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[Akphillips86]

Originally Posted by whodatbeastly16

It's funny how some of y'all overreact after a loss. Especially in season 2 of Zion and the complete rebuilding of the Pelicans. BI is 23. Zion is 20. And you want to completely demolish the whole team to trade for what? What piece is going to make the Pelicans a contender this year? Let the youngins grow. Let them find their roles in the team and develop together. You all have no patience. NAW is 22, Lonzo 23, Kira 19, Hayes 20. I mean compare it to some of these teams who are still in rebuilds. Take Chicago for example, they are barely a playoff team and have 27 year old Zach Lavine.

Pelicans have a lot of time to grow, and the expectations for this team are far too high. The expectation for this team from even before the season should've been a low playoff seed or play-in seed. They're not reaching that yet, but there's still time. Just be happy your investment is dropping 40 on better efficiency than Shaq for now. Be glad he's not 100 pounds overweight like everyone said he was last year.

It’s a chemistry issue.

Many, like myself, are frustrated because they see the generational ability of Zion being somewhat squandered by poor fitting pieces.

BI is a great player, but he’s not the best sidekick for Zion. Half the problem is he doesn’t realize that he’s the sidekick.

Pels need shooters or a PG who is a legitimate offensive threat that runs the pick and roll with Z. Ingram is the only asset that is able to give NO pieces that could actually put them in contention.

I hope their youth pans out, and I actually like Lonzo as a complementary piece, but they really should see what they are able to obtain for BI. Their current configuration simply isn’t optimizing the biggest offensive weapon they have.


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[whodatbeastly16]

Originally Posted by Akphillips86

It’s a chemistry issue.

Many, like myself, are frustrated because they see the generational ability of Zion being somewhat squandered by poor fitting pieces.

BI is a great player, but he’s not the best sidekick for Zion. Half the problem is he doesn’t realize that he’s the sidekick.

Pels need shooters or a PG who is a legitimate offensive threat that runs the pick and roll with Z. Ingram is the only asset that is able to give NO pieces that could actually put them in contention.

I hope their youth pans out, and I actually like Lonzo as a complementary piece, but they really should see what they are able to obtain for BI. Their current configuration simply isn’t optimizing the biggest offensive weapon they have.


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What do you think Kira is meant to be? You say you wanted De'aaron Fox but that is exactly what Kira's closest comp is. I agree that they need shooters, and getting shooters will actually help BI as much as it will Zion. BI has a very tough time getting to the rim because the paint is being packed at the moment. I actually think something that would help BI is going back to shooting more catch and shoot 3s rather than the dribble pullups.

How much more does Zion really need to be optimized? This is what I don't understand. He just scored 39 on 89% shooting and you need him to be optimized more? I thought the major problem tonight was obviously an off-night by BI, but also the fact that Adams and Bledsoe played so many minutes. Hayes should've had more than 7 minutes but for some reason didn't.

I would like to see the young players develop. BI is going to be a positive asset. I want to hear what piece you think we could trade BI for that would make the current Pelicans team a contender.

[koncheng]

Can someone help me understand the math. If zion is +13 and Bi Is -29... does that mean the Nuggets scored 42 points against the Pels during the time Zion was sitting and Bi was in the game?

[Akphillips86]

Originally Posted by whodatbeastly16

What do you think Kira is meant to be? You say you wanted De'aaron Fox but that is exactly what Kira's closest comp is. I agree that they need shooters, and getting shooters will actually help BI as much as it will Zion. BI has a very tough time getting to the rim because the paint is being packed at the moment. I actually think something that would help BI is going back to shooting more catch and shoot 3s rather than the dribble pullups.

How much more does Zion really need to be optimized? This is what I don't understand. He just scored 39 on 89% shooting and you need him to be optimized more? I thought the major problem tonight was obviously an off-night by BI, but also the fact that Adams and Bledsoe played so many minutes. Hayes should've had more than 7 minutes but for some reason didn't.

I would like to see the young players develop. BI is going to be a positive asset. I want to hear what piece you think we could trade BI for that would make the current Pelicans team a contender.

I like Kira, but he is nowhere near the offensive threat that Fox is and never will be even at his absolute ceiling.

Completely agree on the catch and shoot threes from BI. He’s one of the best at midrange pull-ups but it’s actually not what the Pelicans need from him. They would be better off getting less versatile players that are better catch and release three point shooters (GTJ, Hield, Duncan Robinson etc) or that dynamic PG. Ingram could give you these pieces in a trade.

Yes, Zion should be optimized. The amount of FGAs he’s putting up on a nightly basis is a crime against the sport of basketball. He could be optimized by allowing him to put up as many shots as other superstars put up on a nightly basis. There is no reason he shouldn’t be averaging 30 PPG.

The only prayer teams have is to pack the paint to mitigate the damage. Defenses would get absolutely scorched cheating inside on him if he had real shooters to kick to on the perimeter. He’s unselfish by nature and kicks when he sees the double teams coming, but the problem is the recipient on the end of these kick outs.

And again, this same effect could be achieved with a pick and roll if the other part of the equation is a legitimate threat. Fox would be PERFECT. As Spaceman mentioned, I would love Fox and Hield for Ingram, but for the Pelicans, I would actually even take a straight up swap of Ingram for Fox.


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[pejc300]

How the heck are his Prizm PSA 10s still $600. I know there are thousands and thousands of them, but something does not seem right. This dude is on a TEAR.

[suknives]

Originally Posted by pejc300

How the heck are his Prizm PSA 10s still $600. I know there are thousands and thousands of them, but something does not seem right. This dude is on a TEAR.

somehow the most underpriced guy in the hobby

[Spacemanspif]

Originally Posted by pejc300

How the heck are his Prizm PSA 10s still $600. I know there are thousands and thousands of them, but something does not seem right. This dude is on a TEAR.

Because people are stubborn. It’s only been 3 months since the season started and there’s a TON of takes that haven’t aged well. But this is ‘Murica where nobody will ever admit they’re wrong. My YouTube feed is unfortunately littered with card related channels now, and most are still clinging to the “I just don’t know about him long term” thing. It’s fine, there’s still more stuff I’d like to pick up before it’s out of reach.

Luka holding steady well above $1k while Z hovers at $600 is indeed wild. POP isn’t even a factor because at last check they were dead even. One possible factor with the Bass 10 prices is possibly the effect of market saturation from other products. Zion has thousands of extra cards on the market from Mosaic and HPS being pulled out of thin air, along with Panini Black, One & One, and your general YOY increases. I’m trying to stick to stuff like autos and silvers and Hobby only products, but it’s really expensive.

[regularp]

Originally Posted by Akphillips86

It’s a chemistry issue.

Many, like myself, are frustrated because they see the generational ability of Zion being somewhat squandered by poor fitting pieces.

BI is a great player, but he’s not the best sidekick for Zion. Half the problem is he doesn’t realize that he’s the sidekick.

Pels need shooters or a PG who is a legitimate offensive threat that runs the pick and roll with Z. Ingram is the only asset that is able to give NO pieces that could actually put them in contention.

I hope their youth pans out, and I actually like Lonzo as a complementary piece, but they really should see what they are able to obtain for BI. Their current configuration simply isn’t optimizing the biggest offensive weapon they have.


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When I fiddle around with trade machines, the only logical trade I can come up with is some type of Ingram for CJ McCollum swap. Lonzo would be a perfect backcourt mate for him too. Just need to unload Bledsoe and try to find a SF.

[Akphillips86]

Don’t look now, Zion has entered the top 10 in scoring.

Here’s a little statistical glimpse at our boy after last night’s performance:

8th in PPG, 3rd in PER, shooting 62.7 percent from the field....

And 40th in FGA, that’s right 40th. 39 players in the NBA shoot more than this guy.


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[brock]

Originally Posted by Akphillips86

Don’t look now, Zion has entered the top 10 in scoring.

Here’s a little statistical glimpse at our boy after last night’s performance:

8th in PPG, 3rd in PER, shooting 62.7 percent from the field....

And 40th in FGA, that’s right 40th. 39 players in the NBA shoot more than this guy.


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Please delete this post while I buy more criminally undervalued Z


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[blackandgold]

Originally Posted by Akphillips86

I like Kira, but he is nowhere near the offensive threat that Fox is and never will be even at his absolute ceiling.

Completely agree on the catch and shoot threes from BI. He’s one of the best at midrange pull-ups but it’s actually not what the Pelicans need from him. They would be better off getting less versatile players that are better catch and release three point shooters (GTJ, Hield, Duncan Robinson etc) or that dynamic PG. Ingram could give you these pieces in a trade.

Yes, Zion should be optimized. The amount of FGAs he’s putting up on a nightly basis is a crime against the sport of basketball. He could be optimized by allowing him to put up as many shots as other superstars put up on a nightly basis. There is no reason he shouldn’t be averaging 30 PPG.

The only prayer teams have is to pack the paint to mitigate the damage. Defenses would get absolutely scorched cheating inside on him if he had real shooters to kick to on the perimeter. He’s unselfish by nature and kicks when he sees the double teams coming, but the problem is the recipient on the end of these kick outs.

And again, this same effect could be achieved with a pick and roll if the other part of the equation is a legitimate threat. Fox would be PERFECT. As Spaceman mentioned, I would love Fox and Hield for Ingram, but for the Pelicans, I would actually even take a straight up swap of Ingram for Fox.


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I can somewhat sympathize with your wanting to move Ingram but that will never happen Just like WhoDat said you all have to be patient They will eventually find the right pieces to surround Zion with buts it’s not going to happen overnight They have a young good core already. It’s really not gonna take much more to help this team

[mcgee2134]

Originally Posted by Akphillips86

Don’t look now, Zion has entered the top 10 in scoring.

Here’s a little statistical glimpse at our boy after last night’s performance:

8th in PPG, 3rd in PER, shooting 62.7 percent from the field....

And 40th in FGA, that’s right 40th. 39 players in the NBA shoot more than this guy.


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By the end of the year he will probably be 2nd in PER, though he won't catch Jokic.

2nd in the entire league!
How is there not more hype around this guy?

[suknives]

he’s still 4th unless we aren’t counting Embiid for missing 10 games so far, either way, the 3 guys above him are all MVP candidates so....

[Bob Ross]

I've seen a lot of bums play in the NBA and Ingram is a bum.

[PSA2Pac]

Picked up a sneaky/under-the-radar/low-budget banger "fordalow"

Zion Chronicles Essentials Purple 1/49
Jersey # and even has the jersey color match since hes wearing the purple/green/yellow NOLA jersey lol

[Spacemanspif]

Originally Posted by Bob Ross

I've seen a lot of bums play in the NBA and Ingram is a bum.

He’s not a bum, but I definitely don’t see him or Lonzo as winners, or leaders of winning teams. I think he’s ultimately destined to be a good stats / bad team guy, if he maintains this position of wanting to be the alpha. If he realizes that he’s the Robin, focuses more of his energy on defense and feeding Zion, he could be the perfect complementary guy (also needs to gain 15 pounds and get to the line more)

[armoursave]

Yeah they need to move Ingram. I’m sure he’ll immediately become a perennial All-star a’ la Orange Julius Randle. Ugh.

[Ra3]

Originally Posted by Spacemanspif

He’s not a bum, but I definitely don’t see him or Lonzo as winners, or leaders of winning teams. I think he’s ultimately destined to be a good stats / bad team guy, if he maintains this position of wanting to be the alpha. If he realizes that he’s the Robin, focuses more of his energy on defense and feeding Zion, he could be the perfect complementary guy (also needs to gain 15 pounds and get to the line more)

It’s kinda strange because it seems like the pelicans having to deal with this dual alpha issue is an obvious one (and its clearly discussed ad nauseam on these boards), but I haven’t really seen ingram or Zion asked about it directly very much in interviews or news profiles.

I know ingram said something stupid along the lines of never having played alongside a player “as talented as myself” which is definitely an indicator of his inflated viewpoint of his own abilities vs. Zion’s, but the press saw that more as a lebron diss.

Anyone seen the players themselves address the on-court/off-court or locker room dynamics between Zion and Ingram?

[MattMiller]

Just a hunch, I think zion will be pretty good. Not sure and going out on a limb on this one

The key for zion, hands down was his upbringing and work ethic, if he stays true he could someday be the GOAT. Reminds me alot like David Robinson, just a great guy.

[imbluestreak23]

Yeah, Zion is a must buy right now

[ninjacookies]

With the recent card market explosion, his current prices make him my top priority.

There is absolutely no way (barring injury, which applies to any young prospect) he is not going to be a future first ballot hall of famer. We're seeing why he was a generational touted prospect. You simply cannot teach/coach the gifts that he has.

[MattMiller]

Totally agree, I have have bought much over last few months. Would be perfect if he could drop 15lbs or so and keep adding lean muscle. When I look at shaq in 92 he was a huge stick in a few years really threw the muscle on. Zion has muscle but needs to drop a few.

[KhalDrogo]

Expect a career night with no Luka or KP.

[greg8731]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Expect a career night with no Luka or KP.

Eh I'd expect more of a blowout with him sitting a good portion of the second half

[Spartyon]

Originally Posted by greg8731

Eh I'd expect more of a blowout with him sitting a good portion of the second half

Same unfortunately, especially on the second night of back to backs where he logged 39 minutes the first night


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