Sick of baseball prices, back to hockey!

EldoEsq · 02-21-2021, 10:11 AM

I have been a long time baseball collector, I used to be into hockey in the early 90's. While my baseball collection has risen exponentially, I'm not a huge seller and mostly keep everything!

I found my old hockey box...that's in the first pic. I found a Roy rookie in my common rookie box, I remember buying Topps wax packs in 1989 for 3 bux each hunting for Lemieux rookies and glossing this card right over! A little OC, but not too shabby!

The next pic is what I have purchased in the last couple of weeks, spending about 100 bux on all of these HOF rookies! Seems like a really undervalued market!!!

Question though, as I begin stepping my feet into the more modern aspect, what is really the difference between rookie card and rookie year? I come from a time when there was just Topps and OPC in hockey...and ALL baseball cards seem to be rookies.

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LesExpos · 02-21-2021, 11:49 AM

Wow, so many memories in that pic! Robitaille so under-rated, he gets no hobby love, that can't last forever!

mfw13 · 02-21-2021, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by LesExpos

Wow, so many memories in that pic! Robitaille so under-rated, he gets no hobby love, that can't last forever!

Wingers generally get no hobby love....it's not just Robitaille.

Mogilny, Bure, Brett Hull....all undervalued compared to their accomplishments.

With the exception of Gordie Howe, it's all about centers and goalies...

Selanne00008 · 02-21-2021, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by mfw13

Wingers generally get no hobby love....it's not just Robitaille.

Mogilny, Bure, Brett Hull....all undervalued compared to their accomplishments.

With the exception of Gordie Howe, it's all about centers and goalies...

Ovie says Hi

But yes you are right in general. As a Sabres fan, the Bure/Mogilny/Selanne (see screename) rocket race of 93 (?) was what completely hooked me in. Being around 10 years old there was no way to ignore that hype in Buffalo. Magical Honestly.

Almost reminds me, LaFontaine should get more love as well! Not as many accomplishments compaired to say Yzerman, but as a top 5 American born player his scoring ability with Mogilny was awesome.

mrb842 · 02-21-2021, 07:10 PM

young guns are the easiest and best to collect. the shows in late march should have a ton of fresh series 2 stuff to get great deals on

odjickfan · 02-21-2021, 11:22 PM

I've been picking up 80s rookies lately. Guys like Hull, Sakic, Damphousse, Muller, Carbonneau, Stastny, Turgeon, ... It's really fun and affordable. Robitaille is on my list of cards to get soon.

To answer your question, the rookie card is part of the base set, while rookie year cards are parallels and inserts.

creasecollector · 02-21-2021, 11:59 PM

Welcome back !

KSIGN · 02-22-2021, 10:43 PM

I’ve been thinking the same thing. This whole card market is just frustrating.

My Walmart’s and targets are empty of baseball; plus I have a 7-5 M-F job so I can’t stalk the stockers at these stores.

At the same time, the prices of singles (any sport) right now, specifically graded is obscene. I saw a $100 90-91 PSA 10 UD Neidermeyer RC sell Saturday. WTF???

actionbryan · 02-25-2021, 10:57 PM

Why are a lot of the guys on the all time scoring leaders list from my childhood (90s)?

Kudos to Ovechkin for being high on the list and like the only modern player on the list. Kudos to the legend that is Jaromir Jagr coming in with the bronze

Retired hobbist · 03-02-2021, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by actionbryan

Why are a lot of the guys on the all time scoring leaders list from my childhood (90s)?

Kudos to Ovechkin for being high on the list and like the only modern player on the list. Kudos to the legend that is Jaromir Jagr coming in with the bronze

This was the tail end of the scoring boom and the league expanded quickly so there were a few horrid teams that were playing AHL level squads until their rookies matured.

Ovechkin is probably the greatest pure goal scorer of any era adjusted to goals per game.

forceplay sport · 03-02-2021, 02:14 PM

try and find yourself a set of 1990 OPC Premier ,. besides the best Jagr rookie,
theer are a bunch of great rookies in this set.

Retired hobbist · 03-04-2021, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by EldoEsq

I have been a long time baseball collector, I used to be into hockey in the early 90's. While my baseball collection has risen exponentially, I'm not a huge seller and mostly keep everything!

I found my old hockey box...that's in the first pic. I found a Roy rookie in my common rookie box, I remember buying Topps wax packs in 1989 for 3 bux each hunting for Lemieux rookies and glossing this card right over! A little OC, but not too shabby!

The next pic is what I have purchased in the last couple of weeks, spending about 100 bux on all of these HOF rookies! Seems like a really undervalued market!!!

Question though, as I begin stepping my feet into the more modern aspect, what is really the difference between rookie card and rookie year? I come from a time when there was just Topps and OPC in hockey...and ALL baseball cards seem to be rookies.

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Hockey has hall of fame players that are criminally undervalued. I'm not even talking about veteran committee types that would be the equivalent of Harold Baines.

Mike Gartner cards can be picked up cheap and he scored 700 goals. Dino Ciccarelli cards are cheap too and he scored 600 goals.

Stay at home defense men like Rod Langway are even cheaper than those two. Doug Wilson is similar(we could debate if he isn't a Baines type).

Even guys that are fairly legendary can be picked up in good grades for a little over a hundred in Mike Bossy, Brian Trottier, Ray Bourque and Paul Coffey.

I don't even think Moose's cards are expensive for the quality of player he is as his rookie isn't expensive compared to Gretzky and IMO he was a better all around player.

Casual collectors that don't want to drop a grand on a card can pick up all of these cards plus other hall of famer players probably for around a grand for these plus Larry Murphy, Mr. Blue Bernie F. and Kevin Lowe.

base set · 03-06-2021, 12:54 AM

Discovered today that MJ Holdings won’t even send baseball cards to my town now...but they did send some Parkhurst blasters. So will probably try out one of those soon.

odjickfan · 03-06-2021, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Retired hobbist

Hockey has hall of fame players that are criminally undervalued. I'm not even talking about veteran committee types that would be the equivalent of Harold Baines.

Mike Gartner cards can be picked up cheap and he scored 700 goals. Dino Ciccarelli cards are cheap too and he scored 600 goals.

Stay at home defense men like Rod Langway are even cheaper than those two. Doug Wilson is similar(we could debate if he isn't a Baines type).

Even guys that are fairly legendary can be picked up in good grades for a little over a hundred in Mike Bossy, Brian Trottier, Ray Bourque and Paul Coffey.

I don't even think Moose's cards are expensive for the quality of player he is as his rookie isn't expensive compared to Gretzky and IMO he was a better all around player.

Casual collectors that don't want to drop a grand on a card can pick up all of these cards plus other hall of famer players probably for around a grand for these plus Larry Murphy, Mr. Blue Bernie F. and Kevin Lowe.

I'll have to add a few of these guys to my wantlist. I gave a quick look on eBay, Gartner rookie is very affordable.

EldoEsq · 03-07-2021, 08:28 AM

Just added these for pennies compared to baseball!

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lifeline9 · 03-10-2021, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Retired hobbist

Hockey has hall of fame players that are criminally undervalued. I'm not even talking about veteran committee types that would be the equivalent of Harold Baines.

Mike Gartner cards can be picked up cheap and he scored 700 goals. Dino Ciccarelli cards are cheap too and he scored 600 goals.

Stay at home defense men like Rod Langway are even cheaper than those two. Doug Wilson is similar(we could debate if he isn't a Baines type).

Even guys that are fairly legendary can be picked up in good grades for a little over a hundred in Mike Bossy, Brian Trottier, Ray Bourque and Paul Coffey.

I don't even think Moose's cards are expensive for the quality of player he is as his rookie isn't expensive compared to Gretzky and IMO he was a better all around player.

Casual collectors that don't want to drop a grand on a card can pick up all of these cards plus other hall of famer players probably for around a grand for these plus Larry Murphy, Mr. Blue Bernie F. and Kevin Lowe.

Nice cards! Taking me down memory lane. Brett hull was my first big rookie when I first started collecting around age 6. Yup I taped them all to my wall

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Inferno · 03-10-2021, 09:01 AM

The Messier OPC rookie has seen a bump recently but is definitely still undervalued for a guy with six Cups and a trophy named after him.

The other thing about his RC is he doesn't have a Topps counterpart like most HOF players of the era. It's OPC or bust so if the demand ever does take off all the demand has to filter to that one card. He's got essentially half the population of RCs out there as his 80s HOF peers.

glorbgorb · 03-13-2021, 01:28 PM

Hockey is on the rise, for good or for bad. Unfortunately they have to be graded to really drain your bank account. I think the non-hockey collectors have moved over in full force investing.

jharri71 · 03-14-2021, 01:33 PM

I have always kept my hockey cards from collections I've bought. Starting to expand and buy some vintage Chicago Blackhawks. I have a lot of 90's stuff like everyone else, but you can get a lot of stars really cheap from that era.

Rorschach · 03-22-2021, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by KSIGN

I’ve been thinking the same thing. This whole card market is just frustrating.

My Walmart’s and targets are empty of baseball; plus I have a 7-5 M-F job so I can’t stalk the stockers at these stores.

At the same time, the prices of singles (any sport) right now, specifically graded is obscene. I saw a $100 90-91 PSA 10 UD Neidermeyer RC sell Saturday. WTF???

It's still affordable.

I saw a 92-93 PSA 10 UD Niedermayer, first NJ uniform, sell for $140.

Rorschach · 03-22-2021, 08:41 PM

The majority of the explosion of value is on PSA-gradeable cards. OPC cards from the 80s are mostly not gradeable due to their rough edges so people are sticking the UD-era cards.

This means the #1 guy will be Jaromir Jagr, who is like the Ken Griffey Jr. of hockey cards and the 1989 UD Ken Griffey Jr. in hockey is the 90-91 OPC Premier Jaromir Jagr.

02-21-2021, 11:22 PM	#6
odjickfan Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 1,483 odjickfan	I've been picking up 80s rookies lately. Guys like Hull, Sakic, Damphousse, Muller, Carbonneau, Stastny, Turgeon, ... It's really fun and affordable. Robitaille is on my list of cards to get soon. To answer your question, the rookie card is part of the base set, while rookie year cards are parallels and inserts. __________________ Tradelist: https://docs.google.com/document/d/11IdFTXBFFoAaX6H2aVivPkQ53Eh4XI5g/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=106577311251479576706&rtpof=true&sd=true Wantlist: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p25DD9-ZdSr5PobQTfdArgcqS3Ixon4x/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=106577311251479576706&rtpof=true&sd=true

02-21-2021, 11:59 PM	#7
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03-13-2021, 01:28 PM	#18
glorbgorb Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,933 weasel-king weaselking	Hockey is on the rise, for good or for bad. Unfortunately they have to be graded to really drain your bank account. I think the non-hockey collectors have moved over in full force investing. __________________ Go green--reuse toploaders! Tons of cards available: https://rhinosgonecrazy.com/html/index_avail.html

02-21-2021, 10:11 AM	#1
EldoEsq Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: UP Upstate NY now! Posts: 1,466 roryladd Eldoesq	Sick of baseball prices, back to hockey! I have been a long time baseball collector, I used to be into hockey in the early 90's. While my baseball collection has risen exponentially, I'm not a huge seller and mostly keep everything! I found my old hockey box...that's in the first pic. I found a Roy rookie in my common rookie box, I remember buying Topps wax packs in 1989 for 3 bux each hunting for Lemieux rookies and glossing this card right over! A little OC, but not too shabby! The next pic is what I have purchased in the last couple of weeks, spending about 100 bux on all of these HOF rookies! Seems like a really undervalued market!!! Question though, as I begin stepping my feet into the more modern aspect, what is really the difference between rookie card and rookie year? I come from a time when there was just Topps and OPC in hockey...and ALL baseball cards seem to be rookies. Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk Last edited by EldoEsq; 02-21-2021 at 10:13 AM.

02-21-2021, 11:49 AM	#2
LesExpos Member Join Date: Mar 2019 Posts: 147	Wow, so many memories in that pic! Robitaille so under-rated, he gets no hobby love, that can't last forever!

02-21-2021, 07:10 PM	#5
mrb842 Member Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: midwest Posts: 1,688	young guns are the easiest and best to collect. the shows in late march should have a ton of fresh series 2 stuff to get great deals on

02-22-2021, 10:43 PM	#8
KSIGN Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 264 ksignore	I’ve been thinking the same thing. This whole card market is just frustrating. My Walmart’s and targets are empty of baseball; plus I have a 7-5 M-F job so I can’t stalk the stockers at these stores. At the same time, the prices of singles (any sport) right now, specifically graded is obscene. I saw a $100 90-91 PSA 10 UD Neidermeyer RC sell Saturday. WTF???

02-25-2021, 10:57 PM	#9
actionbryan Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Illinois Posts: 1,744 mrbrownstone5150 actionbryan	Why are a lot of the guys on the all time scoring leaders list from my childhood (90s)? Kudos to Ovechkin for being high on the list and like the only modern player on the list. Kudos to the legend that is Jaromir Jagr coming in with the bronze

03-02-2021, 02:14 PM	#11
forceplay sport Member Join Date: Jan 2019 Posts: 145	try and find yourself a set of 1990 OPC Premier ,. besides the best Jagr rookie, theer are a bunch of great rookies in this set.

03-06-2021, 12:54 AM	#13
base set Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: NW Michigan Posts: 9,396	Discovered today that MJ Holdings won’t even send baseball cards to my town now...but they did send some Parkhurst blasters. So will probably try out one of those soon.

03-07-2021, 08:28 AM	#15
EldoEsq Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: UP Upstate NY now! Posts: 1,466 roryladd Eldoesq	Just added these for pennies compared to baseball! Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk

03-10-2021, 09:01 AM	#17
Inferno Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Canada Eh Posts: 1,649	The Messier OPC rookie has seen a bump recently but is definitely still undervalued for a guy with six Cups and a trophy named after him. The other thing about his RC is he doesn't have a Topps counterpart like most HOF players of the era. It's OPC or bust so if the demand ever does take off all the demand has to filter to that one card. He's got essentially half the population of RCs out there as his 80s HOF peers.

03-14-2021, 01:33 PM	#19
jharri71 Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 309	I have always kept my hockey cards from collections I've bought. Starting to expand and buy some vintage Chicago Blackhawks. I have a lot of 90's stuff like everyone else, but you can get a lot of stars really cheap from that era.

03-22-2021, 08:41 PM	#21
Rorschach Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: LA Posts: 416 Johnnyleo	The majority of the explosion of value is on PSA-gradeable cards. OPC cards from the 80s are mostly not gradeable due to their rough edges so people are sticking the UD-era cards. This means the #1 guy will be Jaromir Jagr, who is like the Ken Griffey Jr. of hockey cards and the 1989 UD Ken Griffey Jr. in hockey is the 90-91 OPC Premier Jaromir Jagr.