng

I actually disagree with this. For the longest time any of the reds have outsold the base b/w version. Additionally this $42k sale has all the makings of a investor who is not as versed in this set like someone who actually opened quite a bit of this product when it came out, or doesn’t care and just wants to make the market. PSA 10 will get a premium but $42k is a bit high for that card at this stage. IMHO

I agree with the reds historically outselling the black/white Sign of the Times, but I think people like the neutrality of the black/white. The only reds I would like over the black/white are the /65 (Masters) and /4. Just one persons opinion. I think 42K is very low for the Black/White as it is a POP 2 for a PSA 10/10. I think people are waking up to that and as you say "lack of education" Kind of surprised it did not go for 75K+

Add up the Reds limited to /274 and /273 and I believe they would surpass the total of the Black / White. All are very limited however.

[golfgasm]

Originally Posted by Mikegolf

When are we going to see your $1,000,000 + in scans?

LOL Mike you are now a lot of my gems are in your safe haha but I do have a 2001 SPA Nicklaus SOTT in BGS 9.5/10...might be the only one left you don't have.