Can Edwards catch Lamelo?

[byronscott4ever]

Originally Posted by carl2001

Can lamelo still win Roy with the injury?

I believe so...in a regular season I’d say no

[carl2001]

^yea hornets already played more than half their games in a 72 game season. Still have 50-50 chance with the writers.

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by carl2001

Can lamelo still win Roy with the injury?

Unfortunately no.

I think even in the MVP race they've been tough on players missing 5 to 10 games. He'll miss 30

[byronscott4ever]

In a full season, Ewing had 50 games and Roy 57 played for their RoY seasons

[FreshOutThePack]

Oof. Some of the comments on this thread did not age well.

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by FreshOutThePack

Oof. Some of the comments on this thread did not age well.

Ok Mr Obvious....the only chance for anyone catching him was an injury...sh*t happens

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by byronscott4ever

I think Ball being out will make the race a bit closer if Edwards continues to score more

Haliburton was a lot closer to Ball than Edwards. We shall see how it plays out.

[byronscott4ever]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

Haliburton was a lot closer to Ball than Edwards. We shall see how it plays out.

Agreed, those 2 had swept the monthly awards so far

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

Haliburton was a lot closer to Ball than Edwards. We shall see how it plays out.

I think (unless they give it to Melo despite the injury) that it's Halis to lose now.

Far better player

[NeedChapmans]

I think someone will have to improve their play. If both Edwards or Halliburton (or whomever you want) simply extend their current production across a full season, Ball still the favorite IMHO.

But if someone / anyone steps up, they certainly can take it away.

[Promethius88]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

I think (unless they give it to Melo despite the injury) that it's Halis to lose now.

Far better player

Not going to disagree with you but curious to know the basis for your position. Looking at the stat lines, Wiseman's numbers aren't far off from Hali's in far fewer minutes.

[ballhawkdawk]

Anthony Edwards takes it home. I think the idea of Haliburton or Lamelo taking it are major reaches at this point. Brick city or not, Edwards has produced some big games, big highlights, and is shouldering a heavy load. I think those things will carry a lot of weight with voters. It was Lamelo by a sizeable margin before, but he's going to finish the season having played only 41 games.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by Promethius88

Not going to disagree with you but curious to know the basis for your position. Looking at the stat lines, Wiseman's numbers aren't far off from Hali's in far fewer minutes.

The advanced metrics have Haliburton as an above average player at his position on both ends of the floor. That and watching him play, he's awesome. His defensive instincts are phenomenal, he's got such a knack for jumping lanes, his overall court awareness is great.

I think Haliburton is somewhat limited offensively right now. I haven't really seen much ability to create with his dribble in ISO situations. If he wants to take his game to the next level he needs to get better and more aggressive with ISO.

Overall his shot is much better than people projected. While his handle and feel for the game isn't quite as good as Melo, I'd say he's easily the 2nd best player in this class right now. If I were building a team I'd be taking him #2 just because he's pluggable anywhere and fits with anybody.


Wiseman is fine, I'm personally not as high on him as most. He's extremely talented but a very raw player and ultimately not that impactful right now. The advanced metrics have him as statistically one of the worst big men in the league offensively and slightly below average defensively.

I don't see his offensive game ever being elite but I do see him becoming an elite rim protector. Realistically if he can become a slightly better version of Lob City DeAndre he's going to be a great NBA player, not so great hobby-wise.

[Promethius88]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

The advanced metrics have Haliburton as an above average player at his position on both ends of the floor. That and watching him play, he's awesome. His defensive instincts are phenomenal, he's got such a knack for jumping lanes, his overall court awareness is great.

I think Haliburton is somewhat limited offensively right now. I haven't really seen much ability to create with his dribble in ISO situations. If he wants to take his game to the next level he needs to get better and more aggressive with ISO.

Overall his shot is much better than people projected. While his handle and feel for the game isn't quite as good as Melo, I'd say he's easily the 2nd best player in this class right now. If I were building a team I'd be taking him #2 just because he's pluggable anywhere and fits with anybody.


Wiseman is fine, I'm personally not as high on him as most. He's extremely talented but a very raw player and ultimately not that impactful right now. The advanced metrics have him as statistically one of the worst big men in the league offensively and slightly below average defensively.

I don't see his offensive game ever being elite but I do see him becoming an elite rim protector. Realistically if he can become a slightly better version of Lob City DeAndre he's going to be a great NBA player, not so great hobby-wise.

I don't disagree with any of that. In all fairness, I haven't seen Hali play a lot. I was higher on him at the start of the season but I think long term he will be good. The little I've seen of Wiseman hasn't impressed me that much but he looks very raw.
I think there are a lot of good young players in this draft class. The Pistons could have 4 solid kids when has comes back next year. Hayes, Bey, Lee and Wright. All of them....except for Hayes, of course, have been getting a decent amount of time on the floor which should be good for them next season

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by Promethius88

I don't disagree with any of that. In all fairness, I haven't seen Hali play a lot. I was higher on him at the start of the season but I think long term he will be good. The little I've seen of Wiseman hasn't impressed me that much but he looks very raw.
I think there are a lot of good young players in this draft class. The Pistons could have 4 solid kids when has comes back next year. Hayes, Bey, Lee and Wright. All of them....except for Hayes, of course, have been getting a decent amount of time on the floor which should be good for them next season

I'm interested to see what Hayes looks like when he comes back. I was really high on him going into the draft but he was terrible when he did play. Did not look ready for the NBA at all.

Kinda reminded me of Mudiay when he came into the league.

Saddiq Bey is pretty awesome tho, he's going to be a really good player for a long time.

[FreshOutThePack]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

Anthony Edwards takes it home. I think the idea of Haliburton or Lamelo taking it are major reaches at this point. Brick city or not, Edwards has produced some big games, big highlights, and is shouldering a heavy load. I think those things will carry a lot of weight with voters. It was Lamelo by a sizeable margin before, but he's going to finish the season having played only 41 games.

Agreed. Plus if he continues his recent pace, he really might have caught up to Ball regardless.

[WillC]

Glad I put money on Haliburton to win ROTY before the season began. I really like his game.

[bert]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

One of my biggest pet peeves is when people equate raw PPG to superstar talent.

To say Edwards has already shown superstar talent is an absolutely wild and totally unrealistic take. The dude doesn't even have 50% TS. His only + skill is scoring at the rim in iso situations.

He can't shoot... from anywhere on the floor, he's not a particularly good rebounder, not interested in being a playmaker or creating for others, and he's a terrible team defender just because of a lack of court awareness.

Now I realize that most rookies aren't great in the awareness department just because they don't have the experience but it's still worth pointing out.

Now Indiana, I agree that Edwards role is different than LaMelos and Charlotte is obviously a lot better than Minnesota but their usage rates are pretty close to one another.

I suppose there is a chance that Edwards could come close in the ROY race this year if he continues scoring like he has just because people love raw PPG for whatever reason. I just don't understand the infatuation with it by most of the NBA fan community.

Does anyone think Andrew Wiggins was or is capable of being a superstar? He was putting up 25ppg.

Edwards reminds me of a slightly more talented & athletic version of Dion Waiters.... Low efficiency volume scorers never become NBA superstars.

He's 19 years old and is averaging 26 points per game in March thus far. He dropped 42, 29, and 34 in consecutive games last week. Also, he shot a great percentage doing so. How is that not flashing superstar talent? He's 19 years old and already putting up very impressive numbers. And not just numbers, he's been great down the stretch and has a million highlight reel moments. He's a star/superstar in the making. Wait till he's 22, 23 years old, you'll see.

[LeonfromNC]

Haliburton dropped 28 last night on 11-15 shooting

It takes Edwards at least 25-30 shots to score 28. His efficiency is just doo doo.

Haliburton will win now that he is starting and should put up some nice numbers the rest of the way...

[Goozeman25]

Originally Posted by WillC

Glad I put money on Haliburton to win ROTY before the season began. I really like his game.

Me too, super efficient player. Hali in the stating lineup has been very good. Edwards is not efficient omg.

[WillC]

Originally Posted by LeonfromNC

Haliburton dropped 28 last night on 11-15 shooting

It takes Edwards at least 25-30 shots to score 28. His efficiency is just doo doo.

Haliburton will win now that he is starting and should put up some nice numbers the rest of the way...

This is great to hear.